Re: Pick a name, any name...
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 08:56:37AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: Nobody should be checking forward == reverse(forward), it is reverse == forward(reverse) that is important. s/is important/was important/ Mike Stone
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Stephen Zander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The fact that forwrd DNS != reverse DNS. That is, the PTR record
Nobody should be checking forward == reverse(forward), it is
reverse == forward(reverse) that is important.
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> "Georg" == Georg Lehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> ... What would be wrong with multiple A records in this Georg> case? The fact that forwrd DNS != reverse DNS. That is, the PTR record won't necessarily match the name that produced the A record. While not broken, it can have consequences for systems trying to avoid MITM attacks. -- Stephen To Republicans, limited government means not assisting people they would sooner see shoveled into mass graves. -- Kenneth R. Kahn
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Hello! El vie, 29-11-2002 a las 16:38, Joel Baker escribió: ... > And, by the way, that *is* one of the uses of a CNAME. To allow things such > as service names (www, ftp, etc) to point to a single IP, which might have > one of those names, or something else, as it's formal name. ... What would be wrong with multiple A records in this case? Regars, Jorge-León P.S.: feel free to reply off-list, that is not about debian-devel.
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:11:34PM -0800, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > because with a A record one lookup -> IP address(es) > with a CNAME one lookup -> another lookup -> IP address(es) > > CNAME cause you to at least DOUBLE the DNS lookups, DOUBLING the > potential timeouts, DOUBLING dns load Not necessarily. It depends a bit on the intelligence of the DNS server and the client. A DNS response has an "additional section" for stuff like this. If you so a "dig net. ns" you will see that not only are you provided with a list of nameservers in the answer section, but also all their IP addresses in the additional section. Thus avoiding the second lookup. The same trick can be applied to CNAMEs. It also applies to MX records (which may only specify the name of a server, not IP address). Try: dig freshmeat.net. mx dig www.freshmeat.net for more examples. > can you do it? certainly. should you be aware of the effects WHEN you do > it? yes. you may break the rules only after you understand the rules. There is no rule. The designers of DNS thought of this and solved it. -- Martijn van Oosterhout http://svana.org/kleptog/ > Support bacteria! They're the only culture some people have. pgp0Kn4pZrzUN.pgp Description: PGP signature
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"John H. Robinson, IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > because with a A record one lookup -> IP address(es) > with a CNAME one lookup -> another lookup -> IP address(es) > > CNAME cause you to at least DOUBLE the DNS lookups, DOUBLING the > potential timeouts, DOUBLING dns load > > can you do it? certainly. should you be aware of the effects WHEN you do > it? yes. you may break the rules only after you understand the rules. There is no rule that CNAME records are only for non-local pointers. Yes, a CNAME does additional lookups. DNS traffic to leaf servers is an insignificant piece of total traffic. > > DNS entries are cached and don't cause that much traffic. > > the second and subsequent times, yes. not the first time. A local CNAME doesn't do double traffic. Suppose I have a CNAME for www.bar.baz -> fletch.bar.baz. Looking up an A record in this domain will require: query for baz. query for bar.baz. query for fletch.bar.baz. Looking up the CNAME is only 33% more traffic, not "at least double": query for baz. query for bar.baz. query for www.bar.baz. query for fletch.bar.baz.
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 07:39:02PM -0800, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > Ben Armstrong wrote: > > > Bah, that's what CNAME is for. > > that is _NOT_ what a CNAME is for. a CNAME is for when the hostname is > in a domain that is OUTSIDE of your control. > > ie: evil.debian.org -> www.msn.com = CNAME (we don't control the msn.com > domain) > forge.debian.org -> quantz.debian.org = A (we control the debian.org > domain, so we can save the internet by REDUCING THE NUMBER OF > UNNECESSARY DNS LOOKUPS AND REDUCE THE END USERS DELAY WITH DNS LOOKUP > REQUIREMENTS) > > isn't this a FAQ somewhere? > > -john Except that every major implementation of the DNS protocol in the past ten years or so has generated a reply that had the A record the CNAME points to, if it was also authoritative for that record (which, generally, is the case if it's an in-domain indirection). And, by the way, that *is* one of the uses of a CNAME. To allow things such as service names (www, ftp, etc) to point to a single IP, which might have one of those names, or something else, as it's formal name. -- *** Joel Baker System Administrator - lightbearer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.lightbearer.com/lucifer/ pgpzMoBwuSBiG.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Russell Coker wrote: > > > > that is _NOT_ what a CNAME is for. a CNAME is for when the hostname is > > in a domain that is OUTSIDE of your control. > > > > ie: evil.debian.org -> www.msn.com = CNAME (we don't control the msn.com > > domain) > > forge.debian.org -> quantz.debian.org = A (we control the debian.org > > domain, so we can save the internet by REDUCING THE NUMBER OF > > UNNECESSARY DNS LOOKUPS AND REDUCE THE END USERS DELAY WITH DNS LOOKUP > > REQUIREMENTS) > > How does that save the Internet? because with a A record one lookup -> IP address(es) with a CNAME one lookup -> another lookup -> IP address(es) CNAME cause you to at least DOUBLE the DNS lookups, DOUBLING the potential timeouts, DOUBLING dns load can you do it? certainly. should you be aware of the effects WHEN you do it? yes. you may break the rules only after you understand the rules. > DNS entries are cached and don't cause that much traffic. the second and subsequent times, yes. not the first time. > Having CNAME entries pointing to your own A records is OK, just as having > symbolic links pointing to your own files on the same file system is OK. except that a symlink does not impact networks (except in the case of NFS) -john
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"John H. Robinson, IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > > I like maintaining the idea of forge, so my proposal is VULCAN > > (from Roman mithology). > > i prefer greek: hephaistos I prefer Greek too, but that means spelling it in Greek. :)
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 02:25:28PM +0100, Peter Mathiasson wrote: > > > And there's already a Sibelius as a commercial software project; stay > > > away from things that could raise trademark issues that way. > > > > This isn't about our sourceforge fork package name, it's about the machine > > name. > > I thought it was about the service name, the machine already got one. > > Quoting Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "The machine itself has a name already (quantz)." Now that is a bit more tricky, since it's more exposed... dunno. Anyhow, nobody proposed sibelius, did they? :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 02:15:05PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > > And there's already a Sibelius as a commercial software project; stay > > away from things that could raise trademark issues that way. > > This isn't about our sourceforge fork package name, it's about the machine > name. I thought it was about the service name, the machine already got one. Quoting Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "The machine itself has a name already (quantz)." -- Peter Mathiasson, peter at mathiasson dot nu, http://www.mathiasson.nu GPG Fingerprint: A9A7 F8F6 9821 F415 B066 77F1 7FF5 C2E6 7BF2 F228 pgpDC3igqPJuN.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 09:44:17AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or > > > > Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. > > > > Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea to > > > > improve that line is welcome. Maybe just smith.debian.org would be > > > > enough (and I'll bet we can find a music composer named Smith if we > > > > look hard enough). > > > > > > Speaking of composers... how about Sibelius? Finnish composer, in honor of > > > Linus. :-) Or Debussy, if you're going for French names. > > > > We've got a debussy; it's an arm machine. > > And there's already a Sibelius as a commercial software project; stay > away from things that could raise trademark issues that way. This isn't about our sourceforge fork package name, it's about the machine name. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 09:44:17AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > And there's already a Sibelius as a commercial software project; stay > away from things that could raise trademark issues that way. I don't think the existence of a commercial product called Sibelius prevents us from naming our machines the same way - especially when the services those machines provide are generally accessed by other names anyway. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:58:12PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 07:07:45AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: > > > - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or > > > Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. > > > Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea to > > > improve that line is welcome. Maybe just smith.debian.org would be > > > enough (and I'll bet we can find a music composer named Smith if we > > > look hard enough). > > > > Speaking of composers... how about Sibelius? Finnish composer, in honor of > > Linus. :-) Or Debussy, if you're going for French names. > > We've got a debussy; it's an arm machine. And there's already a Sibelius as a commercial software project; stay away from things that could raise trademark issues that way. Will people *please* at least feed names to google and see if any conflicts come up in the first few hits? A repeat of the sawfish debacle would not be appreciated by anybody. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 04:39, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > Ben Armstrong wrote: > > Bah, that's what CNAME is for. > > that is _NOT_ what a CNAME is for. a CNAME is for when the hostname is > in a domain that is OUTSIDE of your control. > > ie: evil.debian.org -> www.msn.com = CNAME (we don't control the msn.com > domain) > forge.debian.org -> quantz.debian.org = A (we control the debian.org > domain, so we can save the internet by REDUCING THE NUMBER OF > UNNECESSARY DNS LOOKUPS AND REDUCE THE END USERS DELAY WITH DNS LOOKUP > REQUIREMENTS) How does that save the Internet? DNS entries are cached and don't cause that much traffic. Having CNAME entries pointing to your own A records is OK, just as having symbolic links pointing to your own files on the same file system is OK. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
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Raphael Hertzog wrote: Le Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 01:57:16PM +0100, Jérôme Marant écrivait: I hope it is for packaging activities and debian-related stuff only. Not really. It is for any free software related project launched by a Debian developer (ie the project request should come from a Debian developer). I hope it will be as reliable as SourceForge and Savannah in terms of MTBF and backups. Losing a packaging work is less critical than loosing an upstream one. Of course, any project hosted there should really have Debian packages from the very beginning. Sure. Cheers,
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Ben Armstrong wrote: > Bah, that's what CNAME is for. that is _NOT_ what a CNAME is for. a CNAME is for when the hostname is in a domain that is OUTSIDE of your control. ie: evil.debian.org -> www.msn.com = CNAME (we don't control the msn.com domain) forge.debian.org -> quantz.debian.org = A (we control the debian.org domain, so we can save the internet by REDUCING THE NUMBER OF UNNECESSARY DNS LOOKUPS AND REDUCE THE END USERS DELAY WITH DNS LOOKUP REQUIREMENTS) isn't this a FAQ somewhere? -john
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Le Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 01:57:16PM +0100, Jérôme Marant écrivait: > I hope it is for packaging activities and debian-related stuff only. Not really. It is for any free software related project launched by a Debian developer (ie the project request should come from a Debian developer). Of course, any project hosted there should really have Debian packages from the very beginning. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:54:04PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: > Oh, and by the way, it can't be quantz, since it won't have the same > IP address. IMHO we should go with a french composer (or whatever the scheme was) as the machine name, and something simple like 'sf' as the service name. Michael -- Comparing Neal to Jeroen is like comparing a demi-god to a fool.
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#include * Roland Mas [Wed, Nov 27 2002, 11:03:58AM]: > The code is almost ready, the server itself should be OK soon (if > not already), and Wichert and I even managed to find a time where both > of us can be on the same IRC network at the same time. > > Now for the *real* important debate: how to call it? Please make a name that is _short_. I thinkg sf.debian.org is self-explaining, since people are used to take it as abbreaviation for sourceforge (as sf.net). Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Eingedeutschte Fehlermeldungen sind doch etwas schoenes: "Kein Weltraum links auf dem Geraet"
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Ben Armstrong (2002-11-28 11:37:44 -0400) : > On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:34:45PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: >> Ben Armstrong (2002-11-28 11:14:50 -0400) : >> > Oh, I retract my objection then. If the machine has a name already, >> > why bother naming the service something obscure? Service names >> > should be easy to remember. >> >> Think "non-us" or "security" vs. "satie", "people" vs. "gluck", etc. > > "non-us", "security" and "people" are obscure? :) No. But they document a function rather than a box. Oh, and by the way, it can't be quantz, since it won't have the same IP address. Unless someone comes up with a patch to make the sourceforge-web-apache package work with apache2 in the next three hours, of course :-) Roland. -- Roland Mas Bee There Orr Bee A Rectangular Thyng! -- in Soul Music (Terry Pratchett)
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:34:45PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: > Ben Armstrong (2002-11-28 11:14:50 -0400) : > > Oh, I retract my objection then. If the machine has a name already, > > why bother naming the service something obscure? Service names > > should be easy to remember. > > Think "non-us" or "security" vs. "satie", "people" vs. "gluck", etc. "non-us", "security" and "people" are obscure? :) Ben -- nSLUG http://www.nslug.ns.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ pgp key fingerprint = 7F DA 09 4B BA 2C 0D E0 1B B1 31 ED C6 A9 39 4F ] [ gpg key fingerprint = 395C F3A4 35D3 D247 1387 2D9E 5A94 F3CA 0B27 13C8 ]
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Ben Armstrong (2002-11-28 11:14:50 -0400) : > On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:11:26PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: >> The machine itself has a name already (quantz). > > Oh, I retract my objection then. If the machine has a name already, > why bother naming the service something obscure? Service names > should be easy to remember. Think "non-us" or "security" vs. "satie", "people" vs. "gluck", etc. Roland. -- Roland Mas Two elephants fell off a cliff. Boom, boom.
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> The machine itself has a name already (quantz). yes :) but maybe it will be better to do some IN A records? In this way, ping cvs.sth.debian.org will ping cvs.sth.debian.org, not quantz.debian.org (I mean address which ping show). -- Mati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sounds like a Windows problem, try calling Microsoft support
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:11:26PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > The machine itself has a name already (quantz). Oh, I retract my objection then. If the machine has a name already, why bother naming the service something obscure? Service names should be easy to remember. Ben -- nSLUG http://www.nslug.ns.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ pgp key fingerprint = 7F DA 09 4B BA 2C 0D E0 1B B1 31 ED C6 A9 39 4F ] [ gpg key fingerprint = 395C F3A4 35D3 D247 1387 2D9E 5A94 F3CA 0B27 13C8 ]
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* Ben Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-28 10:49]: > Bah, that's what CNAME is for. We have www. cvs. etc. Sure, give > the system hosting the service a generic CNAME pointer, but a > system's canonical name itself has to have some character. The machine itself has a name already (quantz). -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 05:34:20PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > hey how about something much less cryptic like "forge". Nothing worse than > having to guess what woman's name some silly coder named the program I am > looking for. > > And since most of us aren't French the names mean very little. But that is > much less important. Bah, that's what CNAME is for. We have www. cvs. etc. Sure, give the system hosting the service a generic CNAME pointer, but a system's canonical name itself has to have some character. Ben -- nSLUG http://www.nslug.ns.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ pgp key fingerprint = 7F DA 09 4B BA 2C 0D E0 1B B1 31 ED C6 A9 39 4F ] [ gpg key fingerprint = 395C F3A4 35D3 D247 1387 2D9E 5A94 F3CA 0B27 13C8 ]
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Josip Rodin wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:54:52AM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: Why does Debian host the Sourceforge site? I don't see anything between sf.net and debian.org . You misunderstand. Debian will host _its_own_ sourforge-like environment, for developers. Not just for developers, for everyone else. At least that's what I gathered from the talk about separating existing (developer) user accounts from those created by the SF software. I hope it is for packaging activities and debian-related stuff only. Cheers,
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:54:52AM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > > Why does Debian host the Sourceforge site? I don't see anything > > between sf.net and debian.org . > > You misunderstand. Debian will host _its_own_ sourforge-like > environment, for developers. Not just for developers, for everyone else. At least that's what I gathered from the talk about separating existing (developer) user accounts from those created by the SF software. (I would also like to see this in action, but from the current perspective, if it's going to be like SF proper then I'm not too favourably inclined towards it... but then, we have all sorts of questionable stuff named *.debian.org ;) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 06:42:27PM +1100, Drew Parsons wrote: > > How about hollin.debian.org, or eregion.debian.org, the Elfen kingdom > outside Moria (what language was "speak friend, and enter" written in?) Elfic? The line below the heading is written in Sindarin, the language of the elves, in the mode of Beleriand and reads: ... Speak, friend, and enter. The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring, Chapter 4, "A Journey in the Dark"). -- Jesus Climent | Unix SysAdm | Helsinki, Finland | pumuki.hispalinux.es GPG: 1024D/86946D69 BB64 2339 1CAA 7064 E429 7E18 66FC 1D7F 8694 6D69 -- Registered Linux user #66350 proudly using Debian 3.0 & Linux 2.4.20 Where are you going, Starfish and Friends? --Chad (Charlie's Angels) pgpAbp1G10sEG.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi Oohara! You wrote: > Why does Debian host the Sourceforge site? I don't see anything > between sf.net and debian.org . You misunderstand. Debian will host _its_own_ sourforge-like environment, for developers. -- Kind regards, ++ | Bas Zoetekouw | GPG key: 0644fab7 | || Fingerprint: c1f5 f24c d514 3fec 8bf6 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | a2b1 2bae e41f 0644 fab7 | ++
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:01:15PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:55:56AM +0100, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote: > > > On Nov/27, Emile van Bergen wrote: > > > > > What about Avalon? Both a composer (well, hmm) and the place where > > > Excalibur was forged. > > > > Being about forging, "Orodruin" comes also to mind ;-) > > Yes, although there's already an orodruin.sourceforge.net and Mount Doom > is not altogether a nice place ;-)) > How about hollin.debian.org, or eregion.debian.org, the Elfen kingdom outside Moria (what language was "speak friend, and enter" written in?) where the Three were forged? Drew -- PGP public key available at http://people.debian.org/~dparsons/drewskey.txt Fingerprint: A110 EAE1 D7D2 8076 5FE0 EC0A B6CE 7041 6412 4E4A pgpzXX9VWqmPv.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:03:58 +0100, Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As some of you probably know, some people are in the process of > installing a Sourceforge site on a Debian machine. It will consist of > a slightly patched version of the 2.6 branch of the Debian package > "sourceforge", with a few scripts to help integration with existing > infrastructure (existing accounts and groups should be preserved, for > instance). Why does Debian host the Sourceforge site? I don't see anything between sf.net and debian.org . -- Oohara Yuuma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian developer PGP key (key ID F464A695) http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/pub-key.txt Key fingerprint = 6142 8D07 9C5B 159B C170 1F4A 40D6 F42E F464 A695 smile to answer --- Treasure, "Radiant Silvergun", attitude #3 for SBS-130
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 05:34:20PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > On Wednesday 27 November 2002 02:03, Roland Mas wrote: > > Current candidates include: > > > > hey how about something much less cryptic like "forge". Nothing worse than > having to guess what woman's name some silly coder named the program I am > looking for. > On the other hand, if you want truly obscure, here are some suggestions: Norse: Magni As Magni and Modi grew older, they learned many things from the dwarves, whom they would often visit. When Modi came of age, he took it upon himself to teach man how to forge and fashion bronze. Magni continued to learn things from the dwarves; and after learning many things, took it upon himself to teach man how to forge and fashion iron. Note: "learned from dwarfs"; positive association with magnificent. Norse: Draupnir Draupnir was a golden ring (or belt, there seems to be some confusion), that had the property that every ninth day 8 gold rings of equal weight dropped from it. Note: No special special affiliation with forges, just a promise of riches. Gaulish: Belisama The Gaulish/Celtic goddess of light and fire, the forge and of crafts. Note: sounds kind of like bellissimo. Hawaiian: Pele The Hawaiian (Polynesian) goddess of the fire in the volcano, the mother of eruptions. She is a ravishing, whimsical goddess who resides in the volcano Kilauea on Hawaii. Note: no special affinity with forges, but mother of eruptions (and flame-wars?) seems appropriate. Aztec: Veveteotl God of fire and creativity. Darkover: Sharra The most dangerous matrix on all Darkover was the legendary Sharra. Embodied in the image of a chained woman, wreathed in flames, it was the last remaining weapon of the Ages of Chaos that had almost destroyed civilization on the planet of the Bloody Sun. Then again, forge seems much safer. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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On Wednesday 27 November 2002 02:03, Roland Mas wrote: > Current candidates include: > hey how about something much less cryptic like "forge". Nothing worse than having to guess what woman's name some silly coder named the program I am looking for. And since most of us aren't French the names mean very little. But that is much less important.
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On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Marcin Owsiany wrote: > > He was the God of volcanic fire and of metal work. > > Maybe "lemnos"? This is where he used to work... > I thought the forge of Vulcan was Mt. Aetna in Sicily? The original "volcano". Hey there's another Debian connection: we are also known for producing large quantities of flaming spewage. :) -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's a girl! See the pictures - http://www.braincells.com/shailaja/
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Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > I like maintaining the idea of forge, so my proposal is VULCAN > (from Roman mithology). i prefer greek: hephaistos then there is the Celtic mythos: brigid Irish (Bride in Scotland), great triple goddess. Fire goddess and crafts-smith. Christians turned her into a saint. -john
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:24:10AM +0100, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > I like maintaining the idea of forge, so my proposal is VULCAN > (from Roman mithology). > He was the God of volcanic fire and of metal work. Maybe "lemnos"? This is where he used to work... Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://marcin.owsiany.pl/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216
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On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Michael Furr wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 05:03, Roland Mas wrote: > > - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or > > Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. > > Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea to > > improve that line is welcome. Maybe just smith.debian.org would be > > enough (and I'll bet we can find a music composer named Smith if we > > look hard enough). > I like this line of names because it is not as cryptic. However I think > "debforge" has a better ring to it. Please no. yours, peter -- PGP signed and encrypted | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** messages preferred.| : :' : The universal | `. `' Operating System http://www.palfrader.org/ | `-http://www.debian.org/ pgpmAlx28NcvE.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 05:03, Roland Mas wrote: > - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or > Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. > Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea to > improve that line is welcome. Maybe just smith.debian.org would be > enough (and I'll bet we can find a music composer named Smith if we > look hard enough). I like this line of names because it is not as cryptic. However I think "debforge" has a better ring to it. -m
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 07:07:45AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: > > - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or > > Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. > > Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea to > > improve that line is welcome. Maybe just smith.debian.org would be > > enough (and I'll bet we can find a music composer named Smith if we > > look hard enough). > > Speaking of composers... how about Sibelius? Finnish composer, in honor of > Linus. :-) Or Debussy, if you're going for French names. We've got a debussy; it's an arm machine. Maybe Grieg? Forge => dwarf => Hall of the Mountain King. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pick a name, any name...
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: [snip] > - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or > Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. > Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea to > improve that line is welcome. Maybe just smith.debian.org would be > enough (and I'll bet we can find a music composer named Smith if we > look hard enough). Speaking of composers... how about Sibelius? Finnish composer, in honor of Linus. :-) Or Debussy, if you're going for French names. T -- Caffeine underflow. Brain dumped.
Re: Pick a name, any name...
Hi, On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:55:56AM +0100, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote: > On Nov/27, Emile van Bergen wrote: > > > What about Avalon? Both a composer (well, hmm) and the place where > > Excalibur was forged. > > Being about forging, "Orodruin" comes also to mind ;-) Yes, although there's already an orodruin.sourceforge.net and Mount Doom is not altogether a nice place ;-)) Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info pgpcNDOS4wfiS.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Nov/27, Emile van Bergen wrote: > What about Avalon? Both a composer (well, hmm) and the place where > Excalibur was forged. Being about forging, "Orodruin" comes also to mind ;-) -- Roberto Suarez Soto Alfa21 Outsourcing [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.alfa21.com
Re: Pick a name, any name...
Hi, On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: > Hi all, > > As some of you probably know, some people are in the process of > installing a Sourceforge site on a Debian machine. It will consist of > a slightly patched version of the 2.6 branch of the Debian package > "sourceforge", with a few scripts to help integration with existing > infrastructure (existing accounts and groups should be preserved, for > instance). > > The code is almost ready, the server itself should be OK soon (if > not already), and Wichert and I even managed to find a time where both > of us can be on the same IRC network at the same time. > > Now for the *real* important debate: how to call it? What about Avalon? Both a composer (well, hmm) and the place where Excalibur was forged. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info pgpK1e1fVLO0d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pick a name, any name...
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: > Current candidates include: > - Actarus: Actarus is the pilot of Goldorak/Grendizer/what's it called > in your language. No particular reason except that it was a very > famous cartoon here in France some ten-fifteen years ago. Alcor is > another name in that series. I like either Actarus or Alcor :) > - Your idea here. Or the simpliest forge.debian.org, or smithers.debian.org which also recall the Simpson character and his role of secretary (after all it should be the secretary for our projects). ciao, -- Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis | Elegant or ugly code as well aliases: Luca ^De [A-Z][-A-Za-z]*[iy]'?s$ | as fine or rude sentences have Infinite loop: see `Loop, infinite'.| something in common: they Loop, infinite: see `Infinite loop'.| don't depend on the language.
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I like maintaining the idea of forge, so my proposal is VULCAN (from Roman mithology). He was the God of volcanic fire and of metal work. He was the son of Hera (and maybe Zeus).(Some say that Hera gave birth to Hephaestus alone because she was angry with Zeus, because Athena was born out of Zeus' head) without the participation of Hera. Vulcan (Hephaestos), the celestial artist, The olympians considered almost everything to be made of natural materials or metal. He made a golden breastplate to Heracles, Achilles' new armour, Agamemnon's Scepter. The brazen-footed bulls, which puffed fire from their mouths. Oenopion's underground house, the Necklace of Harmonia, and the list goes on. -- Francesco P. Lovergine
Re: Pick a name, any name...
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:03:58 +0100 Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Your idea here. > Trinity, re the Matrix Glenn
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Roland, Roland> - Your idea here. What about 'meiinoar' which means 'together' in frisian (a language, some argue a dialect ;), in the Netherlands)... Regards, Arjen
Re: Pick a name, any name...
Roland Mas wrote: Hi all, Hello, As some of you probably know, some people are in the process of installing a Sourceforge site on a Debian machine. It will consist of a slightly patched version of the 2.6 branch of the Debian package "sourceforge", with a few scripts to help integration with existing infrastructure (existing accounts and groups should be preserved, for instance). Good to hear. The code is almost ready, the server itself should be OK soon (if not already), and Wichert and I even managed to find a time where both of us can be on the same IRC network at the same time. Now for the *real* important debate: how to call it? Current candidates include: ... - Your idea here. Can't we keep Quantz as such name? Cheers,
