Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
gustavo halperin dijo [Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:46:09PM +0300]: I don't understand your question: why would you want to use XFree now?, what do you mean. Do you mean why not use X.org ??. Any way the current XFree version in Debian stable is 4.3, this version is to old for me. I have a Toshiba laptop Portege R100 with trident Cyber Blade XP , with XFree 4.3 I can use only vesa, I really need to update X-server. Even now I'm thinking to update from Xfree 4.5 to X.org last revision ([1]X11R7.0) that looks like have fully support for my driver, see [2]link. Do you have any recommendation how to do it in the best way for my Debian system ?? I suggest you to search for a backports repository - You can find some here: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xorgsubmit=Submit+Queryarch%5B%5D=i386arch%5B%5D=all There is no xorg 7.0 backport yet, and I fear it will not be easy to add one (as the Debian xorg 7.0 introduced _major_ packaging changes, if somebody puts up a backport it will probably be completely made from scratch to behave as close as xfree 4.3 as possible). Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 09:03:19AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: There is no xorg 7.0 backport yet, and I fear it will not be easy to add one (as the Debian xorg 7.0 introduced _major_ packaging changes, if somebody puts up a backport it will probably be completely made from scratch to behave as close as xfree 4.3 as possible). That would be basically the worst-case scenario, and completely tank all upgrades, given the huge number of versioned conflicts et al needed to ensure even a vaguely smooth upgrade. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 02:51:08AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Gunnar Wolf wrote: - So the answer is right, why would you want to use XFree now? I guess, he has unsupported hardware, ugly proprietary drivers, etc. I don't know of any hardware supported by XFree86 4.5 that X.Org 6.9/7.0 doesn't support. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
Gunnar Wolf wrote: gustavo halperin dijo [Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0300]: I think that we have a problem when the common library between XFree and /usr/lib are update in /usr/lib. I currently have XFree 4.5, when the library libfontconfig1 was update to version 2.3.2-1 was also updated the file libfontconfig.so to the version 1.0.4 but in the XFree (/usr/X11R6/lib/) this library still be the version 1. The problem came we we use programs like Gimp that must at least version 1.0.2 of this library. I solve this problem by link the libfontconfig in /usr/X11R6/lib to the newest library in /usr/lib. That is the solution or that is a Bug in Debian System ?? I assume that you're installing XFree86 4.5 by yourself, since it wasn't packaged for Debian. In that case, local installation conflicts are your problem to sort out. I see, you are absolutely right. Thank you for you explanation. Hmh... I'll jump in - Daniel's reply was probably on the wrong tone, but the answer is perfectly right - When you choose a distribution (like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSE or any other), you choose the carefully crafted work of integration of thousands of packages. Of course, for most packages you can decide to roll your own and live with it - But in the case of X... Well, it's one of the packages in which most other packages depend, and it's one of the least trivial ones to get right. You can be almost sure that many things will break if you prefer to use an X server not provided by Debian - So the answer is right, why would you want to use XFree now? Greetings, I don't understand your question: "why would you want to use XFree now?", what do you mean. Do you mean why not use X.org ??. Any way the current XFree version in Debian stable is 4.3, this version is to old for me. I have a Toshiba laptop Portege R100 with trident Cyber Blade XP , with XFree 4.3 I can use only vesa, I really need to update X-server. Even now I'm thinking to update from Xfree 4.5 to X.org last revision (X11R7.0) that looks like have fully support for my driver, see link. Do you have any recommendation how to do it in the best way for my Debian system ?? Thank you in advance, Gustavo Halperin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
gustavo halperin wrote: Gunnar Wolf wrote: gustavo halperin dijo [Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0300]: I think that we have a problem when the common library between XFree and /usr/lib are update in /usr/lib. I currently have XFree 4.5, when the library libfontconfig1 was update to version 2.3.2-1 was also updated the file libfontconfig.so to the version 1.0.4 but in the XFree (/usr/X11R6/lib/) this library still be the version 1. The problem came we we use programs like Gimp that must at least version 1.0.2 of this library. I solve this problem by link the libfontconfig in /usr/X11R6/lib to the newest library in /usr/lib. That is the solution or that is a Bug in Debian System ?? I assume that you're installing XFree86 4.5 by yourself, since it wasn't packaged for Debian. In that case, local installation conflicts are your problem to sort out. I see, you are absolutely right. Thank you for you explanation. Hmh... I'll jump in - Daniel's reply was probably on the wrong tone, but the answer is perfectly right - When you choose a distribution (like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSE or any other), you choose the carefully crafted work of integration of thousands of packages. Of course, for most packages you can decide to roll your own and live with it - But in the case of X... Well, it's one of the packages in which most other packages depend, and it's one of the least trivial ones to get right. You can be almost sure that many things will break if you prefer to use an X server not provided by Debian - So the answer is right, why would you want to use XFree now? Greetings, I don't understand your question: why would you want to use XFree now?, what do you mean. Do you mean why not use X.org ??. Any way the current XFree version in Debian stable is 4.3, this version is to old for me. I have a Toshiba laptop Portege R100 with trident *Cyber Blade XP* , with XFree 4.3 I can use only vesa, I really need to update X-server. Even now I'm thinking to update from Xfree 4.5 to X.org last revision (X11R7.0 http://wiki.x.org/wiki/X11R70Release) that looks like have fully support for my driver, see link http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/trident.4.html. Do you have any recommendation how to do it in the best way for my Debian system ?? Backports: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/ Or, if you feel comfortable doing it, then upgrade to Etch or Sid. Besides, is this not a bit OT for -devel? Perhaps this discussion is more suited to -user. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
gustavo halperin dijo [Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0300]:
I think that we have a problem when the common library between XFree and
/usr/lib are update in /usr/lib.
I assume that you're installing XFree86 4.5 by yourself, since it wasn't
packaged for Debian. In that case, local installation conflicts are
your problem to sort out.
When you choose a distribution
(like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSE or any other), you choose the
carefully crafted work of integration of thousands of packages. Of
course, for most packages you can decide to roll your own and live
with it.
Aren't you supposed to have all files provided by the distribution in
/{usr,var}/ and all local customizations in /{usr,var}/local/? At least
this is what the FHS and the Debian infrastructure expect. Packages which
use autotools install to /*/local/ by unless overriden; I would expect
most other pieces of software follow this convention as well.
- But in the case of X... Well, it's one of the packages in
which most other packages depend, and it's one of the least trivial
ones to get right.
Well, actually it is one of _most_ portable ones. That is, if you don't
look at the libraries but on how it works on the wire. X11 is supposed to
negotiate the set of extensions supported by the server and the client and
to degrade gracefully [1].
From my experiences, even in a vastly diverse IRIX/SunOS/PLD/Debian
environment, X11 is the only piece which continues to work flawlessly even
where most basic things like curses fail. All thanks to the separation
between the X server and X clients -- if you can install XFree4.5 in a way
that it won't interfere with Debian libraries, I would expect it to work.
[1]. Unless things absolutely require a given extension, that is. This is
sometimes the case with xcomposite and some OpenGL stuff.
- So the answer is right, why would you want to use XFree now?
I guess, he has unsupported hardware, ugly proprietary drivers, etc.
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Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
gustavo halperin dijo [Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0300]: I think that we have a problem when the common library between XFree and /usr/lib are update in /usr/lib. I currently have XFree 4.5, when the library libfontconfig1 was update to version 2.3.2-1 was also updated the file libfontconfig.so to the version 1.0.4 but in the XFree (/usr/X11R6/lib/) this library still be the version 1. The problem came we we use programs like Gimp that must at least version 1.0.2 of this library. I solve this problem by link the libfontconfig in /usr/X11R6/lib to the newest library in /usr/lib. That is the solution or that is a Bug in Debian System ?? I assume that you're installing XFree86 4.5 by yourself, since it wasn't packaged for Debian. In that case, local installation conflicts are your problem to sort out. I see, you are absolutely right. Thank you for you explanation. Hmh... I'll jump in - Daniel's reply was probably on the wrong tone, but the answer is perfectly right - When you choose a distribution (like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSE or any other), you choose the carefully crafted work of integration of thousands of packages. Of course, for most packages you can decide to roll your own and live with it - But in the case of X... Well, it's one of the packages in which most other packages depend, and it's one of the least trivial ones to get right. You can be almost sure that many things will break if you prefer to use an X server not provided by Debian - So the answer is right, why would you want to use XFree now? Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0300, gustavo halperin wrote: Daniel Stone wrote: On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 04:17:28PM +0300, gustavo halperin wrote: I think that we have a problem when the common library between XFree and /usr/lib are update in /usr/lib. I currently have XFree 4.5, when the library libfontconfig1 was update to version 2.3.2-1 was also updated the file libfontconfig.so to the version 1.0.4 but in the XFree (/usr/X11R6/lib/) this library still be the version 1. The problem came we we use programs like Gimp that must at least version 1.0.2 of this library. I solve this problem by link the libfontconfig in /usr/X11R6/lib to the newest library in /usr/lib. That is the solution or that is a Bug in Debian System ?? I assume that you're installing XFree86 4.5 by yourself, since it wasn't packaged for Debian. In that case, local installation conflicts are your problem to sort out. I see, you are absolutely right. Thank you for you explanation. Just out of curiousity, any particular reason why you would want to use XFree rather than Xorg? Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 04:17:28PM +0300, gustavo halperin wrote: I think that we have a problem when the common library between XFree and /usr/lib are update in /usr/lib. I currently have XFree 4.5, when the library libfontconfig1 was update to version 2.3.2-1 was also updated the file libfontconfig.so to the version 1.0.4 but in the XFree (/usr/X11R6/lib/) this library still be the version 1. The problem came we we use programs like Gimp that must at least version 1.0.2 of this library. I solve this problem by link the libfontconfig in /usr/X11R6/lib to the newest library in /usr/lib. That is the solution or that is a Bug in Debian System ?? I assume that you're installing XFree86 4.5 by yourself, since it wasn't packaged for Debian. In that case, local installation conflicts are your problem to sort out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5
Daniel Stone wrote: On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 04:17:28PM +0300, gustavo halperin wrote: I think that we have a problem when the common library between XFree and /usr/lib are update in /usr/lib. I currently have XFree 4.5, when the library libfontconfig1 was update to version 2.3.2-1 was also updated the file libfontconfig.so to the version 1.0.4 but in the XFree (/usr/X11R6/lib/) this library still be the version 1. The problem came we we use programs like Gimp that must at least version 1.0.2 of this library. I solve this problem by link the libfontconfig in /usr/X11R6/lib to the newest library in /usr/lib. That is the solution or that is a Bug in Debian System ?? I assume that you're installing XFree86 4.5 by yourself, since it wasn't packaged for Debian. In that case, local installation conflicts are your problem to sort out. I see, you are absolutely right. Thank you for you explanation. Gustavo Halperin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
