Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 08:51:59PM +0200, Karsten Tinnefeld wrote: I hope this isn't necessary. (you can disable this in bash, but then some other stuff (legitimate control chars) breaks, and since I only type umlauts on the command-line very occasionally, it wasn't worth the effort to fix) right, sorry, there was some resource I forgot to mention. This is my ~/.inputrc, which is read by libreadline. Please see bash(1) for the meaning, where you cannot tell from the name. Important in this context are obviously lines 3--5. ... For Spanish speakers (like me), there's a task-spanish package, which installs (between others) a castellanizar program, which modify the global shell rc's for supporting ñáéíóúäëïöü... on any program, including the shell command line. Is there something like that for German users? If not, wouldn't be a good idea package it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
Hi, From: Ricardo Javier Cardenes Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:17:04 +0100 For Spanish speakers (like me), there's a task-spanish package, which installs (between others) a castellanizar program, which modify the global shell rc's for supporting ???... on any program, including the shell command line. Is there something like that for German users? If not, wouldn't be a good idea package it? There is 'language-env' package for German, Spanish, Japanese, Russian, and Thai (for Woody). # I would like to support more languages. --- Tomohiro KUBOTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://surfchem0.riken.go.jp/~kubota/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
Ricardo Javier Cardenes Medina wrote: ... For Spanish speakers (like me), there's a task-spanish package, which installs (between others) a castellanizar program, which modify the global shell rc's for supporting ñáéíóúäëïöü... on any program, including the shell command line. There is also a user-es package that helps for that. This package is inspired in the user-de package for german users, which I think will be of help for the author of the original message. -- = Agustín Martín Domingo, Dpto. de Física, ETS Arquitectura Madrid, (U. Politécnica de Madrid) tel: +34 91-336-6536, Fax: +34 91-336-6554, email:[EMAIL PROTECTED], http://corbu.aq.upm.es/~agmartin/welcome.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
6.09.2000 pisze Tomohiro KUBOTA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): There is 'language-env' package for German, Spanish, Japanese, Russian, and Thai (for Woody). Maybe we need some more general way to define default system localization (giving the users a possibility to change this default is very good, but I think we need a standardized way to change the defaults -- which I don't see) best regards, Jubal -- [ Miros/law L Baran, baran-at-knm-org-pl, neg IQ, cert AI ] [ 0101010 is ] [ BOF2510053411, makabra.knm.org.pl/~baran/, alchemy pany ] [ The Answer ] Expect the worst, it's the least you can do. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
While we are at it, there are two bugs against base-files (#56275 and #62475) and boot-floppies (#67913) regarding german umlauts. * It's true that bash (and readline-based programs) rejects german umlauts? * Does it happen even under a locale such as de_DE? * If the answer is yes, does set convert-meta off in /etc/inputrc definitely solves this problem? * Are there undesired side effects? (Bug #56275 has a detailed explanation about how to solve the undesired effects. Can we solve them all?). * If set convert-meta off in /etc/inputrc is not the best solution, which is? I'm not a guru on input methods, so I will appreciate any help on this. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
Hi,
From: Miros/law `Jubal' Baran [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:28:51 +0200
6.09.2000 pisze Tomohiro KUBOTA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
There is 'language-env' package for German, Spanish, Japanese, Russian,
and Thai (for Woody).
Maybe we need some more general way to define default system localization
(giving the users a possibility to change this default is very good,
but I think we need a standardized way to change the defaults -- which
I don't see)
Yes, I can imagine that 'language-env' will be a part of installer
and the user is asked to choose mother tongue. The settings can be
machine-wide (in /etc directory) or user-specific (by dot-files).
The point is, I think, the way of setting should be extremely extensible.
Database for LANG variable, console font, keymap, X font, and so on
is not sufficient. For example, Linux console cannot display
multibyte characters. Xterm and most of X terminal emulators
also cannot. Thus my .bashrc has
if [ $TERM = linux -o ${TERM%-*} = xterm ]
then
export LANG=C
else
export LANG=ja_JP.ujis
fi
This is written by 'language-env'. And more, what software is popular
is different from country to country. For example, 'language-env'
Japanese setting has very complecated Emacs setting because Emacs
is one of a few Japanese-enabled editor and very popular in Japan.
There are many softwares which need special settings (For example,
many softwares such as Window Maker have 'multibyte' configuration
item which has to be enabled for multibyte languages). Since we can
hardly have settings for all languages and all softwares, we have to
select some of softwares.
And more, softwares to be localized have to be configurable by
/etc files. Canna, one of Japanese input methods, cannot.
At last, required settings are very different from country to
country. For German, settings so as to display umlaut characters
on console are required, while, for Japanese, settings for
localized softwares to deny localization on console environment
is required. Font setting for Xterm is needed for Polish while
invoking Hanterm instead of Xterm is needed for Korean. Settings
and invocation of ne of input conversion servers is needed for
Japanese. I don't know what special settings are needed for
right-to-left languages such as Hebrew and Arab. Though Mule is
the only software which I know can handle right-to-left languages,
is it appropriate to set EDITOR=mule ?
Thus it is difficult to have a *smart* way of language configuration.
'language-env' is what I think is best for current Debian system.
I think it evolve with the development of internationalization of
Linux and Debian.
However, I will be happy my 'language-env' would be a skelton for
internationalization of Debian installer...
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http://surfchem0.riken.go.jp/~kubota/
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Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Florian Hinzmann wrote: When typing german umlauts my system behaves inconsistent: In most X programs they appear fine (i.e. Netscape, several mail clients, XEmacs, ..) When typing in xterm|gnome-terminal windows they don't appear. Some chars do beep, but none of the umlauts appear. AFAIK this is due to the application that receives the characters. Xterms pass all characters unmodified; some programs (ae, ee, pico, lynx) basically don't check for valid characters, but other programs (bash) do check and reject weird things that you're not supposed to enter. Other full-screen programs may use these chars for other purposes, mostly keyboard shortcuts. But they do this by looking directly at the keyboard; cut'n'paste from a non- checking editor usually works fine. So the real problem seems to be in the individual applications that were written by people with little knowledge of foreign languages ;-) (BTW, it seems an underdocumented X feature that you can use things like Win-K on Any Keyboard[tm] to get an euml; (eh, pine beeps while pico doesn't...)) Regards, Anne Bezemer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
When typing german umlauts my system behaves inconsistent: When typing in xterm|gnome-terminal windows they don't appear. Some chars do beep, but none of the umlauts appear. The following code in your .bashrc should cure this, see stty(1): if tty -s then stty pass8 fi You should also select a display font with iso-8859-1 or -15 encoding. (BTW, it seems an underdocumented X feature that you can use things like Win-K on Any Keyboard[tm] to get an euml; (eh, pine beeps while pico doesn't...)) Don't think so. This is language dependent. Take a look through `xmodmap -pke` for a feeling of what wonderful [EMAIL PROTECTED] stuff you can produce. Karsten -- Karsten Tinnefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fachbereich Informatik, Lehrstuhl 2 T +49 231 755-4737 Universität Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund, Deutschland F +49 231 755-2047 pgp2DPAVvvztf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
5.09.2000 pisze Florian Hinzmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [symptomata snipped] Let me ask you one question: how did you set the `locale' variables (LANG, LC_MESSAGES, LC_CTYPE and another LC_* companions)? I can type umlauts without any problems, under console and X (having pl_PL locale set, which means ISO-8859-2): . This is X. . . This is console. best regards, Jubal -- [ Miros/law L Baran, baran-at-knm-org-pl, neg IQ, cert AI ] [ 0101010 is ] [ BOF2510053411, makabra.knm.org.pl/~baran/, alchemy pany ] [ The Answer ] Death is just nature's way of telling you to slow down. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 08:00:12PM +0200, Miros/law `Jubal' Baran [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: 5.09.2000 pisze Florian Hinzmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [symptomata snipped] Let me ask you one question: how did you set the `locale' variables (LANG, LC_MESSAGES, LC_CTYPE and another LC_* companions)? I can type umlauts without any problems, under console and X (having pl_PL locale set, which means ISO-8859-2): üöäÜÖÄß. This is X. Üöä. ßüÖÄ. This is console. I hope this isn't necessary. I'm a native English speaker, and I'd probably be a bit disoriented if all my messages started coming out in German, but I do occasionally feel the need to type something that includes an umlaut. I'm sure I'm not alone, or indeed even one of the more frequent users of foreign character sets (eg: consider the cases of students taking a foreign language class, or people who carry on correspondance with acquaintences in other countries) Luckily, I've generally been able to type umlauts without too much difficulty, except that some programs (mostly ones using readline, like bash) insist on treating foreign characters as control characters and either beep in protest about unbound keys or do something highly unexpected. (you can disable this in bash, but then some other stuff (legitimate control chars) breaks, and since I only type umlauts on the command-line very occasionally, it wasn't worth the effort to fix) Daniel -- /- Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] -\ | f u cn rd ths, | You see, I've already stolen the spork of wisdom| | u cn gt a jb s | and the spork of courage.. together with the spork | | a cmptr prgrmr. | of power, they form the mighty...TRI-SPORK! -- Fluble | \ News without the $$ -- National Public Radio -- http://www.npr.org / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
I hope this isn't necessary. (you can disable this in bash, but then some other stuff (legitimate control chars) breaks, and since I only type umlauts on the command-line very occasionally, it wasn't worth the effort to fix) right, sorry, there was some resource I forgot to mention. This is my ~/.inputrc, which is read by libreadline. Please see bash(1) for the meaning, where you cannot tell from the name. Important in this context are obviously lines 3--5. set bell-style visible set expand-tilde on set convert-meta off set input-meta on set output-meta on set show-all-if-ambiguous on set visible-stats on Karsten -- Karsten Tinnefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fachbereich Informatik, Lehrstuhl 2 T +49 231 755-4737 Universität Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund, Deutschland F +49 231 755-2047 pgpwIqDBhcCQA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
Florian Hinzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to fix an old problem with my Debian system (woody) today, but failed. An old problem with a quite old answer: German-HOWTO You'll find this in doc-linux-text and doc-linux-html packages. Tscho Roland -- * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.spinnaker.de/ * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
