Re: debian-installer beta 1
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 10:42:11PM +0100, David Weinehall wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:52:32AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > > > > 1. Linux 2.6.0? > > Not released yet. Yes, it has a _lot_ of nice features, but it is beta > software.. It (or patches to 2.4.22) is also needed if you decide to buy a modern machine right now. I've had to dig up an old plain IDE disk to stage a Linux install to my dual SATA drives in my new machine. Otherwise the beta installer worked fine. The strange thing with SATA support is that I couldn't get the modules in debian's 2.6.0-test9 kernel to recognize my drives, but a self compiled 2.6.0-test9-bk19 kernel with the SATA drivers (for promise and via) compiled in did work. -- Bart.
Re: debian-installer beta 1
Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 18 Nov 2003 12:27:55 +0100 > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Busybox or busybox-cvs? > > The patch was against the head of busybox's cvs a couple of months ago, > which equates aproximately to busybox-cvs-1.0-pre3. > > > If the busybox-cvs maintainer isn't responsive contact upstream. > > I am a co-maintainer of busybox-cvs, and a memeber of upstream :) > > The reason i havent applied it is because i dont have a raid setup handy > to test it, i only tested it on a few loop files. > > Someone was going to test it, but i never heard back, so i also question > if it would get much use. If debian-installer wants to use it i will > make another effort at testing it. Ok, great. What exactly is the support for? D-I would need something to create the config, create the metadata (mdcreate was it?), mdrun and mdstop. Anything else? MfG Goswin
Re: debian-installer beta 1
On 18 Nov 2003 12:27:55 +0100 Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Busybox or busybox-cvs? The patch was against the head of busybox's cvs a couple of months ago, which equates aproximately to busybox-cvs-1.0-pre3. > If the busybox-cvs maintainer isn't responsive contact upstream. I am a co-maintainer of busybox-cvs, and a memeber of upstream :) The reason i havent applied it is because i dont have a raid setup handy to test it, i only tested it on a few loop files. Someone was going to test it, but i never heard back, so i also question if it would get much use. If debian-installer wants to use it i will make another effort at testing it. Glenn
Re: debian-installer beta 1
Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:38:53 + > Paul Hedderly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The inclusion of mdadm would at least enable people to go into a shell > > and setup their MD devices. Then all you'd need to do is make sure > > some basic MD options are on in the kernel. > > I put together a raid patch for busybox a couple of months ago, it hasnt > been included in busybox as it hasnt recieved much testing, ive only > tried it on a loop device. > > http://people.debian.org/~bug1/busybox/raidtools.bb.patch.bz2 Busybox or busybox-cvs? If the busybox-cvs maintainer isn't responsive contact upstream. MfG Goswin
Re: debian-installer beta 1
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:38:53 + Paul Hedderly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The inclusion of mdadm would at least enable people to go into a shell > and setup their MD devices. Then all you'd need to do is make sure > some basic MD options are on in the kernel. I put together a raid patch for busybox a couple of months ago, it hasnt been included in busybox as it hasnt recieved much testing, ive only tried it on a loop device. http://people.debian.org/~bug1/busybox/raidtools.bb.patch.bz2 Glenn
Re: debian-installer beta 1
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:44:27AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > "Julian Mehnle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Brian May wrote: > > > I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! > > > > > > I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: > > > [...] > > > 3. Software raid support? > > > > That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software RAID. No > > opinion about LVM-style RAID. > > My goal is lvm2 support but that needs different kernel-images which > are a pain to build for 11 archs. The same image would be needed for > low-mem installs (if we want to support <48MB ram systems) so there is > some incentive to build them. The inclusion of mdadm would at least enable people to go into a shell and setup their MD devices. Then all you'd need to do is make sure some basic MD options are on in the kernel. -- Paul >
RE: debian-installer beta 1
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Just ditch the ataraid crap, the only use for it is to share raid arrays > with MS Windows. That was my point. So I can't ditch the ATARAID crap. Sorry.
Re: debian-installer beta 1
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Julian Mehnle wrote: > Is "md RAID" (I don't know this one) compatible with ATARAID in regard of > the partition/storage layout on disks, i.e. can I use ATARAID drivers to > access "md RAID" disks and vice versa? I need this kind of compatibility > since I dual-boot Windows 2000 on the systems in question. No. It won't get you in a vendor lockin, and it is MUCH better performance-wise to boot. Just ditch the ataraid crap, the only use for it is to share raid arrays with MS Windows. You'll be much better off using the ataraid controllers as simple ata controllers, and using linux software raid (md raid). -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh
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Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Julian Mehnle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Is "md RAID" (I don't know this one) compatible with ATARAID in > > regard of the partition/storage layout on disks, i.e. can I use > > ATARAID drivers to access "md RAID" disks and vice versa? I need > > this kind of compatibility since I dual-boot Windows 2000 on the > > systems in question. > > Of cause not. [...] Thought so. So, I'll reiterate my original statement: Brian May wrote: > I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! > > I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: > [...] > 3. Software raid support? That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software RAID. No opinion about LVM-style RAID. ;-)
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"Julian Mehnle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Julian Mehnle wrote: > > > That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style > > > software RAID. No opinion about LVM-style RAID. > > > > Yuck (if by ATARAID you mean those PoS controllers from, e.g., Promise > > -- these are slow as a snail compared to md software RAID), and Yuck > > for LVM RAID too (slow, limited, cubersome). > > > > Good software RAID is md raid :) with LVM on top of it, of course. > > LVM is a good thing, if you do it right and never bother with > > 'striping' on the LVM layer. Do it in the md RAID layer (or hardware > > layer, for that matter). > > Is "md RAID" (I don't know this one) compatible with ATARAID in > regard of the partition/storage layout on disks, i.e. can I use > ATARAID drivers to access "md RAID" disks and vice versa? I need > this kind of compatibility since I dual-boot Windows 2000 on the > systems in question. > > PS: Please don't CC me when answering to the list. The "Reply-To" > header is just there for private replies. Of cause not. You need the host adapter specific ATARAID support (which is often far worse than the linux software raid). One could probably hack some lvm2 stuff together to access the drives but that would need the layout knowledge from the specific ATARAID driver. MfG Goswin
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Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Julian Mehnle wrote: > > That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style > > software RAID. No opinion about LVM-style RAID. > > Yuck (if by ATARAID you mean those PoS controllers from, e.g., Promise > -- these are slow as a snail compared to md software RAID), and Yuck > for LVM RAID too (slow, limited, cubersome). > > Good software RAID is md raid :) with LVM on top of it, of course. > LVM is a good thing, if you do it right and never bother with > 'striping' on the LVM layer. Do it in the md RAID layer (or hardware > layer, for that matter). Is "md RAID" (I don't know this one) compatible with ATARAID in regard of the partition/storage layout on disks, i.e. can I use ATARAID drivers to access "md RAID" disks and vice versa? I need this kind of compatibility since I dual-boot Windows 2000 on the systems in question. PS: Please don't CC me when answering to the list. The "Reply-To" header is just there for private replies.
Re: debian-installer beta 1
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Julian Mehnle wrote: > That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software RAID. No > opinion about LVM-style RAID. Yuck (if by ATARAID you mean those PoS controllers from, e.g., Promise -- these are slow as a snail compared to md software RAID), and Yuck for LVM RAID too (slow, limited, cubersome). Good software RAID is md raid :) with LVM on top of it, of course. LVM is a good thing, if you do it right and never bother with 'striping' on the LVM layer. Do it in the md RAID layer (or hardware layer, for that matter). -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh
Re: debian-installer beta 1
"Julian Mehnle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian May wrote: > > I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! > > > > I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: > > [...] > > 3. Software raid support? > > That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software RAID. No > opinion about LVM-style RAID. My goal is lvm2 support but that needs different kernel-images which are a pain to build for 11 archs. The same image would be needed for low-mem installs (if we want to support <48MB ram systems) so there is some incentive to build them. MfG Goswin
Re: debian-installer beta 1
Quoting Brian May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > 2. Grub instead of Lilo? Look closer.. :-) Using GRUB is possible, though LILO is the default. You just need to lower the debconf priority just to get some more questions.and main-menu entries.
RE: debian-installer beta 1
Brian May wrote: > I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! > > I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: > [...] > 3. Software raid support? That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software RAID. No opinion about LVM-style RAID.
Re: debian-installer beta 1
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:52:32AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:02:07AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the > > >new installation system for sarge. > > > > We want screenshots! > > I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! > > I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already > supported: > > 1. Linux 2.6.0? Not released yet. Yes, it has a _lot_ of nice features, but it is beta software.. > 2. Grub instead of Lilo? Yes please. > 3. Software raid support? No opinion. Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /) Northern lights wander (\ // Maintainer of the v2.0 kernel // Dance across the winter sky // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Full colour fire (/
Re: debian-installer beta 1
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:02:07AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the > >new installation system for sarge. > > We want screenshots! I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: 1. Linux 2.6.0? 2. Grub instead of Lilo? 3. Software raid support? -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: debian-installer beta 1
* Miquel van Smoorenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-10 00:02]: > >We are pleased to announce the first beta release of > >debian-installer, the new installation system for sarge. > > We want screenshots! http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=455&page=1 -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-installer beta 1
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 07:02:33PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the > new installation system for sarge. This first beta is for the following > architectures only: > > * i386. > * PowerPC, with support for the subarchitectures Apple Newworld, Pegasus ^^^ It's Pegasos, the pegasus is a USB<->ethernet adapter, or maybe a console clone in eastern eurpoean countries. > PPC and IBM RS/6000 (PrEP, CHREP). That said, i had the understanding that only Apple Newworld was going to be supported with the beta1 ? Or did you finally change minds and accept my kernel upload ? Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: debian-installer beta 1
* Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-10 03:41]: | Can you point me to the ISO? I tried burning the sarge netinst twice | but was never successful at installing Debian with it. what does this mean? You're unable to burn the iso, the cdrom's are corrupt? Or perhaps your have found an new bug in the debian-installer. Bye Thorsten -- Thorsten Sauter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Is there life after /sbin/halt -p?) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Tom wrote: > Can you point me to the ISO? I tried burning the sarge netinst twice > but was never successful at installing Debian with it. It's the big bold[1] links on the d-i web site: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- see shy jo [1] links may not be big and bold signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 02:31:55PM +1100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Graham Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-09 21:17]: > > > >We are pleased to announce the first beta release of > > > debian-installer, the >new installation system for sarge. > > > > > > We want screenshots! > > > > Seconded! > > Try that damn installer and see for yourself. ;-) And report bugs. Can you point me to the ISO? I tried burning the sarge netinst twice but was never successful at installing Debian with it.
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* Graham Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-09 21:17]: > > >We are pleased to announce the first beta release of > > debian-installer, the >new installation system for sarge. > > > > We want screenshots! > > Seconded! Try that damn installer and see for yourself. ;-) And report bugs. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:02:07AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the > >new installation system for sarge. > > We want screenshots! Seconded! -- gram signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the >new installation system for sarge. We want screenshots! Mike.
