Re: baz and tla

2005-06-07 Thread Miles Bader
"Benj. Mako Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Without going down a semantic rathole, I'm happy to disagree here. In
> any case, it was meant more of a good-natured (if slightly vicious)
> jab against a program I love and am very critical of. I apologize if
> it came out wrong.

Er, no problem.  I admit I pretty much ignore emoticons these days, as
many people seem to have the idea that "If I add a smiley, I can say
whatever I want!"

-Miles
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Re: baz and tla

2005-06-07 Thread Benj. Mako Hill

> "Benj. Mako Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> IMHO, it's a bug if it doesn't work efficiently without specialized
> >> assistance from shell completions.
> >
> > Absolutely. The fact that such a workaround is essential is a sign of
> > serious problem. :) tla has those in force. :)
> 
> Geez can you be a bit more trollish?

It was meant to be good natured -- hence the emoticons.

> Personally I value the actual functionality more than the CLI because I
> can easily (trivially) work around the latter, but not the former.

So do I. That's why I use tla and baz and advocate it others. I've
moved all of my archives to tla or baz and have trouble using anything
else.

> In other words, it's not a "serious problem."

Without going down a semantic rathole, I'm happy to disagree here. In
any case, it was meant more of a good-natured (if slightly vicious)
jab against a program I love and am very critical of. I apologize if
it came out wrong.

Regards,
Mako


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Re: baz and tla

2005-06-07 Thread Miles Bader
"Benj. Mako Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> IMHO, it's a bug if it doesn't work efficiently without specialized
>> assistance from shell completions.
>
> Absolutely. The fact that such a workaround is essential is a sign of
> serious problem. :) tla has those in force. :)

Geez can you be a bit more trollish?

Personally I value the actual functionality more than the CLI because I
can easily (trivially) work around the latter, but not the former.  In
other words, it's not a "serious problem."

[And in fact I think tla's CLI is not particularly bad; the main problem
seems to be that it's _different_, and people tend to be conservative.]

-Miles
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Re: baz and tla

2005-06-07 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:

> 
> > On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:40:47AM -0400, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
> > > 
> > > > That sounds very nice indeed.  If that pans out, and you also fix the UI
> > > > issues (by which I mean I have to type approximately three times as many
> > > > characters to accomplish the same thing that I do in darcs), that would
> > > > be very nice.
> > >
> > > It blows my mind that people actually use tla or baz without very good
> > > shell completions. The lack of shell completions kept me from
> > > switching to baz for weeks. ;)
> >
> > IMHO, it's a bug if it doesn't work efficiently without specialized
> > assistance from shell completions.
>
> Absolutely. The fact that such a workaround is essential is a sign of
> serious problem. :) tla has those in force. :)
>
> > For my own part, I've found the tla completion support to generally be
> > buggy and not all that helpful.
>
> The zsh completions for tla has treated me quite well. Bazaar is
> moving fast enough that it breaks pretty frequently.

I had a perl script that parsed tla --help output to produce bash completions.
Was rather complete on the completions it supported(per-command
options/values, etc).


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