Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Gunnar Wolf]

Thomas Goirand dijo [Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:18:18PM +0200]:
> On 03/16/2018 07:51 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a template
> > and you are repeating what used to be true here. But, according to GR
> > 003 in 2016¹, Didier is the "Chair" of the Technical Committee, not
> > the "Chairman".
> > 
> > ¹ https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003
> 
> Does this mean tech committee members can sit on Didier? :)

I have been part of different conference organizations, including of
course DebConf. In more formal ones, they have the figure of the
Conference Chair (the person in charge of logistics) and of the
Standing Committee (year-to-year group of experts that oversee
conference organization and provides it with "prestige").

Of course... It is striking that the Standing Committee does not make
better use of the Chairs!

Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Steffen Möller]

On 3/26/18 10:29 PM, Geert Stappers wrote:

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:18:18PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:

On 03/16/2018 07:51 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote:

I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a template
and you are repeating what used to be true here. But, according to GR
003 in 2016¹, Didier is the "Chair" of the Technical Committee, not
the "Chairman".

¹ https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003

Does this mean tech committee members can sit on Didier? :)

Yes, sit without h


Maybe just "rely on him" or "rest assured".

Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Geert Stappers]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:18:18PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/16/2018 07:51 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a template
> > and you are repeating what used to be true here. But, according to GR
> > 003 in 2016¹, Didier is the "Chair" of the Technical Committee, not
> > the "Chairman".
> > 
> > ¹ https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003
> 
> Does this mean tech committee members can sit on Didier? :)

Yes, sit without h

Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Thomas Goirand]

On 03/16/2018 07:51 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a template
> and you are repeating what used to be true here. But, according to GR
> 003 in 2016¹, Didier is the "Chair" of the Technical Committee, not
> the "Chairman".
> 
> ¹ https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003

Does this mean tech committee members can sit on Didier? :)

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

One purpose of GRs (was Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment)

[Ian Jackson]

Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment"):
> [Someone:]
> > [1] https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003
> 
> Didn't we already lose enough time with this utterly pointless GR?

One of the main points of a GR is to enable us to:
 - test the releative strengths of feeling on sides of an issue
 - and then, to move on, with everyone respecting the result

You voted against that GR at the time, as is your right.  But, you
lost that GR by 289 to 13.  We, as a project, are overwhelmingly in
favour of it.  It's settled.  That means you should stop publicly
opposing its consequences in Debian channels [1].

If you want to vent somewhere about how it was "pointless" or
whatever, a good place to do that would be amongst your friends in a
bar or cafe, or your personal blog maybe [2].

Thanks,
Ian.

[1] If you really want to overturn this GR, the right approach is to
try to get seconds for a 2nd GR to repeal it.  It must surely be
obvious to you that this wouldn't go anywhere good in this case.

[2] You'd best mind your tone if you're on Planet, I think.

Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Ben Finney]

Gunnar Wolf  writes:

> I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a
> template and you are repeating what used to be true here. But,
> according to GR 003 in 2016¹, Didier is the "Chair" of the Technical
> Committee, not the "Chairman".

Thank you, this was a well worded correction that avoided any accusation
or shame. These corrections are always worthwhile, for improving the
welcoming culture of the Debian community.

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Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Chris Lamb]

Dear Gunnar,

> Didier is the "Chair" of the Technical Committee, not the "Chairman".

Mea culpa… :(

Whilst I did indeed use a previous appointment mail as a template, I
should have read it over more carefully. No excuse, and thank you for
raising this.


Best wishes,

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Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Steve Langasek]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:46:44PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:51:36PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a template
> > and you are repeating what used to be true here. But, according to GR
> > 003 in 2016¹, Didier is the "Chair" of the Technical Committee, not
> > the "Chairman".

> > ¹ https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003

> Didn't we already lose enough time with this utterly pointless GR?

Evidently *you* don't think so, since you found it necessary to spend 3x as
much space on your ranty response as Gunnar did on his gentle correction.

Gunnar, thanks for continuing to work to make Debian a welcoming community,
in ways big and small, and helping us live up to the principles enshrined in
our diversity statement.

-- 
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Debian Developer   to set it on, and I can move the world.
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Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Holger Levsen]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:46:44PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> Bottom line: this mailing list is not a place to shame people about
> following or not a particular approach to genders.
 
bottom line: you don't listen to your own advice.


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Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Adam Borowski]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:51:36PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a template
> and you are repeating what used to be true here. But, according to GR
> 003 in 2016¹, Didier is the "Chair" of the Technical Committee, not
> the "Chairman".
> 
> ¹ https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003

Didn't we already lose enough time with this utterly pointless GR?

If I, as a dirty foreigner, knew the etymology of -man without having to
look it up, it wouldn't be too hard for GR proposers to do a bit of
research.  But then, perhaps we should have another GR to purge from all
de.po files all translations to -führer because of that one Führer?

With that logic, you can as well ban the letter N and all words that include
-gun-.  I heard such word games are all the rage these days.

The GR replaced the text of the Constitution, it did not forbid using the
synonym in other communication -- especially when the particular usage
matches both definitions of the word (both the etymological one, and the one
that implies gender), as Didier happens to be male.  Likewise, had paultag
taken this position, a mail from lamby that puts "chaircat" or "chairgod"
(assuming #d-devel wisdom is true) would be correct.

Bottom line: this mailing list is not a place to shame people about
following or not a particular approach to genders.


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Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

[Gunnar Wolf]

Chris Lamb dijo [Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 06:14:37PM +]:
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> Dear fellow developers,
> 
> As defined by our constitution (§6.2.2), the Debian Technical Committee
> has recommended the appointment of Simon McVittie (smcv).

Yay! Welcome on board!

> I am extremely happy to follow their recommendation and hereby appoint
> Simon as a member of the Technical Committee, effective immediately.>
 
> For reference, the nomination of Simon may be followed at
>  and the Committee now consists of:
> 
>   * Didier Raboud (chairman)
> (...)

I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a template
and you are repeating what used to be true here. But, according to GR
003 in 2016¹, Didier is the "Chair" of the Technical Committee, not
the "Chairman".

¹ https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003

Thanks!


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Re: Technical committee appointment

[Keith Packard]

Lucas Nussbaum lea...@debian.org writes:

 Keith, welcome to our Technical Committee!

Thanks, Lucas, and all of the rest of the Debian Tech Committee for your
support. I look forward to serving the Debian project in this additional
role to the best of my ability.

-- 
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