Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Adam Borowski]

> >> Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> > My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce
> >> > both .deb and .rpm releases of my software.
>
On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 04:15:17PM +0200, Hector Oron wrote:
> Maybe using 'alien'?

This is an option only if your dependencies include hardly anything else
than libc6, and even then you should build your package against an ancient
libc.  Generally, not the best idea for anything not self-contained.

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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Hector Oron]

Maybe using 'alien'?

2007/7/6, Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


\On 7/6/07, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce
> > both .deb and .rpm releases of my software.
>
> > Is this something people normally do from the same Debian workstation,
> > or do they typically fire up a RedHat system to do their .rpm
creation,
> > and use a Debian workstation to do their .deb creation?
>
> You'll have to use the appropriate OS to build packages for that OS.
> Debian requires this as well in order to get things like shared library
> dependencies right, to satisfy Build-Depends, and so forth.  It makes
> sense that RPM has the same issues.
>
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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Brett Parker]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 05:51:11PM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
> Sex, 2007-07-06 ??s 18:47 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz escreveu:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > > My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce
> > > both .deb and .rpm releases of my software.
> you can easily use virtual machines like xen and qemu to build and test
> them.

You don't even have to go that far... I build rpm packages in a CentOS 5
chroot on a Debian Etch box. It makes it so much more fun :)

(Never did get mach or the other rpm tools to work though - so it's
sortof bolted together with a bunch of shell scripts and the chroot was
built using a bash script I knocked up a while back...)

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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Loïc Minier]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2007, Holger Levsen wrote:
> O etch it hits one bug in rpm, so you need to mkdir /var/lib/rpm outside the 
> chroot. Doh! See the BTS for more info.

 Right; in fact, it's presumably both a feature and a bug of our RPM
 packages: "RPM Transaction Sets" don't work properly when rpmlock_path
 isn't writable because they need to take the lock using this file,
 however _rpmlock_path defaults to dbpath, and the Debian RPM package
 doesn't ship a /var/lib/rpm to avoid people installing *.rpm files
 along their dpkg managed system.

 So one way is indeed to create a /var/lib/rpm, another way is to set
 (for example via /etc/rpm/macros.mach):
%_rpmlock_path /var/lib/rpm-lock/__db.000
 this still gives the protection that RPM won't allow to install
 packages.

 One could wonder why mach/mock don't workaround / override these
 values -- especially to use pathnames in the chroot -- but the problem
 is that the host's yum doesn't offer anyway to set RPM macros and RPM's
 dbpath when setting --root isn't relative to the root.  :-/

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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Holger Levsen]

Hi,

On Saturday 07 July 2007 08:30, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> It looks like rpmstrap could build you a suitable chroot (like
> debootstap for Debian), but from the description it appears to be
> somewhat outdated (eg Fedora Core 2).

mock worked for me to setup Fedora Core 6, haven#t tried 7 yet. 

O etch it hits one bug in rpm, so you need to mkdir /var/lib/rpm outside the 
chroot. Doh! See the BTS for more info.


regards,
Holger


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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 04:30:43PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 05:06:56PM +, Peter Makholm wrote:
> > "Christian Convey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Is this something people normally do from the same Debian workstation,
> > > or do they typically fire up a RedHat system to do their .rpm
> > > creation, and use a Debian workstation to do their .deb creation?
> > 
> > Never done it myself but I would at least built the rpm in a chroot or
> > vserver with the target distribution installed.
> 
> It looks like rpmstrap could build you a suitable chroot (like
> debootstap for Debian), but from the description it appears to be
> somewhat outdated (eg Fedora Core 2).
> 
Also, based on my experience trying to build a CentOS 3 chroot (CentOS 3
being fairly old at this point), it just doesn't work.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 05:06:56PM +, Peter Makholm wrote:
> "Christian Convey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Is this something people normally do from the same Debian workstation,
> > or do they typically fire up a RedHat system to do their .rpm
> > creation, and use a Debian workstation to do their .deb creation?
> 
> Never done it myself but I would at least built the rpm in a chroot or
> vserver with the target distribution installed.

It looks like rpmstrap could build you a suitable chroot (like
debootstap for Debian), but from the description it appears to be
somewhat outdated (eg Fedora Core 2).

Hamish
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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Bernd Zeimetz]

> Never done it myself but I would at least built the rpm in a chroot or
> vserver with the target distribution installed.

vserver is a good hint here, definitely my favourite way to install
diferent distributions/versions/... on one machine, and way less
ressource intensive than xen & co.

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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Ivan Jager]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:


Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce
both .deb and .rpm releases of my software.



Is this something people normally do from the same Debian workstation,
or do they typically fire up a RedHat system to do their .rpm creation,
and use a Debian workstation to do their .deb creation?


You'll have to use the appropriate OS to build packages for that OS.
Debian requires this as well in order to get things like shared library
dependencies right, to satisfy Build-Depends, and so forth.  It makes
sense that RPM has the same issues.


I don't build RPMs any more, but you should be able to build them just 
fine inside a chroot. Look at the schroot package if you want to do it as 
a normal user.


You will still want an install of each distro you want to build/test 
packages for, although some things built for one distro may work fine on 
another.


Ivan


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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Peter Makholm]

"Christian Convey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is this something people normally do from the same Debian workstation,
> or do they typically fire up a RedHat system to do their .rpm
> creation, and use a Debian workstation to do their .deb creation?

Never done it myself but I would at least built the rpm in a chroot or
vserver with the target distribution installed.

//Makholm


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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Christian Convey]

\On 7/6/07, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce
> both .deb and .rpm releases of my software.

> Is this something people normally do from the same Debian workstation,
> or do they typically fire up a RedHat system to do their .rpm creation,
> and use a Debian workstation to do their .deb creation?

You'll have to use the appropriate OS to build packages for that OS.
Debian requires this as well in order to get things like shared library
dependencies right, to satisfy Build-Depends, and so forth.  It makes
sense that RPM has the same issues.

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Thanks everyone.


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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Russ Allbery]

Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce
> both .deb and .rpm releases of my software.

> Is this something people normally do from the same Debian workstation,
> or do they typically fire up a RedHat system to do their .rpm creation,
> and use a Debian workstation to do their .deb creation?

You'll have to use the appropriate OS to build packages for that OS.
Debian requires this as well in order to get things like shared library
dependencies right, to satisfy Build-Depends, and so forth.  It makes
sense that RPM has the same issues.

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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Luis Matos]

Sex, 2007-07-06 às 18:47 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz escreveu:
> Hi,
> 
> > My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce
> > both .deb and .rpm releases of my software.
you can easily use virtual machines like xen and qemu to build and test
them.

> -- 
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> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> 


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Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

[Bernd Zeimetz]

Hi,

> My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce
> both .deb and .rpm releases of my software.

depending on your software producing packages for Redhat, SuSE or any
other rpm based distributions on a Debian box is not what you want to do
as you want to use their specific library versions to build your package
properly. If you're only packaging some architecture independent stuff,
it probably doesn't matter at all - you would want to test your package
on the target distribution, though.

Cheers,

Bernd

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