Re: Not to get off on a rant here.....
Franklin Belew wrote: People seem to be too caught up in other people's freedom to help us create the best distro with the least problems. Example: /usr/doc - /usr/share/doc transition voted to be held because potato was supposed to freeze back in november. Freeze got delayed, and 4+ months later, no one has taken this transition seriously. I am to assume that all debian developers are mature individuals who understand the concept of deadlines, yet giving this much slack only causes the releases to be later and later. No Frank. We made a decision which included a transition plan[1]. That transition plan intentionally spanned multiple debian releases: - In potato, /usr/doc is still going to be used, and anything using /usr/share/doc must include a /usr/doc symlink. - In woody, /usr/share/doc will be used, and all packages will be updated to use it. Packages will still provide /usr/doc links for backwards compatability. - In woody+1, the /usr/doc symlinks may be removed. Given that this transition is expected to span 3 releases, no, we arn't being laggards about transitioning to /usr/share/doc/ right this instant. The timeslines of the individual releases are orthagonal to this transition. -- see shy jo [1] http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-ctte-9908/msg00038.html
Re: Not to get off on a rant here.....
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 11:10:34AM -0800, Chip Salzenberg wrote: Oh, you're entirely right. People _are_ too tied up in 'freedom' to focus on the software. But that's because, as a body, the Debian project is all about freedom, as _expressed_ in software (and other things, too). You want pragmatism? Work with FreeBSD. No flame, no smiley. Chip, how did it come to be that you are so cool and Tom Christiansen so...isn't? :) (No, I'm not being sarcastic.) -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |If God had intended for man to go about [EMAIL PROTECTED] |naked, we would have been born that way. roger.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgpVeO00agtKA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Not to get off on a rant here.....
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Joey Hess wrote: - In woody, /usr/share/doc will be used, and all packages will be updated to use it. Packages will still provide /usr/doc links for backwards compatability. Please note that the current policy documents do not talk about woody, they just talk about using symlinks during the transition. We may well drop the symlinks in woody if we decide to do so. After all, we agree that we will tell our users to look in /usr/share/doc, so the symlinks will not be needed anymore in woody. Thanks. -- bcfbd31b1445b182af15f6aa534a2102 (a truly random sig)
Re: Not to get off on a rant here.....
Santiago Vila wrote: Please note that the current policy documents do not talk about woody, they just talk about using symlinks during the transition. We may well drop the symlinks in woody if we decide to do so. After all, we agree that we will tell our users to look in /usr/share/doc, so the symlinks will not be needed anymore in woody. You may have noticed a link at the end of my email. That was a link to the transition plan that I belive the tech committee accepted. -- see shy jo
Re: Not to get off on a rant here.....
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Joey Hess wrote: Santiago Vila wrote: Please note that the current policy documents do not talk about woody, they just talk about using symlinks during the transition. We may well drop the symlinks in woody if we decide to do so. After all, we agree that we will tell our users to look in /usr/share/doc, so the symlinks will not be needed anymore in woody. You may have noticed a link at the end of my email. That was a link to the transition plan that I belive the tech committee accepted. You are right, sorry, I did not noticed the link. But this does not change the fact that this has not been made policy. Policy just talks about using symlinks during the transition phase. Thanks. -- 5cf5908bfd875a14c3e7043c4765a80b (a truly random sig)
Re: Not to get off on a rant here.....
Santiago Vila wrote: But this does not change the fact that this has not been made policy. Policy just talks about using symlinks during the transition phase. That was intentional, it was decided that mentioning release names in policy and making the document contingent upon which release we were working on was confusing or otherwise bad somehow (I forget). -- see shy jo
Re: Not to get off on a rant here.....
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chip, how did it come to be that you are so cool and Tom Christiansen so...isn't? :) Isn't it obvious? Doses of MST3K that would make a normal man into a pile of quivering jelly. :-) Mike.
Re: Not to get off on a rant here.....
According to Franklin Belew: Hi, you may know me from such irc channels as #debian and #debian-devel as Myth. I'm Troy McClure! Er, no, that's not right. These may sound like the disgruntled ramblings of a frustrated wannabe developer, but I hope you can see where I am coming from. Oh, you're entirely right. People _are_ too tied up in 'freedom' to focus on the software. But that's because, as a body, the Debian project is all about freedom, as _expressed_ in software (and other things, too). You want pragmatism? Work with FreeBSD. No flame, no smiley. -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wanted to play hopscotch with the impenetrable mystery of existence, but he stepped in a wormhole and had to go in early. // MST3K
