Re: Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 08 juillet 2007 à 23:02 -0500, Joseph Neal a écrit :
 A substitute needs to be a simple library based player
 that is scriptable and provides maximum exposure to the features of the
 underlying libraries.

If you find a piece of software that solves the eternal dilemma between
features and simplicity, I'm sure this will interest thousands of
software engineers in the world.

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Re: Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-08 Thread Joseph Neal
  Well, my reasoning was, that we just try to wild guess about
  user capabilities.  I have just learned that user behave very
  unexpected and exactly these users happen to be quite vocal
  how broken Debian is.  I just would like to give them lesser
  chances to be correct when they claim this.
 
 Anyone who claims Debian is broken for not shipping 6-year-old
 abandonware in stable is an idiot who should be refuted, not pandered
 to.

Responding from the web because I'm lazy.

Xmms-shn was last updated March 28th 2007.  I personally have about 40
hours of zappa boots in shn format that would only be playable from
mplayer and perhaps vlc if xmms were removed. This is a common media
format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorten

Looking at Freshmeat, 16 plugins or otherwise xmms based projects have
been updated in the past year including two new ones that
were introduced. It may be dead, but development on top of it is
definitely ongoing.  

Bmpx is not really a substitute for the simple fact that it's gstreamer
based. A substitute needs to be a simple library based player
that is scriptable and provides maximum exposure to the features of the
underlying libraries.  It needs to be suitable for use in car
computers, portable media devices, pro-audio applications, etc.

It's my impression that audicious is not scriptable so it can't be
as easily integrated into existing applications or controlled from emacs
or irssi.  

My money is on Xmms2, but it's got a ways to go before it's usable. 


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