Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[Manoj Srivastava]

On 01 Sep 2003 12:22:48 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 04:33:22PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
>> wrote:
>> > Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > > Hello.
>> > >
>> > > Last October, I announced a group subscription to lwn.net for
>> > > Debian developers, sponsored by HP.  I've recently received
>> > > numerous queries about whether this "deal" was still available,
>> > > and/or whether HP intended to continue sponsoring the
>> > > subscription.
>> > >
>> > > The answer to both questions is yes!
>> >
>> > What about NMs?
>>
>> Wait until you can drop the N, I guess.

> So I can have a LWN subscription in another 5 years or 10?

You can pay the subscription and get one immediately, I should
 think. 

manoj
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Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[Branden Robinson]

On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 10:42:51AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> > Bdale> ... I announced a group subscription to lwn.net for Debian
> > Bdale> developers, sponsored by HP...
> > 
> > Debian may be seen as supporting non-disclosure conditions /
> > protected proprietary information / trade secrets / etc. whatever.
> 
> You should be killfiled for life for that one if you are being serious.

Damn, and people say *I'm* harsh.  :)

I sometimes think that I, as an atheist, take the concept of redemption
more seriously than many Christians I've met.

If we don't expect Mr. Jacobson to improve, he has less incentive to do
so.

-- 
G. Branden Robinson|
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Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:22:48PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 04:33:22PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > > What about NMs?
> > 
> > Wait until you can drop the N, I guess.
> 
> So I can have a LWN subscription in another 5 years or 10?

You can have one now, if you pay for it. One cannot honestly expect HP
to pay for everyone who's on the NM queue; a line has to be drawn
_somewhere_. If you're at the wrong side of it, tough.

> But lets not start another NM queue is stuck flame.

Please.

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"So is my neck, stop it anyway!"
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Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Bdale> ... I announced a group subscription to lwn.net for Debian
> Bdale> developers, sponsored by HP...
> 
> Debian may be seen as supporting non-disclosure conditions /
> protected proprietary information / trade secrets / etc. whatever.

You should be killfiled for life for that one if you are being serious.

Look, we all appreciate people who like Debian so much to be this energetic
about it as you are, but you really, really, really need to learn to think
things out quite a bit before writing them.  Especially when reporting bugs,
I should add.

Or, are you per chance, doing all this "just to be funny"?

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[Goswin von Brederlow]

Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 04:33:22PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Hello.
> > > 
> > > Last October, I announced a group subscription to lwn.net for Debian 
> > > developers, sponsored by HP.  I've recently received numerous queries 
> > > about whether this "deal" was still available, and/or whether HP intended
> > > to continue sponsoring the subscription.  
> > > 
> > > The answer to both questions is yes!
> > 
> > What about NMs?
> 
> Wait until you can drop the N, I guess.

So I can have a LWN subscription in another 5 years or 10?

But lets not start another NM queue is stuck flame.

MfG
Goswin

Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 04:33:22PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hello.
> > 
> > Last October, I announced a group subscription to lwn.net for Debian 
> > developers, sponsored by HP.  I've recently received numerous queries 
> > about whether this "deal" was still available, and/or whether HP intended
> > to continue sponsoring the subscription.  
> > 
> > The answer to both questions is yes!
> 
> What about NMs?

Wait until you can drop the N, I guess.

-- 
Wouter Verhelst
Debian GNU/Linux -- http://www.debian.org
Nederlandstalige Linux-documentatie -- http://nl.linux.org
"Stop breathing down my neck." "My breathing is merely a simulation."
"So is my neck, stop it anyway!"
  -- Voyager's EMH versus the Prometheus' EMH, stardate 51462.

Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[Goswin von Brederlow]

Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello.
> 
> Last October, I announced a group subscription to lwn.net for Debian 
> developers, sponsored by HP.  I've recently received numerous queries 
> about whether this "deal" was still available, and/or whether HP intended
> to continue sponsoring the subscription.  
> 
> The answer to both questions is yes!

What about NMs?

MfG
Goswin

Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[Lukas Geyer]

Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Bdale> ... I announced a group subscription to lwn.net for Debian
> Bdale> developers, sponsored by HP...
> 
> Debian may be seen as supporting non-disclosure conditions /
> protected proprietary information / trade secrets / etc. whatever.

What are you smoking? lwn.net makes articles available after one week,
they are only trying to get some money from subscriptions. I don't see
any relations to trade secrets and non-disclosure agreements, except
if you see all subscription-based services that way. But that would
also apply to people subscribing to newspapers, using the local
library (certain services only available for residents in public
libraries or university affiliates for academic libraries...) and tons
of other stuff.

> Bdale> If you are a Debian developer and want full LWN access, go to
> Bdale> lwn.net and create an account for yourself (no money is
> Bdale> required...
> 
> But the Debian developer cannot disclose the information seen with non
> Debian developers.

I don't think that is true. We cannot set up mirror sites, sure, but
if I share this information with some friends, I don't see how this
would violate anything.

Lukas

P.S.: I still would prefer lwn.net to be free. In fact, I would prefer
to get my NY Times without paying for it, but unfortunately my wishes
do not always come true...

Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[David B Harris]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:42:06 +0800
Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bdale> ... I announced a group subscription to lwn.net for Debian
> Bdale> developers, sponsored by HP...
> 
> Debian may be seen as supporting non-disclosure conditions /
> protected proprietary information / trade secrets / etc. whatever.
> 
> Bdale> If you are a Debian developer and want full LWN access, go to
> Bdale> lwn.net and create an account for yourself (no money is
> Bdale> required...
> 
> But the Debian developer cannot disclose the information seen with non
> Debian developers.

Jealous? :)


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Re: LWN subscription for Debian developers

[Dan Jacobson]

Bdale> ... I announced a group subscription to lwn.net for Debian
Bdale> developers, sponsored by HP...

Debian may be seen as supporting non-disclosure conditions /
protected proprietary information / trade secrets / etc. whatever.

Bdale> If you are a Debian developer and want full LWN access, go to
Bdale> lwn.net and create an account for yourself (no money is
Bdale> required...

But the Debian developer cannot disclose the information seen with non
Debian developers.