Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
John Goerzen wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:09:54PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote: ciol wrote: The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's difficult to see the links. The... err... issue is that these services (snapshots, volatile, backports) are not official project's projects yet and also quite new, hence, not integrated in the current stable installer. It is discussed to change this though. You are correct, though, that they're not widely announced. As it is, it is unclear to me who is building those packages, of what quality they are, and what kind of security support they are receiving. It's Debian developers. They're updated occasionally. Security updates are pulled into both archives in similar timeframes like security.debian.org, sometimes even faster since not that many architectures are involved. Regards, Joey -- Have you ever noticed that General Public Licence contains the word Pub? Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 10:26:22AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: [volatile and backports] As it is, it is unclear to me who is building those packages, of what quality they are, and what kind of security support they are receiving. Volatile was set up by Andreas Barth, and is maintained by Andreas and Martin Zobel-Helas. Both are Debian Developers; in fact, since the time that Joey left the job open, both have now become our Stable Release Managers. Software for volatile is autobuilt on the same 'unofficial' buildd setup as the one for experimental. I call it 'unofficial' because it's not hosted on any debian.org machine, but the reality is that the people maintaining these machines have to adhere to the same standards as the ones maintaining the official network (i.e., they're all DDs). Backports was set up by Norbert Tretkowski. The published policy is that only packages that have made it into testing will be allowed on backports.org; and people with a keyring in the Debian keyring can upload packages there -- nobody else. Builds for backports are done by the same unofficial setup as the one for volatile and experimental, though at least m68k is not autobuilt for backports (since I (a) don't have the hardware, and (b) don't have the time to maintain yet another buildd host. Interested people are welcome to volunteer, provided they're DDs). -- Lo-lan-do Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
To make the picture more complete, not only desktop needs current software. The Debian on server lacks sometimes too. Few examples: PHP5, bunch of Clamav-related packages for proxy and mail interaction, Squid3. They're in Etch, however if released as official update of Debian, should do. If update release of Debian has taken place only in half of the regular update cycle (after 9 months), it would be of great help sometimes. Of course, some more recent kernel should take place there too. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
* Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:05]: To make the picture more complete, not only desktop needs current software. The Debian on server lacks sometimes too. Few examples: PHP5, bunch of Clamav-related packages for proxy and mail interaction, Squid3. They're in Etch, however if released as official update of Debian, should do. Clamav is in volatile, php5 in backports, haven't checked squid3. If update release of Debian has taken place only in half of the regular update cycle (after 9 months), it would be of great help sometimes. Of course, some more recent kernel should take place there too. Whoo no way! I don't want to updated my servers more than once 18-24 months. I don't need php5, specs says php4 and php5, squid does it's job very good and clamav from volatile rounds the package up. You don't run a lot of servers if you want to update them more frequently. yours Martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux - The Universal Operating System yath lol, mein feuermelder ist dausicher yath im batteriefach unter der batterie steht yath WARNUNG: BATTERIE ENTFERNT -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoo no way! I don't want to updated my servers more than once 18-24 months. I don't need php5, specs says php4 and php5, squid does it's job very good and clamav from volatile rounds the package up. Then don't. The problem for people like you is not more too frequent releases but too short support for past releases. You don't run a lot of servers if you want to update them more frequently. You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many different packages more recent than a couple of years. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
Martin Wuertele wrote: Clamav is in volatile, php5 in backports, haven't checked squid3. The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's difficult to see the links. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] You don't run a lot of servers if you want to update them more frequently. You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many different packages more recent than a couple of years. Sure you do, if the new version has a feature that your application needs, would make things simpler for the developers, would make things simpler for you, etc, etc. For example: Stable has PostgreSQL v7.4, but v8.x have features *needed* by Very Large Databases: - Improved SMP Performance - Table Partitioning - 64-bit Shared Memory - Faster Aggregates - Tablespaces - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE8sshS9HxQb37XmcRApnDAKCJOb58Rq1XQtIHudBvSI9JqQ0F4gCgiCmB m2EJMTXLYSnKnXUZtp0TmFo= =viPw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:35]: You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many different packages more recent than a couple of years. That's when backports and chroots comes in. yours Martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux - The Universal Operating System macan I think I should take a shower and sleep fatalerror macan, I totally agree -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many different packages more recent than a couple of years. That's when backports and chroots comes in. Backports have dubious quality and do not get real security support. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
ciol wrote: Clamav is in volatile, php5 in backports, haven't checked squid3. ... squid3 is in *gosh* testing. The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's difficult to see the links. The... err... issue is that these services (snapshots, volatile, backports) are not official project's projects yet and also quite new, hence, not integrated in the current stable installer. It is discussed to change this though. You are correct, though, that they're not widely announced. Regards, Joey -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:09:54PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote: ciol wrote: The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's difficult to see the links. The... err... issue is that these services (snapshots, volatile, backports) are not official project's projects yet and also quite new, hence, not integrated in the current stable installer. It is discussed to change this though. You are correct, though, that they're not widely announced. If they would become official projects, with official and default support -- including security and installer support -- I would be a lot happier. As it is, it is unclear to me who is building those packages, of what quality they are, and what kind of security support they are receiving. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
