Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
Hamish == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hamish On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:16:38PM +1100, Brian May wrote: Programs like reportbug, netscape, err I mean Mozilla, etc, wouldn't have to be manually configured for a default MUA. Nor would these programs have to support every MUA on the planet. Have a look at /etc/reportbug.conf for a sample of what I am talking about. Hamish I looked at that configuration file. It appeared to me Hamish that there was enough info in there for reportbug just to Hamish use /usr/sbin/sendmail to deliver it, rather than using an Hamish MUA at all. How do you enter a bug report using an MTA??? I think you mean you use an editor to edit it first, which IMHO is a very primitive implementation of an MUA. ie, you can't edit the message to add a 'X-Debbugs-CC' header, for instance. Nor can you add MIME attachments either (not that the BTS really supports MIME messages properly, but IMHO thats another bug). -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 02:46:53PM +1100, Brian May wrote: I think you mean you use an editor to edit it first, which IMHO is a very primitive implementation of an MUA. ie, you can't edit the message to add a 'X-Debbugs-CC' header, for instance. Nor can you add MIME attachments either (not that the BTS really supports MIME messages properly, but IMHO thats another bug). OK, fair point. I am use to bug's interface. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
Gerfried Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, on the other hand, if you have any packages that are using hard coded pagers, editors or so into it's rc files waste a thought about changing it to the alternatives name ``pager'' and ``editor''. I really think that this should be a little more used so the people know about it and also use it... It's already a bug if packages don't. :) See policy section 5.4 for clarification of this - if (as a package maintainer) you aren't also checking the $EDITOR and $PAGER environment variables, and can't easily do so, then you should use /usr/bin/sensible-editor and /usr/bin/sensible-pager instead. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:16:28PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: In Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:10:32 +1100 Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] cum veritate scripsit : I looked at that configuration file. It appeared to me that there was enough info in there for reportbug just to use /usr/sbin/sendmail to deliver it, rather than using an MUA at all. Some people do not have sendmail. I use imput for internet mail, and sendmail only reaches my local network. Maybe I'm weird. Well, /usr/sbin/sendmail should be a link or wrapper for your MTA. On my system it is a symbolic link to exim. You don't have to actually use sendmail. Now if your /usr/sbin/sendmail can't actually deliver real mail, then that's a weird setup.. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
In Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:10:32 +1100 Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] cum veritate scripsit : I looked at that configuration file. It appeared to me that there was enough info in there for reportbug just to use /usr/sbin/sendmail to deliver it, rather than using an MUA at all. Some people do not have sendmail. I use imput for internet mail, and sendmail only reaches my local network. Maybe I'm weird. regards, junichi -- University: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Netfort: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dancer, a.k.a. Junichi Uekawa http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer Dept. of Knowledge Engineering and Computer Science, Doshisha University. ... Long Live Free Software, LIBERTAS OMNI VINCIT. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Junichi Uekawa wrote: In Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:10:32 +1100 Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] cum veritate scripsit : I looked at that configuration file. It appeared to me that there was enough info in there for reportbug just to use /usr/sbin/sendmail to deliver it, rather than using an MUA at all. Some people do not have sendmail. I use imput for internet mail, and sendmail only reaches my local network. I don't have sendmail; I have exim. However, I *do* have /usr/sbin/sendmail. Perhaps imput should have a /usr/sbin/sendmail - compatible wrapper? Perhaps it already does? Maybe I'm weird. No comment :-) Paul Slootman -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wurtel.demon.nl/ work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.murphy.nl/ debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ isdn4linux: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.isdn4linux.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
Gerfried == Gerfried Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gerfried On 05 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do most mail readers have the same command line interface? Perhaps, but I really doubt that news readers do. Gerfried *scratches* Uhm, right, I haven't thought about that Gerfried *damnit* It sounded so good when it came to my mind, Gerfried though... How about defining a standard interface and using wrapper scripts to convert the parameters? Surely, it couldn't be too difficult, there are only a limited number of parameters: eg: to, cc, subject, body would be enough, I think, even for programs like bug and reportbug. Only problem might be MUAs that don't support all of these parameters. If thats the case, then fix the MUA. I think it would be worth doing something like the above, just for netscape, reportbug, and bug. As for the update-alternatives: I think a better method would be something like that used for EDITOR - IIRC users can override the default choice with an environment variable. Andreas == Andreas Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas And then, there is gnus. I have never been able to call gnus satisfactorily from an external program. I always get annoying side affects - eg.\ the new message appears in *2 frames*: the current gnus frame *and* a new frame. There is no need to use two frames, and it only adds to the clutter of windows I already have on my desktop. If only it would leave the current frame alone, and it would be OK. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:20:12AM +1100, Brian May wrote: How about defining a standard interface and using wrapper scripts to convert the parameters? OK, but what problem are we trying to solve with this solution? ie what is the advantage of /etc/alternatives for MUAs anyway? Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
Hamish == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hamish On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:20:12AM +1100, Brian May wrote: How about defining a standard interface and using wrapper scripts to convert the parameters? Hamish OK, but what problem are we trying to solve with this Hamish solution? ie what is the advantage of /etc/alternatives Hamish for MUAs anyway? Programs like reportbug, netscape, err I mean Mozilla, etc, wouldn't have to be manually configured for a default MUA. Nor would these programs have to support every MUA on the planet. Have a look at /etc/reportbug.conf for a sample of what I am talking about. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:16:38PM +1100, Brian May wrote: Programs like reportbug, netscape, err I mean Mozilla, etc, wouldn't have to be manually configured for a default MUA. Nor would these programs have to support every MUA on the planet. Have a look at /etc/reportbug.conf for a sample of what I am talking about. I looked at that configuration file. It appeared to me that there was enough info in there for reportbug just to use /usr/sbin/sendmail to deliver it, rather than using an MUA at all. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:52:51PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Now there doesn't seem to be an alternative for the MUAs or the NUAs. I'd really like to have that in there so that packages like pinfo or muttzilla (just for an example) could work out of the box without needing to twitch with the configuration files. I think that would be a good thing, don't you think so? I don't think that works; /etc/alternatives only works for commands with compatible interfaces. Do most mail readers have the same command line interface? Perhaps, but I really doubt that news readers do. Cheers Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
Today, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do most mail readers have the same command line interface? Perhaps, but I really doubt that news readers do. Not even mail readers do, AFAIK. Console readers have the mail(1) interface to stick to, but if it comes to an x MUA... It would really be helpful if all NUAs and MUAs would understand mailto: and nntp:// URLs. And then, there is gnus. regards, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On 05 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do most mail readers have the same command line interface? Perhaps, but I really doubt that news readers do. *scratches* Uhm, right, I haven't thought about that *damnit* It sounded so good when it came to my mind, though... On the other hand - I haven't received either mine or Hamish's Mail on that topic yet, just Andreas' response? Uhm, I wonder what else I might have missed? So long! Alfie -- Die meisten Menschen pflegen im Kindesalter vom Zeigen auf Gegenstände (Mausbewegung) und ga sagen (Mausklick) abzukommen, zugunsten eines mächtigeren und langwierig zu erlernenden Tools (Sprache). -- Achim Linder in de.comp.os.linux.misc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
