Re: [tex-live] Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
Reinhard Kotucha wrote: >>"Kevin" == Kevin B McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I'm very sorry to hear that my inquiry resulted in the removal of > > XyMTeX from TeXLive. :-( It is a really useful tool. > > > Let's hope that when Dr. Shinsaku considers XyMTeX more polished, > > he'll reconsider the license. > > Don't be so pessimistic. Obviously he is not satisfied with the > current version and I have the impression that he is still working on > it and will change the license when he thinks the software is good > enough. I'm sorry, I didn't intend that to sound at all cynical or snarky. I really do hope he will reconsider the XyMTeX license eventually (I am using XyMTeX in my thesis), and I say that without making any guess (optimistic or pessimistic) of the probability of that occurring. > Isn't it nice to hear that his major concern is the quality of his > software? It is nice, but one can argue that the quality would improve faster if it was easily available to a wider audience capable of providing bug reports and code -- say, the users of Debian and TeX Live. :-) regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [tex-live] Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
[Hans Hagen] > how about a package (zip or rpm) with 'goodies'; since user are > willing to install other non-free stuff (acrobat reader and such) > they probably also hav eno problems with les-free goodies It's not OK to violate someone's copyright just because users don't mind things which are not free software. If he wants nobody except CTAN to distribute his package, let it be so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [tex-live] Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
Reinhard Kotucha wrote: "Kevin" == Kevin B McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm very sorry to hear that my inquiry resulted in the removal of > XyMTeX from TeXLive. :-( It is a really useful tool. > Let's hope that when Dr. Shinsaku considers XyMTeX more polished, > he'll reconsider the license. Don't be so pessimistic. Obviously he is not satisfied with the current version and I have the impression that he is still working on it and will change the license when he thinks the software is good enough. Isn't it nice to hear that his major concern is the quality of his software? And there is plenty of time until TeXLive-2006 will be released. It is good that you asked Karl to clear the copyright. I don't think that Dr. Shinsaku will be more motivated when he sees that his copyright is ignored. i agree with this; since there are users of his macros out there, dropping may also lead to surprises, frustration, unneccessary support requests etc how about a package (zip or rpm) with 'goodies'; since user are willing to install other non-free stuff (acrobat reader and such) they probably also hav eno problems with les-free goodies (previous tex collections shipped with texmf-extra that has such things) Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [tex-live] Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
> "Kevin" == Kevin B McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm very sorry to hear that my inquiry resulted in the removal of > XyMTeX from TeXLive. :-( It is a really useful tool. > Let's hope that when Dr. Shinsaku considers XyMTeX more polished, > he'll reconsider the license. Don't be so pessimistic. Obviously he is not satisfied with the current version and I have the impression that he is still working on it and will change the license when he thinks the software is good enough. Isn't it nice to hear that his major concern is the quality of his software? And there is plenty of time until TeXLive-2006 will be released. It is good that you asked Karl to clear the copyright. I don't think that Dr. Shinsaku will be more motivated when he sees that his copyright is ignored. Regards, Reinhard -- Reinhard Kotucha Phone: +49-511-4592165 Marschnerstr. 25 D-30167 Hannover mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft isn't the answer. Microsoft is the question, and the answer is NO. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [tex-live] Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
"Kevin B. McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Karl Berry wrote: >> Regretfully, Dr. Shinsaku unambiguously replied to me that he wishes to >> restrict XyMTeX distribution. So I'll be taking it out of TeX Live for >> next year. > > I'm very sorry to hear that my inquiry resulted in the removal of XyMTeX > from TeXLive. :-( Your inquiry resulted in Dr. Shinsaku's wishes being heeded. That's nothing to be sorry for. It is a pity that such are his wishes, but that certainly is not a fault of yours. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [tex-live] Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
On Don, 01 Dez 2005, Karl Berry wrote: > Regretfully, Dr. Shinsaku unambiguously replied to me that he wishes to > restrict XyMTeX distribution. So I'll be taking it out of TeX Live for > next year. Thanks Karl for asking. I am rebuilding texlive debian packages now without xymtex. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die from asphyxiation in deep space that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.' `Why, what did she tell you?' `I don't know, I didn't listen.' --- Arthur coping with certain death as best as he could. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
Karl Berry wrote: > Regretfully, Dr. Shinsaku unambiguously replied to me that he wishes to > restrict XyMTeX distribution. So I'll be taking it out of TeX Live for > next year. I'm very sorry to hear that my inquiry resulted in the removal of XyMTeX from TeXLive. :-( It is a really useful tool. Let's hope that when Dr. Shinsaku considers XyMTeX more polished, he'll reconsider the license. regards to all, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
Regretfully, Dr. Shinsaku unambiguously replied to me that he wishes to restrict XyMTeX distribution. So I'll be taking it out of TeX Live for next year. Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:16:29 +0900 From: Fujita Shinsaku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl Berry) Subject: Re: XyMTeX licensing Dear Dr. Berry Thank you for your announcement on XyMTeX. Because XyMTeX has not been fully developed and should be equipped with other additional functions, I wish to restrict the disturibution within personal use and CTAN distribution. > If that is truly what you intend, then we will regretfully have to > remove XyMTeX from TeX Live (and other free software distribution). So I think this conclusion would be inevitable under your policy. Sincerely Yours Shinsaku Fujita [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
Hi Norbert, I hope life after release of TL2005 has settled down a bit Well, just redirected into other areas :(. Interstingly, the files state something a bit different: A "license" statement clearly taken from tex.web, so I'm glad it is not considered nonfree :). we (actually Frank Küster suggested this) would like you to ask him again about the license condition, Ok, I will ask him. Cheers, karl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
