Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:54:59PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
From: Agustin Martin Domingo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:39 +0200
I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I think they
would also like to know about this and will have a much better knowledge
than I have about how possible it is and the incompatibilities that
might arise.
Even in the latest teTeX 2.0.2, there are settings in texmf.cnf
as follows;
TEXINPUTS.latex = .;$TEXMF/tex/{latex,generic,}//
TEXINPUTS.latex209 = .;$TEXMF/tex/{latex209,generic,latex,}//
that is, there is basically no problem to provide latex209
macros under $TEXMF/tex/latex209 if the command was called
latex209.
I believe that the LaTeX team would be very unhappy to have a latex209
package around. They're already working towards LaTeX 3, and LaTeX 2e
has been the standard now for several years already. The latex209
macros are, of course, available on CTAN for anyone who really needs
them.
Julian
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Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
Atsuhito Kohda writes:
From: Agustin Martin Domingo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:39 +0200
I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I think they
would also like to know about this and will have a much better knowledge
than I have about how possible it is and the incompatibilities that
might arise.
Even in the latest teTeX 2.0.2, there are settings in texmf.cnf
as follows;
TEXINPUTS.latex = .;$TEXMF/tex/{latex,generic,}//
TEXINPUTS.latex209 = .;$TEXMF/tex/{latex209,generic,latex,}//
that is, there is basically no problem to provide latex209
macros under $TEXMF/tex/latex209 if the command was called
latex209.
Yes. The main requirement for this to work well is that the latex209
installation be sufficiently complete, so that latex209 styles files
will always be found in preference to (possibly incompatible) latex2e
style files. CTAN is a good place to get the distribution files.
But also note that historically, there has been little agreement on
what should be in a LaTeX 2.09 setup beyond Lamport's core. One of
the results was that setups ended up being incompatible with each
other, even though they contained style files with same names.
Incompatible meaning one or both of my document cannot be typeset
here or my document is typeset in a completely different way here.
So some finetuning will be required.
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Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
From: Agustin Martin Domingo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:39 +0200
I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I think they
would also like to know about this and will have a much better knowledge
than I have about how possible it is and the incompatibilities that
might arise.
Even in the latest teTeX 2.0.2, there are settings in texmf.cnf
as follows;
TEXINPUTS.latex = .;$TEXMF/tex/{latex,generic,}//
TEXINPUTS.latex209 = .;$TEXMF/tex/{latex209,generic,latex,}//
that is, there is basically no problem to provide latex209
macros under $TEXMF/tex/latex209 if the command was called
latex209.
Thanks, 2003-5-19(Mon)
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Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
TSUCHIYA Masatoshi wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2003 10:08:37 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fielder George Dowding) said as follows:
I use LaTeX2e and friends (almost daily).
I know that LaTeX-2.09 is obsolete, however I need it to process
ancient TeX sources without modification.
If your documents starts with a '\documentstyle{your_style}' call
instead of a '\documentclass' one the 209 compatibility mode should
automatically be activated. What kind of problems are you experiencing?
Cheers,
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Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
On Fri, 16 May 2003 12:55:54 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Agustin Martin Domingo) said as follows:
If your documents starts with a '\documentstyle{your_style}' call
instead of a '\documentclass' one the 209 compatibility mode should
automatically be activated. What kind of problems are you
experiencing?
It is true that the 2.09 compatibility mode works finely in almost
cases. However, LaTeX-2.09 itself still be needed for style files
that use internal macros of LaTeX-2.09. The style file of my
bachelor's thesis is an example of such style files, and there are a
fair number of sources that use it. When one of them is processed in
the 2.09 compatibility mode, the following message is printed.
! Undefined control sequence.
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Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
TSUCHIYA Masatoshi wrote: It is true that the 2.09 compatibility mode works finely in almost cases. However, LaTeX-2.09 itself still be needed for style files that use internal macros of LaTeX-2.09. The style file of my bachelor's thesis is an example of such style files, and there are a fair number of sources that use it. When one of them is processed in the 2.09 compatibility mode, the following message is printed. ! Undefined control sequence. I see. I do not know how complex is that style file, but I guess that the amount of work you will need to make the 209 latex package properly install and work in a reasonable way without breaking latex2e behavior and without being broken by latex2e compatible style files (not only the base files, but other style files too that have replaced the old files having the same name but being now written for latex2e) is really high and might be broken by changes in tetex files that are being rewritten to be latex2e aware. Unless that style file is a nightmare I would really consider its rewriting rather than preparing a package with the obsolete latex209 stuff if the above possible problems cannot be clearly managed. I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I think they would also like to know about this and will have a much better knowledge than I have about how possible it is and the incompatibilities that might arise. Cheers, -- Agustin
Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
On Thu, 15 May 2003 10:08:37 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fielder George Dowding) said as follows: I use LaTeX2e and friends (almost daily). I know that LaTeX-2.09 is obsolete, however I need it to process ancient TeX sources without modification. Perhaps I could lend a hand here if you would contact me directly with a URL to where I could find the style file. I do only English, so I may not be of much help. Thank you for your kindness. If I had few ancient TeX sources, I would try to modify them for LaTeX2e. Actually, there are so many sources written by graduates that I can not modify all of them. Regards, -- TSUCHIYA Masatoshi
