Re: The klik project and Debian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a fairly good amount of Debian Sarge packages available via http://klik.atekon.de/. However, most of them are having unmaintained recipes and therefore some of them do not work properly. I think it would be an easy task for Debian maintainers to check the working of the kliked packages and improve their recipes. I think we should make friends with the klik project and help them. Shouldn't this have been on debian-devel-announce? Running, Frank -- Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX)
Re: The klik project and Debian
Le Jeudi 19 Janvier 2006 08:48, Peter Samuelson a écrit : For those following along at home, it seems klik is some sort of gateway to install Debian packages on various non-Debian distributions. I imagine it's an ftp frontend to alien. Well.. In fact, it is a scripted version of apt that can install package in a temp directory. The aim of it is to allow normal user to install app without write acess to /usr etc.. One application for it is to test a beta release without the need to have it definitly installed. My own feeling about it is that the author is not very honnest with the debian packaging work. No where in his web page is written that in fact klik is a refactoring of actual debian packages. Instead, it is at least implcitly told that it's all the author's work... I feel it as being not honnest so I don't see why I should really care.. Do they solve any of these problems better than Debian does? Would Debian users derive any value from klik? How? Hum... It allows non permanent installation which can be seen as good thing, but, even if I'm not deeply aware of it, I can imagine that it needs to install libraries and other things, and has the risk of puting a real mess in your system... Furthermore, the instalation script is not documented, and I had to go through the source to know what it was doing.. If not, I fail to see why Debian should care. We've got enough to worry about just making packages suitable for Debian - why go out of our way to help people who refuse to use Debian? And to people who refuse to mention their use of debian's work... Romain -- There is a land far, far away Where there's no night, there's only day Look into the book of life and you will see That there's a land far, far away
Re: The klik project and Debian
Le Jeudi 19 Janvier 2006 09:57, Romain Beauxis a écrit : No where in his web page is written that in fact klik is a refactoring of actual debian packages. Ok I was wrong it is written in small at the end: Thanks to debian for the software compilation and packaging. Romain -- Satan is an evilous man, But him can't chocks it on I-man So when I check him my lassing hand And if him slip, I gaan with him hand
Re: The klik project and Debian
On Thursday 19 January 2006 09:57, Romain Beauxis wrote: My own feeling about it is that the author is not very honnest with the debian packaging work. From klik.atekon.de: Thanks to debian for the software compilation and packaging. Hum... It allows non permanent installation which can be seen as good thing, but, even if I'm not deeply aware of it, I can imagine that it needs to install libraries and other things, and has the risk of puting a real mess in your system... Furthermore, the instalation script is not documented, and I had to go through the source to know what it was doing.. IIRC it creates some kind of chroot. If not, I fail to see why Debian should care. We've got enough to worry about just making packages suitable for Debian - why go out of our way to help people who refuse to use Debian? And to people who refuse to mention their use of debian's work... See above Romain
Re: The klik project and Debian
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a fairly good amount of Debian Sarge packages available via http://klik.atekon.de/. However, most of them are having unmaintained recipes and therefore some of them do not work properly. I think it would be an easy task for Debian maintainers to check the working of the kliked packages and improve their recipes. I think we should make friends with the klik project and help them. Shouldn't this have been on debian-devel-announce? No, the subject was wrong. It should have been For those who care about their packages in klik to be marked as real announcement. Marc -- Fachbegriffe der Informatik - Einfach erklärt 207: Gesundbooten Das Allheilmittel für jegliche Probleme, die auf, mit und um Windows auftauchen. (Holger Marzen) pgppCpnLcFLRS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The klik project and Debian
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a fairly good amount of Debian Sarge packages available via http://klik.atekon.de/. However, most of them are having unmaintained recipes and therefore some of them do not work properly. I think it would be an easy task for Debian maintainers to check the working of the kliked packages and improve their recipes. I think we should make friends with the klik project and help them. Shouldn't this have been on debian-devel-announce? Ha. You funny man. Me laugh.
Re: The klik project and Debian
Le Jeudi 19 Janvier 2006 08:48, Peter Samuelson a écrit?: For those following along at home, it seems klik is some sort of gateway to install Debian packages on various non-Debian distributions. I imagine it's an ftp frontend to alien. Well.. In fact, it is a scripted version of apt that can install package in a temp directory. scripted is right. apt (or Debian) is not exclusively used, only mostly. install I wouldnt call what klik does. It brings a single file to your system (hr yes, in previous versions, for debugging purposes it had leftovers in /tmp/klik/appname/), which is relocateable, can be run and used, but does not mess with your system's package manager's holy realm. The aim of it is to allow normal user to install app without write acess to /usr etc.. Not install the app. Use the app is more precise. Doesnt put anything into /usr etc. Just into the user's $HOME/Desktop/ (by default -- may be moved any time). One application for it is to test a beta release without the need to have it definitly installed. Right. My own feeling about it is that the author is not very honnest with the debian packaging work. Why?!? No where in his web page is written that in fact klik is a refactoring of actual debian packages. Read again. I'm sure you'll discover it. 1 minute ago I checked, and it was still there: Thanks to debian for the software compilation and packaging. On nearly every page. In the footer. I'm sure we are open for negotiation to make that note even more prominent, or re-word it. Please make a suggestion. (But please do also bear in mind that it shouldn't be too annoying and jumping into the face of frequent klik users). Instead, it is at least implcitly told that it's all the author's work... klik by Simon Peter. Thanks to all contributors on #klik. Thanks to debian for the software compilation and packaging. [] Thanks to all users who give feedback. THIS IS PURELY EXPERIMENTAL SOFTWARE. On nearly each page's footer... Are you sure you have looked onto the *real* klik page? http://klik.atekon.de/ ? I feel it as being not honnest so I don't see why I should really care.. Fortunately, you are wrong here. Do they solve any of these problems better than Debian does? ?Would Debian users derive any value from klik? ?How? Hum... It allows non permanent installation which can be seen as good thing, but, even if I'm not deeply aware of it, I can imagine that it needs to install libraries and other things, and has the risk of puting a real mess in your system... No. The beauty of klik is that it does not mess *at all* with your system! It doesnt install libraries. The only things a running klik-ified application will ever endanger by touching them are the dot files and directories in the user's home directory. These are generally not seens as being part of the system. (Of course, for the user they may be even more valuable than the system which can be easily rebuild...) If a klik bundle needs specific libraries, these will be embedded into the single compressed, self-contained file system image *.cmg file. Your system will not notice these additional libraries. If these libraries are buggy, your system's installed base stability will not suffer. If the klik app is failing well, then just that app doesnt run. Furthermore, the instalation script is not documented, and I had to go through the source to know what it was doing.. Please poke a bit more on the klik website. You may want to look at the FAQ first: http://klik.atekon.de/wiki/index.php/User's_FAQ If not, I fail to see why Debian should care. ?We've got enough to worry about just making packages suitable for Debian - why go out of our way to help people who refuse to use Debian? And to people who refuse to mention their use of debian's work. Heh... Cheers, Kurt [not subscribed]
Re: The klik project and Debian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] There seems to be a fairly good amount of Debian Sarge packages available via http://klik.atekon.de/. You know, I almost didn't bother to visit the web site, since you're unwilling to even sign your name to your message, and you didn't say anything about what klik is or why we should care. I was bored, though. For those following along at home, it seems klik is some sort of gateway to install Debian packages on various non-Debian distributions. I imagine it's an ftp frontend to alien. The klik way of obtaining packages seems to have solved many other problems related to package management as well, so this is something Debian developers should study carefully. Do they solve any of these problems better than Debian does? Would Debian users derive any value from klik? How? If not, I fail to see why Debian should care. We've got enough to worry about just making packages suitable for Debian - why go out of our way to help people who refuse to use Debian? Peter signature.asc Description: Digital signature
