Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 08:13:23AM -0600, Ken Bloom wrote: >> Why not accept the AMD64 binaries, then dump the AMD64 binaries because >> you don't know what to do with them, but accept the arch:all debs from >> that upload? > > Why would ftp-master want to work on special-casing amd64 for this instead > of just working on getting amd64 into the archive? Because the former takes 10 minutes while the later takes weeks and coordination with all mirrors. Also the DAK could ignore all !all debs on all uploads and let everything autobuild. No special casing amd64 there. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 08:13:23AM -0600, Ken Bloom wrote: > >>Why not accept the AMD64 binaries, then dump the AMD64 binaries because >>you don't know what to do with them, but accept the arch:all debs from >>that upload? > > > Why would ftp-master want to work on special-casing amd64 for this instead > of just working on getting amd64 into the archive? I honestly don't know. --Ken Bloom -- I usually have a GPG digital signature included as an attachment. See http://www.gnupg.org/ for info about these digital signatures. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 08:13:23AM -0600, Ken Bloom wrote: > Why not accept the AMD64 binaries, then dump the AMD64 binaries because > you don't know what to do with them, but accept the arch:all debs from > that upload? Why would ftp-master want to work on special-casing amd64 for this instead of just working on getting amd64 into the archive? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > "=?iso-8859-15?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Marant?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>I meantioned one solution. There is another possible one: source uploads. >>And no, I don't think it would cause more breakages than nowdays because >>uploading sources only doesn't meant packages have not been build on >>our systems. >> >>-- >>Jérôme Marant > > > There are some implementation details that someone would have to fix > first: > > 1. DAK refuses source uploads > > 2. sources without debs get removed so a source only upload would > remove itself potentialy before buildds supply debs > > 3. source uploads would not build architecture all package. None of > the buildds will and then they are missing. > > 4. architecture all uploads are not possible so one would have to > upload for e.g. i386 with just arch:all debs. But then the DAK would > see that the source stoped building certain binaries (all arch: i386 > debs) wrongfully and create problems. > > > So while theoretically source only uploads would be great practically > there are problems. I sure hope patches would be welcome though. Why not accept the AMD64 binaries, then dump the AMD64 binaries because you don't know what to do with them, but accept the arch:all debs from that upload? --Ken Bloom -- I usually have a GPG digital signature included as an attachment. See http://www.gnupg.org/ for info about these digital signatures. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > There are some implementation details that someone would have to fix > first [...] > So while theoretically source only uploads would be great practically > there are problems. I sure hope patches would be welcome though. Well, if Ubuntu implemented it, it might be wiser to try resyncing with their improvements instead. -- Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
"=?iso-8859-15?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Marant?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I meantioned one solution. There is another possible one: source uploads. > And no, I don't think it would cause more breakages than nowdays because > uploading sources only doesn't meant packages have not been build on > our systems. > > -- > Jérôme Marant There are some implementation details that someone would have to fix first: 1. DAK refuses source uploads 2. sources without debs get removed so a source only upload would remove itself potentialy before buildds supply debs 3. source uploads would not build architecture all package. None of the buildds will and then they are missing. 4. architecture all uploads are not possible so one would have to upload for e.g. i386 with just arch:all debs. But then the DAK would see that the source stoped building certain binaries (all arch: i386 debs) wrongfully and create problems. So while theoretically source only uploads would be great practically there are problems. I sure hope patches would be welcome though. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
On 10480 March 1977, W. Borgert wrote: >> I meantioned one solution. There is another possible one: source uploads. >> And no, I don't think it would cause more breakages than nowdays because >> uploading sources only doesn't meant packages have not been build on >> our systems. > I couldn't agree more: source uploads are a good idea. It seems > to work for Ubuntu. However, we have discussed this issue before > and there was no consensus and worse, no implementation. No, they are not. -- bye Joerg meebey: Ich kanns Dir remote machen;) oh mann... erst denken dann schreiben pgpMkvh21JIyF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 11:20:59PM +0100, J?r?me Marant wrote: > I meantioned one solution. There is another possible one: source uploads. > And no, I don't think it would cause more breakages than nowdays because > uploading sources only doesn't meant packages have not been build on > our systems. I couldn't agree more: source uploads are a good idea. It seems to work for Ubuntu. However, we have discussed this issue before and there was no consensus and worse, no implementation. Cheers, -- W. Borgert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, http://people.debian.org/~debacle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 04:23:37PM -0500, Joe Smith wrote: > would assume that it was fairly ovbious that the binary upload would need > to be > for an offical arcitecture, which amd64 is not (yet). In fact, it is > probably not reccomended > to be developing under a system that is not offically a debian system. Given that amd64 is targeted to release with etch, the sooner we can use it as a development platform, the sooner we will catch potentially RC bugs, so I would say it _is_ recommended. Cheers, -- Bill. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Imagine a large red swirl here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
"Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Not good. What is missing to get this fixed? > > Well There are two mirror changes. I suspect that scc will need to become > operational, > before amd64 is added to ftp-master. The scc change is a big change and > certainly has te potential to break things, > including offical mirrors. So this change will likely be delayed as long as > possible. I hope you're wrong. > Until amd64 is made an official architecture it would be nonsensical to > allow dinstall (or is it katie?) to accept packages for amd64. What is nonsensical is that one of the most popular architectures is still not official. But the point is moot anyway. > >>> > If not, is there any upload queue dedicated at them? >>> >>> Nope. >>> Well. Yes (again). But only about 5 people are allowed to upload there, >>> plus one script that syncs the source from Debian. So you dont need to >>> upload there. >> >>So, I guess I have no choice but building packages in a i386 chroot, right? > > I would assume that it was fairly ovbious that the binary upload would need > to be > for an offical arcitecture, which amd64 is not (yet). In fact, it is > probably not reccomended > to be developing under a system that is not offically a debian system. But if noone develop for that system, there is not point making it official, isn't there? I meantioned one solution. There is another possible one: source uploads. And no, I don't think it would cause more breakages than nowdays because uploading sources only doesn't meant packages have not been build on our systems. -- Jérôme Marant
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Jérôme Marant said: Quoting Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Jérôme Marant schrieb: > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? No. Well. Yes. Of course you can upload. They just get rejected. :) Not good. What is missing to get this fixed? Well There are two mirror changes. I suspect that scc will need to become operational, before amd64 is added to ftp-master. The scc change is a big change and certainly has te potential to break things, including offical mirrors. So this change will likely be delayed as long as possible. Until amd64 is made an official architecture it would be nonsensical to allow dinstall (or is it katie?) to accept packages for amd64. > If not, is there any upload queue dedicated at them? Nope. Well. Yes (again). But only about 5 people are allowed to upload there, plus one script that syncs the source from Debian. So you dont need to upload there. So, I guess I have no choice but building packages in a i386 chroot, right? I would assume that it was fairly ovbious that the binary upload would need to be for an offical arcitecture, which amd64 is not (yet). In fact, it is probably not reccomended to be developing under a system that is not offically a debian system. (Although amd64 is a bit of a special case. I would not reccomend doing development for debian on an ubuntu system for example. Too much possibility of conflict.)
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And why would you need to do that? > > [This might sound harsh but it isn't ment as critizism] Is the > inconvenience of having a i386 chroot on your amd64 to build and > upload packages too much? You should have a chroot for building > packages anyway so what does it matter if it is 32bit or 64bit? I'm afraid, I don't like the tell-me-what-you-need-I'll-tell-you how-to-get-along-without-it kind of answers. I serves status quo, not progress. There are plenty of other relevant solutions that could have been setup already. > Once the source enters debian the amd64 archive will pick it up on the > next dinstall run and the buildd will build the packages. > > If you need more, e.g. to upload to stinkypete or in case of binNMUs > just ask in #debian-amd64 or, if it becomes more frequent, request a > ssh login to the amd64 queue. Noted. Thanks. -- Jérôme Marant
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
"=?iso-8859-15?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Marant?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:10:37PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: >>> Quoting Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> > * Jérôme Marant: >>> > > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? >>> > >>> > amd64 is not yet part of the archive. It depends on the so-called >>> > "mirror split". >>> >>> I guess so, but I haven't seen any status update about this. >>> Are there even people working on it? >> >> Apparently so: >> >> http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/11/16#2005-11-16-dak > > So we need to give some bucks now, in order to get things implemented? ;-) > > Thanks to Antony for his dedication. > > However, wouldn't it be nice to setup a temporary solution for those > who'd like to upload amd64 packages? > > -- > Jérôme Marant And why would you need to do that? [This might sound harsh but it isn't ment as critizism] Is the inconvenience of having a i386 chroot on your amd64 to build and upload packages too much? You should have a chroot for building packages anyway so what does it matter if it is 32bit or 64bit? Once the source enters debian the amd64 archive will pick it up on the next dinstall run and the buildd will build the packages. If you need more, e.g. to upload to stinkypete or in case of binNMUs just ask in #debian-amd64 or, if it becomes more frequent, request a ssh login to the amd64 queue. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:10:37PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: >> Quoting Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > * Jérôme Marant: >> > > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? >> > >> > amd64 is not yet part of the archive. It depends on the so-called >> > "mirror split". >> >> I guess so, but I haven't seen any status update about this. >> Are there even people working on it? > > Apparently so: > > http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/11/16#2005-11-16-dak So we need to give some bucks now, in order to get things implemented? ;-) Thanks to Antony for his dedication. However, wouldn't it be nice to setup a temporary solution for those who'd like to upload amd64 packages? -- Jérôme Marant
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I guess so, but I haven't seen any status update about this. >> Are there even people working on it? > > According to what I've heard, it's not so much an issue of "working on > it", but simply "doing it", i.e. something in the scale of a 30-minute > configuration change. > > The mirror split is also a release blocker (see the last update from > the release team), so I'm sure that quite a few people are already > pushing towards a resultion. However, as it is more and more common > in Debian, the people who care most about a problem have insufficient > privilege to implement a solution. Considering that a growing number of developers own AMD64 systems, wouldn't it be better to setup a temporary solution, like an amd64 upload queue? -- Jérôme Marant
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Lionel Elie Mamane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:09:03PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: >> Quoting Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Jérôme Marant schrieb: > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? > >>> No. > If not, is there any upload queue dedicated at them? > >>> Nope. > >> So, I guess I have no choice but building packages in a i386 chroot, >> right? > > I'd be willing to give you shell access to a sparc machine to build > your packages. Thank you, but why would I need a sparc machine to build my packages? -- Jérôme Marant
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:09:03PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Quoting Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Jérôme Marant schrieb: >>> Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? >> No. >>> If not, is there any upload queue dedicated at them? >> Nope. > So, I guess I have no choice but building packages in a i386 chroot, > right? I'd be willing to give you shell access to a sparc machine to build your packages. -- Lionel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:10:37PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Quoting Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > * Jérôme Marant: > > > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? > > > > amd64 is not yet part of the archive. It depends on the so-called > > "mirror split". > > I guess so, but I haven't seen any status update about this. > Are there even people working on it? Apparently so: http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/11/16#2005-11-16-dak -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
* Jérôme Marant: > Quoting Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> * Jérôme Marant: >> >> > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? >> >> amd64 is not yet part of the archive. It depends on the so-called >> "mirror split". > > I guess so, but I haven't seen any status update about this. > Are there even people working on it? According to what I've heard, it's not so much an issue of "working on it", but simply "doing it", i.e. something in the scale of a 30-minute configuration change. The mirror split is also a release blocker (see the last update from the release team), so I'm sure that quite a few people are already pushing towards a resultion. However, as it is more and more common in Debian, the people who care most about a problem have insufficient privilege to implement a solution.
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Quoting Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Jérôme Marant: > > > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? > > amd64 is not yet part of the archive. It depends on the so-called > "mirror split". I guess so, but I haven't seen any status update about this. Are there even people working on it? -- Jérôme Marant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Quoting Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Jérôme Marant schrieb: > > > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? > > No. > Well. Yes. Of course you can upload. They just get rejected. :) Not good. What is missing to get this fixed? > > If not, is there any upload queue dedicated at them? > > Nope. > Well. Yes (again). But only about 5 people are allowed to upload there, > plus one script that syncs the source from Debian. So you dont need to > upload there. So, I guess I have no choice but building packages in a i386 chroot, right? Thanks. -- Jérôme Marant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
Jérôme Marant schrieb: > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? No. Well. Yes. Of course you can upload. They just get rejected. :) > If not, is there any upload queue dedicated at them? Nope. Well. Yes (again). But only about 5 people are allowed to upload there, plus one script that syncs the source from Debian. So you dont need to upload there. -- bye Joerg
Re: Uploading amd64 packages
* Jérôme Marant: > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? amd64 is not yet part of the archive. It depends on the so-called "mirror split".
