Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
[Joerg Jaspert] The way to generate this is(was) to modify a script from the dak suite to output html instead of plain text. I tried to not make the difference between my version and the existing one to big, so it mostly shows what was already there, just with different format. Is there something wrong with the age calculations? 'rte' is the oldest package, and its two uploads were 2002-02-21 and 2002-03-25. According to URL:http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html, the age is '1 year'. But from 2005-02-20 to 2002-03-25 it is close to 3 years. How is the age calculated? The next oldest package in the list,'kernel-linux-experimental-defaults' was uploaded 2003-11-14, and it too is listed with an age of '1 year'. Of course in this case it isn't too wrong, as the age is between 1 and 2 years. Of course its possible to extend that in the future, its not closed software or patented or something... Is the source on the web somewhere? See the bottom of the site. Note: The ordering of the output and the display of the Age column has NOTHING to do with any way of how the ftpmasters handle anything in NEW. Its just informational and I decided to show the youngest upload of any package as that is the last time a Developer made something with it. Is it possible to add the order in which the ftpmasters will handle the entries in the NEW queue? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 08:46:19AM +0100, Igor Genibel wrote: On Thursday 17 February 2005 20:56, Joerg Jaspert wrote: One purpose of the new.html on newraff is to have less (or none) script running on merkel that wastes CPU cycles playing around with .changes files. Merkel is the wrong place for such stuff. :) (And merkel is updated only once a day, so it makes not much sense to run scripts hourly there, just to have mentioned that). I have never said that I will recompute the page but only integrate a per developer extract from this result. As most of information provided by qa.d.o/developer.php :) FWIW, I think developer.php gives a useful DDPO, but I'm a bit puzzled why also some kinds of per-developer or even per-package information is all also generated from developer.php. The file as it is is already quite large, I think it can better be in a new 'new.php' or something, if you really want to add it, as it probably hardly shares any code from developer.php (and if it does, that should IMHO be refactored into a include file). Similar for per-package popcon, per-maintainer wnpp, per-package excuses: I think they are better off in separate files, and not in one big php script behaving completely different depending on arguments. --Jeroen -- Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] (also for Jabber MSN; ICQ: 33944357) http://Jeroen.A-Eskwadraat.nl
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
Anibal Monsalve Salazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now redirected to http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html The new page looks really clean and easy to read. Thanks to everyone who participated in making it available. I like the Age column, but I think it's still useful to know the actual date when something was uploaded. This would be less useful if we didn't see things in months (where one can't tell how close to two three months or one month something that says two months is), but as long as we do, it would be useful. Just my $0.02. When something is uploaded multiple times, does the age count from the date of the first upload or of the last upload? I've always wondered whether doing a subsequent upload after the first one went into NEW resets the clock on ftp-master approval. My policy has been to do an upload to experimental for any existing source package with a new binary package and to not do any further uploads to experimental until it gets approved. This way, uploads without the new binary package can proceed to unstable without risking resetting the clock. Once the package is approved, I would turn around and immediately upload to unstable. (See tiff for an example.) Do you happen to know whether this procedure makes a difference? (I realize, of course, that generating information from the package list in NEW does not imply knowledge of the order in which ftp-masters approve or reject packages.) -- Jay Berkenbilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ql.org/q/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
[Jay Berkenbilt] It's now redirected to http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html The new page looks really clean and easy to read. Thanks to everyone who participated in making it available. Yes, thanks to all of you. :) I like the Age column, but I think it's still useful to know the actual date when something was uploaded. This would be less useful if we didn't see things in months (where one can't tell how close to two three months or one month something that says two months is), but as long as we do, it would be useful. Just my $0.02. I agree. I found it very convinient to see the exact upload dates, and believe it was a step backward with the new output. When something is uploaded multiple times, does the age count from the date of the first upload or of the last upload? I've always wondered whether doing a subsequent upload after the first one went into NEW resets the clock on ftp-master approval. I believ a new package kept its place in the queue even if a new upload was done. I am not sure where I got that idea from. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Thursday 17 February 2005 16:07, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: Anibal Monsalve Salazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now redirected to http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html I will integrate per developer new queue in http://qa.d.o/developer.php soon Cheers -- Igor Genibel «Non bene pro toto libertas venditur auro» Freedom is not sold for all the gold in the world. Dubrovnik motto pgpx8iWVJbjjl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Jay Berkenbilt] When something is uploaded multiple times, does the age count from the date of the first upload or of the last upload? I've always wondered whether doing a subsequent upload after the first one went into NEW resets the clock on ftp-master approval. I believ a new package kept its place in the queue even if a new upload was done. I am not sure where I got that idea from. I don't know what the ftp-masters do - but it would be really nice to see in the list when a package first entered new if there is more than one version. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On 10203 March 1977, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: It's now redirected to http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html The new page looks really clean and easy to read. Thanks to everyone who participated in making it available. I like the Age column, but I think it's still useful to know the actual date when something was uploaded. The way to generate this is(was) to modify a script from the dak suite to output html instead of plain text. I tried to not make the difference between my version and the existing one to big, so it mostly shows what was already there, just with different format. Of course its possible to extend that in the future, its not closed software or patented or something... When something is uploaded multiple times, does the age count from the date of the first upload or of the last upload? See the bottom of the site. Note: The ordering of the output and the display of the Age column has NOTHING to do with any way of how the ftpmasters handle anything in NEW. Its just informational and I decided to show the youngest upload of any package as that is the last time a Developer made something with it. On 10203 March 1977, Igor Genibel wrote: On Thursday 17 February 2005 16:07, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: Anibal Monsalve Salazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now redirected to http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html I will integrate per developer new queue in http://qa.d.o/developer.phpsoon One purpose of the new.html on newraff is to have less (or none) script running on merkel that wastes CPU cycles playing around with .changes files. Merkel is the wrong place for such stuff. :) (And merkel is updated only once a day, so it makes not much sense to run scripts hourly there, just to have mentioned that). -- bye Joerg Die Dicke zum Spiegel: Spieglein, Spieglein an der Wand, wer ist die Schönste im ganzen Land? Der Spiegel: Geh doch mal weg, ich kann ja gar nichts sehen! pgpA0AZuH7uiH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Thursday 17 February 2005 20:56, Joerg Jaspert wrote: On 10203 March 1977, Igor Genibel wrote: On Thursday 17 February 2005 16:07, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: Anibal Monsalve Salazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now redirected to http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html I will integrate per developer new queue in http://qa.d.o/developer.phpsoon One purpose of the new.html on newraff is to have less (or none) script running on merkel that wastes CPU cycles playing around with .changes files. Merkel is the wrong place for such stuff. :) (And merkel is updated only once a day, so it makes not much sense to run scripts hourly there, just to have mentioned that). I have never said that I will recompute the page but only integrate a per developer extract from this result. As most of information provided by qa.d.o/developer.php :) -- Igor Genibel «Non bene pro toto libertas venditur auro» Freedom is not sold for all the gold in the world. Dubrovnik motto pgpN2RhtB6U3K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:30:13AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Anibal Monsalve Salazar] http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html It's now redirected to http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html The web page on ftp-master is Ganneff's work. It's updated once every hour from the authorative archive. The archive on merkel is updated once every day. I would like to work with Ganneff to make changes to the page on ftp-master. Great. This is much better than my crude hack. If you plan to keep this updated all the time, I'll close down my page and point people to your page. Any input is welcome. It would be nice if the changelog for the uploaded package is available too. Another feature I've been wishing for is making more statistics, for example of averaget waiting time (keeping track of when packages come and go), and perhaps an history to know when how often a given package have been in the NEW queue. Some packages return (shared libraries changing sonames, mplayer, etc), and it would be nice to let this system tell us instead of trusting memory. I've also considered looking at out-of-order processing of queue entires, to see if there is a pattern for packages processed faster than the rest of the queue. None of this is really important, but it would be nice to have the information more easily available. Problem is, of course, that as this isn't important I haven't spent any time to make it happen. Too much more important stuff to take care of. :) Thank you again, for making a much better presentation of the NEW queue. :) Anibal Monsalve Salazar -- .''`. Debian GNU/Linux : :' : Free Operating System `. `' http://debian.org/ `- http://v7w.com/anibal signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
[Adeodato Simó] That is, a diff of the list of binary packages. Perhaps, one could colour red removed packages, and blue added ones. Be carefull with using only color coding. This make it harder for color blind and blind people to read the information. While we are on the feature wishlist, it would be nice if the bug numbers had some tag indicating the bugs severity. At least all RC bugs should be highlighted in some way. Or perhaps all non-RC bugs should be tagged? Something like '(#134421)' for RC-bugs, and '#123452' for RC bugs? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 18:59 -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 22:52 +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: It would be nice if the page indicated which of the binary packages is new. The binary column indicates those created within the source package. Every source package on the summary is new, that's why it is on the NEW queue. Not every source package is new to the archive. Some of the source packages are already present in the archive but are in the queue because they contain binary packages that are not already present in the archive. It would be nice if the page indicated which of the _binary_ packages is new. -- Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
* Petter Reinholdtsen [Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:34:01 +0100]: [Adeodato Simó] That is, a diff of the list of binary packages. Perhaps, one could colour red removed packages, and blue added ones. Be carefull with using only color coding. This make it harder for color blind and blind people to read the information. Yes, definitely. In case colour was used, the +/- prefix should still be present. Thanks for pointing out. -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 Listening to: Kiko Veneno - Veneno When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:20:13 +0100, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html The above page is based on previous work done by Peter Reinholdtsen. It still work in progress. Any input is welcome. Thanks for providing this page. It would be nice if there were a status field that showed whether or not an ftp master had looked at the package and, if so, what his opinion of the package was. E.g., * new * looks OK * needs investigation I don't know whether or not ftp masters would be willing to make use of such a feature, though. -- Thomas Hood -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
Hi Anibal, On Saturday, 12 Feb 2005, Anibal Monsalve Salazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 02:50:27PM -0500, Joe Nahmias wrote: Package: ftp.debian.org Severity: wishlist Hello ftp-masters, It would be nice if there were a webpage (updated eg. once a day) listing the packages in the NEW queue in (roughly) the order they will be processed in. Perhaps also the last 10-15 packages that were acted on and the date of the action, so that it is easier to estimate the wait time in NEW. http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html The above page is based on previous work done by Peter Reinholdtsen. It still work in progress. Any input is welcome. from the page: Total package count: 356 is that the number of source package, or the number of binaries? Greetings Martin -- Too many people are thinking of security instead of opportunity. They seem more afraid of life than death. -- James F. Byrnes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
[Martin Zobel-Helas] from the page: Total package count: 356 is that the number of source package, or the number of binaries? It is the number of source packages, but I agree, the text should probably mention this explicitly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:20:13 +0100, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: Any input is welcome. It would be nice if the page indicated which of the binary packages is new. -- Thomas Hood -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:30:13AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Anibal Monsalve Salazar] http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html Great. This is much better than my crude hack. If you plan to keep this updated all the time, I'll close down my page and point people to your page. It's updated at 41 minutes past the hour by a cron job. Any input is welcome. It would be nice if the changelog for the uploaded package is available too. That's doable. Another feature I've been wishing for is making more statistics, for example of averaget waiting time (keeping track of when packages come and go), and perhaps an history to know when how often a given package have been in the NEW queue. Some packages return (shared libraries changing sonames, mplayer, etc), and it would be nice to let this system tell us instead of trusting memory. I've also considered looking at out-of-order processing of queue entires, to see if there is a pattern for packages processed faster than the rest of the queue. None of this is really important, but it would be nice to have the information more easily available. Problem is, of course, that as this isn't important I haven't spent any time to make it happen. Too much more important stuff to take care of. :) We'll see what we could do. Thanks for the ideas. Thank you again, for making a much better presentation of the NEW queue. :) Thanks to _you_ for the original code. Miriam Ruiz (Baby) David Moreno Garza (damog) Anibal Monsalve Salazar (anibal) -- .''`. Debian GNU/Linux : :' : Free Operating System `. `' http://debian.org/ `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 22:52 +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:20:13 +0100, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: Any input is welcome. It would be nice if the page indicated which of the binary packages is new. The binary column indicates those created within the source package. Every source package on the summary is new, that's why it is on the NEW queue. -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. GPG: C671257D - 6EF6 C284 C95D 78F6 0B78 FFD3 981C 5FD7 C671 257D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
* David Moreno Garza [Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:59:22 -0600]: On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 22:52 +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:20:13 +0100, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: Any input is welcome. It would be nice if the page indicated which of the binary packages is new. The binary column indicates those created within the source package. Every source package on the summary is new, that's why it is on the NEW queue. Not really. See e.g. the kdevelop3 source package, which already exists in the archive. Sometimes, packages add one binary, or remove one. In this case, it was a rename, and if IUIC, Thomas would like something like: kdevelop3 -kdevelop-data -kdevelop-dev -kdevelop-doc -kdevelop-plugins +kdevelop3-data +kdevelop3-dev +kdevelop3-doc +kdevelop3-plugins That is, a diff of the list of binary packages. Perhaps, one could colour red removed packages, and blue added ones. (Yes, I know red currently means 'targetted at experimental'. Mmmm, you could colour the source package as red, because distribution affects all of the binaries, right? If a package has more than one upload, one would colour it red if the _latest_ one is targetted at experimental.) Just my 2¢, but is late here. -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 The true teacher defends his pupils against his own personal influence. -- Amos Bronson Alcott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 02:50:27PM -0500, Joe Nahmias wrote: Package: ftp.debian.org Severity: wishlist Hello ftp-masters, It would be nice if there were a webpage (updated eg. once a day) listing the packages in the NEW queue in (roughly) the order they will be processed in. Perhaps also the last 10-15 packages that were acted on and the date of the action, so that it is easier to estimate the wait time in NEW. http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html The above page is based on previous work done by Peter Reinholdtsen. It still work in progress. Any input is welcome. I would be happy to work on such a thing, given appropriate access. One idea might be to have a BTS pseudo-package that would list all the pkgs in NEW as bugs...maybe this is overkill though. --Joe Regards, Anibal Monsalve Salazar -- .''`. Debian GNU/Linux : :' : Free Operating System `. `' http://debian.org/ `- http://v7w.com/anibal signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 11:12 +1100, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 02:50:27PM -0500, Joe Nahmias wrote: Package: ftp.debian.org Severity: wishlist Hello ftp-masters, It would be nice if there were a webpage (updated eg. once a day) listing the packages in the NEW queue in (roughly) the order they will be processed in. Perhaps also the last 10-15 packages that were acted on and the date of the action, so that it is easier to estimate the wait time in NEW. http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html The above page is based on previous work done by Peter Reinholdtsen. It still work in progress. Any input is welcome. _That_ page is really cool! Good work -- I really like being able to see the bugs closed part. I would be happy to work on such a thing, given appropriate access. One idea might be to have a BTS pseudo-package that would list all the pkgs in NEW as bugs...maybe this is overkill though. --Joe Regards, Anibal Monsalve Salazar -- .''`. Debian GNU/Linux : :' : Free Operating System `. `' http://debian.org/ `- http://v7w.com/anibal -- Ciao, al -- Al Stone Alter Ego: Linux Open Source Lab Debian Developer Hewlett-Packard Company http://www.debian.org E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
Anibal Monsalve Salazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 02:50:27PM -0500, Joe Nahmias wrote: Package: ftp.debian.org Severity: wishlist Hello ftp-masters, It would be nice if there were a webpage (updated eg. once a day) listing the packages in the NEW queue in (roughly) the order they will be processed in. Perhaps also the last 10-15 packages that were acted on and the date of the action, so that it is easier to estimate the wait time in NEW. http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html There is also http://developer.skolelinux.no/~pere/debian-NEW.html but the QA page is more colorfull. The above page is based on previous work done by Peter Reinholdtsen. It still work in progress. Any input is welcome. It would be nice if there were a link to download the deb (from the maintainer or upsream, not from NEW). But I'm not sure how that could be acomplished nicely. I would be happy to work on such a thing, given appropriate access. One idea might be to have a BTS pseudo-package that would list all the pkgs in NEW as bugs...maybe this is overkill though. Someone mentioned that checking out the package takes quite some time so it might be worth investigating something like what the NM team does for the DAM, screen the packages and create a report for ftp-master to act upon. A New-Packages team. --Joe Regards, Anibal Monsalve Salazar Just my 2c. Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please post listing and status of NEW queue
[Anibal Monsalve Salazar] http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html Great. This is much better than my crude hack. If you plan to keep this updated all the time, I'll close down my page and point people to your page. Any input is welcome. It would be nice if the changelog for the uploaded package is available too. Another feature I've been wishing for is making more statistics, for example of averaget waiting time (keeping track of when packages come and go), and perhaps an history to know when how often a given package have been in the NEW queue. Some packages return (shared libraries changing sonames, mplayer, etc), and it would be nice to let this system tell us instead of trusting memory. I've also considered looking at out-of-order processing of queue entires, to see if there is a pattern for packages processed faster than the rest of the queue. None of this is really important, but it would be nice to have the information more easily available. Problem is, of course, that as this isn't important I haven't spent any time to make it happen. Too much more important stuff to take care of. :) Thank you again, for making a much better presentation of the NEW queue. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
