Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-14 Thread James R. Van Zandt


Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

James R. Van Zandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'd sure like a mechanism, with either email or a browser, to get a
 list of the bugs registered against a particular package. 

What about http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/ix/packages.html?

Currently, that page is 187k.

Joey's idea is closer to what I had in mind:

   package=your-package
   lynx http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/pa/l${package}.html

I have now installed this script in /usr/local/bin/bugsin:

   lynx http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/pa/l$1.html

Thanks!

- Jim Van Zandt


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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-13 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:

: What will you record as fixing-version ?

If we reorganize the server the way I've been discussing recently, this 
problem would go away... because no package could ever get into a stable 
tree without going through unstable... one version stream should be enough.

If we persist in managing the archive as we have been for the last year or so,
you are correct that recording the version that closes a bug is problematic.

Bdale


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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-13 Thread Martin Schulze
On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 01:01:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
 I'd like to offload some of the admin stuff for the bug system.
 
 I don't know how Guy (the other admin of the bug system) feels, but
 I'd like to reduce the amount of time I spend running the bug system.

As there were enough people there is no need for another one but
fwiw I'd also be willing to help in cases something needs to be
done.  I'm mainly speaking of small/quick admin tasks not the
longterm ones.  (for the record)

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-13 Thread Richard Braakman
Bdale Garbee wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
 
 : What will you record as fixing-version ?

 If we reorganize the server the way I've been discussing recently, this 
 problem would go away... because no package could ever get into a stable 
 tree without going through unstable... one version stream should be enough.

I think there will still be a need for back-patching versions in the
'stable' tree.  Consider a situation with xfree86 3.3 in 'stable' and
xfree86 3.4 in 'unstable'.  A security bug is found in the wrapper we
use, and has to be fixed in both.  We will have to offer the people
who use 'stable' a way to secure their versions without having to
upgrade to xfree86 3.4.

However, since such cases will (one hopes :) be rare, it should be
sufficient if the bug system has an escape hatch for such cases.
And it will have one, since there is no need to do away with the
unconditional close bugreport, and that can be used for such
backpatches.

Security bugfixes are normally tracked pretty closely on their way
through the archive anyway.

 If we persist in managing the archive as we have been for the last
 year or so, you are correct that recording the version that closes a
 bug is problematic.

A more complicated scheme might still be useful.  If a bug is fixed in
version 1.5, that does not mean that version 1.0 has the problems --
perhaps the bug wasn't introduced until version 1.3.

Thus, it would be nice if the system could handle ranges of version
numbers as an option.

Alternately, such ranges could be keyed to distributions.  This bug
is fixed by version 1.5, but it only existed in unstable.  It's
probably safe to assume that the earlier buggy versions are not going
to make it into stable.  I think this method is less robust, though.

Richard Braakman


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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-13 Thread James R. Van Zandt

Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Where should I start?

I'd sure like a mechanism, with either email or a browser, to get a
list of the bugs registered against a particular package.  It would
help cut down duplicate bug reports.  Now, I'm forced to download a
list of *all* the bugs.

   - Jim Van Zandt


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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-13 Thread Martin Schulze
On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 11:24:21PM -0400, James R. Van Zandt wrote:
 
 Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Where should I start?
 
 I'd sure like a mechanism, with either email or a browser, to get a
 list of the bugs registered against a particular package.  It would
 help cut down duplicate bug reports.  Now, I'm forced to download a
 list of *all* the bugs.

Isn't there a search function to get the particular package?

Anyway, I guess you come with a little knowledge about programming,
yes?

package=your-package
lynx http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/pa/l${package}.html

And you're done.

Next thing please.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-13 Thread Steve Dunham
James R. Van Zandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'd sure like a mechanism, with either email or a browser, to get a
 list of the bugs registered against a particular package.  It would
 help cut down duplicate bug reports.  Now, I'm forced to download a
 list of *all* the bugs.

What about http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/ix/packages.html?


Steve
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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-11 Thread Johnie Ingram

Bdale == Bdale Garbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Bdale Perl5 now.  However, he got really over-zealous and changed a
Bdale lot of other things, too, so that I'm sure how well what he did
Bdale would transfer back.

Heh, that's unavoidable when adapting the system for use at a NOC or
Helpdesk -- some bug-tracking assumptions aren't configurable yet.
:-)

Bdale Having said that, if someone is going to do work to package the
Bdale bug tracking system and would like a copy of what he did to
Bdale review, I can try and scrape the pieces together...

I would love to see them.

Bdale My personal wish-list for the bug system is pretty short.  I would

Also its been suggested that the BTS not delete bugs, but store them
in some kind of long-term archive.   Full-text searching couldn't hurt
either.  :-)


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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org (fwd)

1998-06-11 Thread M.C. Vernon
Dear all,

I replied to this as well, but didn't cc to the list. Here is the
original message for reference.

Matthew

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:31:23 +0100 (BST)
From: M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 1. Reading and responding to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail.  Usually this
 is routine, and just means you have to mail people saying `you sent
 this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] when [EMAIL PROTECTED] was not the right place'.  
 Many
 messages are followups of various kinds to bug reports, and there are
 occasional messages with instructions for [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent there
 too.  This is not a technically skilled job, but some familiarity with
 the Debian Project's organisation would be necessary.

Ian,

I'll do this if you like, but: 
1)My connectivity over the summer vac is slow
2)I don't claim to be a technical wizard of any description
3)You might not want a student doing that sort of official stuff

But yes, I am quite happy to give it a go.

HTH,

Matthew

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-11 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:

: Also its been suggested that the BTS not delete bugs, but store them
: in some kind of long-term archive.   Full-text searching couldn't hurt
: either.  :-)

The approach we used at work is that bug closure causes the file to get moved
to a different directory... so, in effect, there's a database of open bugs
and a database of closed bugs.  Maybe not optimal, but simple to implement.

The biggest feature-creeps are that we take serious advantage of Apache's 
server-side include features, which cuts down drastically on the amount of
file-whacking in the database... and we don't batch processing, we do each
request as it arrives.  The combination allow us to have near-instant
gratification on bug status changes showing up on the web pages, without
driving the resource requirements on the server way up. 

Bdale


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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-11 Thread Santiago Vila
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On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Bdale Garbee wrote:

 [...] and we don't batch processing, we do each request as it arrives.

Yes! Please! [ Bug #14650: The bug system is a little bit slow ]

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-11 Thread Yann Dirson
Bdale Garbee writes:
  My personal wish-list for the bug system is pretty short.  I would really 
  like
  it if the process of closing a bug recorded the version of the package that
  supposedly fixed the bug.

That may not be so simple:  think of package dummy_1.2-3 in hamm, and
dummy_2.3-4 in slink only because of the freeze.  One bug is
discovered which affects both, and gets fixed in 1.2-4 and 2.3-5.
What will you record as fixing-version ?  1.2-4 is definitely wrong as
2.3-4 is buggy; 2.3-5 is highly suboptimal, and makes the info useless
:(

This reminds me of a recent suggestion of mine (An idea for the BTS
(Was: Weeding out slink bug reports), debian-devel@lists.debian.org
archive/latest/6227) to really add support for distributions in the
BTS.  Nobody seems interested in talking about that, though...

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-11 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 3. Obviously additional development of the bug system would be good.
 This can be done either by the person doing 2., or independently.
 In any case the patches generated need to be sent upstream to me.

I'm interested in taking a look at this. I don't want to promise
anything until I'm reasonably certain I understand how you've laid out
the code [I'm still stumped by dpkg, to the point where I'm not even
sure how to form reasonable questions, but I think I know a fair bit
about the mechanisms I'd expect in the bug system].

Where should I start?

i don't think i can do much, but i'm willing to look at changes,
give comments, test etc. 
i'm diging in the bug system, as i try to install it on bugs.kde.org ...
(maybe it was not wise to ask will i ever get an answer of my bug report ?).

andreas


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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-10 Thread Jules Bean
Put me down as a 'volunteer of last resort'.

There are other debian related tasks I'd rather do, probably, but if no
one else steps up, I will fill any of the above roles.  I probably have
the necessary expertise (I know perl4/5 well, I understand m4, I know SMTP
related issues reasonably well).

Yours,

Jules Bean

[I'm not *actually* a maintainer yet, but my new-maintainer application is
going off in about 10 minutes...]

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-10 Thread Bob Hilliard
 I will volunteer to work on:

1. Reading and responding to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail, and 
2. Actual administration and maintenance of the bug system (to the
extent of my capabilities - I will yell quickly if I get stuck).

 I would prefer to share these functions with someone else, since
I will be unavailable for several weeks during the summer.

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 02:31:10PM -0400, Bob Hilliard wrote:
  I will volunteer to work on:
 
 1. Reading and responding to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail, and 
 2. Actual administration and maintenance of the bug system (to the
 extent of my capabilities - I will yell quickly if I get stuck).
 
  I would prefer to share these functions with someone else, since
 I will be unavailable for several weeks during the summer.

I'm willing to share the work with Bob, although my capabilities of
administration will be limited (but hopefully growing :)

Marcus

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-10 Thread Raul Miller
Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 3. Obviously additional development of the bug system would be good.
 This can be done either by the person doing 2., or independently.
 In any case the patches generated need to be sent upstream to me.

I'm interested in taking a look at this. I don't want to promise
anything until I'm reasonably certain I understand how you've laid out
the code [I'm still stumped by dpkg, to the point where I'm not even
sure how to form reasonable questions, but I think I know a fair bit
about the mechanisms I'd expect in the bug system].

Where should I start?

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-10 Thread Yann Dirson
Ian Jackson writes:
  Current tasks include:
* Indices of bugs by submitter.
* Implement `interested list' for each bug.
* Given `interested list', a way to submit a bug that puts you on
  the interested list, so that you get notified of any status change
  and not just closure.

What about another one:  building a deb of it ?  I would be of
interest to people basing a new dist on Debian - it would also make it
easy for people willing to study it and submit small patches (eg. the
Fixed severity)

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-10 Thread Johnie Ingram

Yann == Yann Dirson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Yann What about another one: building a deb of it ?  I would be of
Yann interest to people basing a new dist on Debian - it would also
Yann make it easy for people willing to study it and submit small
Yann patches (eg. the Fixed severity)

I've had it packaged since the first week of January, actually -- just
never uploaded it because its too flaky even when using its own copy
of perl4 (included with the package, stolen from Ian's home dir).  It
seems that two files, process and errorlib, need to be rewritten to
work with modern perls.

Unfortunately I've never found time to do this.

But 99% of the time debbugs works as intended, and it was easily
twisted to my own purposes:

http://www.tln.org/Tickets/

From what I've seen, RedHat needs something like debbugs bad.  :-)


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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-10 Thread David Welton
On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 06:08:36PM -0300, Johnie Ingram wrote:

 From what I've seen, RedHat needs something like debbugs bad.  :-)

They now have something.  I'm not sure about the quality, or the
backend, but.. they recently instituted a bug tracking system.

http://www.developer.redhat.com/bugs/index.phtml

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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-10 Thread Johnie Ingram

David == David Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

David They now have something.  I'm not sure about the quality, or
David the backend, but.. they recently instituted a bug tracking
David system.

Hehe, I've seen it, and thats what I mean.  :-)


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Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org

1998-06-10 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:

: I've had it packaged since the first week of January, actually -- just
: never uploaded it because its too flaky even when using its own copy
: of perl4 (included with the package, stolen from Ian's home dir).  It
: seems that two files, process and errorlib, need to be rewritten to
: work with modern perls.

I had one of the folks who works for me at HP adapt the bug system to the 
needs of the small support group I manage.  He fixed a bunch of these 
problems, so that it's entirely based on Perl5 now.  However, he got really 
over-zealous and changed a lot of other things, too, so that I'm sure how
well what he did would transfer back.

Having said that, if someone is going to do work to package the bug tracking
system and would like a copy of what he did to review, I can try and scrape 
the pieces together...


My personal wish-list for the bug system is pretty short.  I would really like
it if the process of closing a bug recorded the version of the package that
supposedly fixed the bug.  There would of course need to be special case
handling for pseudo-packages like ftp.debian.org, where the date might be
a good substitute.  Having this additional information would allow us to know
what bugs exist against different releases, by looking at the package version
information...

Bdale


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