Re: etch release target: SELinux?? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-04-12 Thread paddy
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 06:07:13AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> If a tee-shirt with 'I
> fixed the oldest bug in Debian, and all I got was this lousey tee-shirt'
> helps to motivate folks -- great by me! And great for our users and
> Debian!

And then, as if by magic 

On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 01:40:25AM -0400, Milton Campis wrote:
> Dear Debian Devel,

 

repeat after me "wining lottery ticket, winning lottery ticket ..."

Regards,
Paddy
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Re: etch release target: SELinux?? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-04-12 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 03:24:48AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Kevin Mark wrote:
> > > Given the fact that the current standard installation installs both gcc, 
> > > gdb and other development packages weighting more than that (see #301138, 
> > > which nobody wants to fix) 
> > Sorry to interupt, just got a stupid idea, if as Javier suggests, there
> > are bugs that no one wants to fix, why not try an idea called a 'bounty'
> 
> If you'll read the log to #301138, you'll see not much evidence of not
> wanting to fix it now, and a lot of evidence of people who want to fix
> it, but do not care to make such a large change and destabilise what
> sarge installs this close to a release.
> 
> -- 
> see shy jo
Hi Joey,
I did not delve into the details of what you suggests is a change that
would seriously affect Sarge and its release schedule. I was just
thinking about possible other means to get years old bugs or other
release stoppers from getting some looking at. If a tee-shirt with 'I
fixed the oldest bug in Debian, and all I got was this lousey tee-shirt'
helps to motivate folks -- great by me! And great for our users and
Debian!
Cheers,
Kev


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Re: etch release target: SELinux?? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-04-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, April 11, 2005 21:46, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña said:
> Given the fact that the current standard installation installs both gcc,
> gdb and other development packages weighting more than that (see #301138,
> which nobody wants to fix) I don't find that an issue.

After reading that bug I must agree with Jeroen that changing that in this
stage of the release is just not wise. It doesn't really matter when you
became aware of the problem - there's not enough time now to thoroughly
test for any adverse effects of that change, while the gain is relatively
minimal (rather have sarge use more diskspace than delay it yet again
because of new bugs).

This is definately worth looking at - for etch.


Thijs


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Re: etch release target: SELinux?? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-04-12 Thread Joey Hess
Kevin Mark wrote:
> > Given the fact that the current standard installation installs both gcc, 
> > gdb and other development packages weighting more than that (see #301138, 
> > which nobody wants to fix) 
> Sorry to interupt, just got a stupid idea, if as Javier suggests, there
> are bugs that no one wants to fix, why not try an idea called a 'bounty'

If you'll read the log to #301138, you'll see not much evidence of not
wanting to fix it now, and a lot of evidence of people who want to fix
it, but do not care to make such a large change and destabilise what
sarge installs this close to a release.

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Re: etch release target: SELinux?? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-04-11 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 09:46:37PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 11:50:23PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > 
> > For people who don't use SE Linux the support in those programs will only 
> > take 
> > a few K of disk space and will not give a performance overhead.
> 
> Given the fact that the current standard installation installs both gcc, 
> gdb and other development packages weighting more than that (see #301138, 
> which nobody wants to fix) 
Sorry to interupt, just got a stupid idea, if as Javier suggests, there
are bugs that no one wants to fix, why not try an idea called a 'bounty'
(these have been floating around by 'certain' groups x-) ). The idea is
to either make these: a Debian 'bug' check ala Knuth, actaully dinero, a
mention on a webpage, an invite to a local gathering of the debian tribe
in your area, a gift certificate from ThinkGeek, a beer-of-the-month
club subscription or something to get the cat accross the great tundra.
now back to your regularly schedule programming
Cheers,
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Re: etch release target: SELinux?? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-04-11 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 11:50:23PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> 
> For people who don't use SE Linux the support in those programs will only 
> take 
> a few K of disk space and will not give a performance overhead.

Given the fact that the current standard installation installs both gcc, 
gdb and other development packages weighting more than that (see #301138, 
which nobody wants to fix) I don't find that an issue.

Regards

Javier


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Re: etch release target: SELinux?? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-04-11 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 22:14, David Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Just that it is not lost: SELinux soft support (patched utilities available
> in main). There seems to be a repository that mostly works (I'm not in the
> loop about currentness though) and it'd is probably an important step
> forward to bringing SELinux more into the mainstream.

The general aim is that libselinux1 will be in base for Etch.  When that 
happens sysvinit, cron, pam, ssh, and every xdm type program can depend on 
libselinux1 and therefore can provide the required SE Linux functionality.

For people who don't use SE Linux the support in those programs will only take 
a few K of disk space and will not give a performance overhead.

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