Re: Tired of my fellow SysV supporters
previously on this list Russ Allbery contributed: One person in particular is currently creating new throwaway accounts at various free email providers to post violent threats and invective-filled rants to various project mailing lists. Maybe it's Lennart and he's hired a psychologist ;-) -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/845980.95022...@smtp104.mail.ir2.yahoo.com
Tired of my fellow SysV supporters
Hi there, I think we all agree that the init system discussion is far away from what is good for the project, under any political andsocial aspect. I don't like systemd either, and I do not like the decision of the TC, but what annoys me most is the attitude of some (too many) of my fellow SysV supporters. I do not know how many of them are trolls, but the content I had to read on this mailing list in the last days is clearly intolerable. systemd, be it as one init system or as the only init system, will not make me leave Debian, but what I had to learn about parts of the community could easily do so. Please, whoever cares about that, do not hesitate to remove those people from the project! Cheers, Nik -- * concerning Mozilla code leaking assertion failures to tty without D-BUS * mirabilos That means, D-BUS is a tool that makes software look better than it actually is. PGP-Fingerprint: 3C9D 54A4 7575 C026 FB17 FD26 B79A 3C16 A0C4 F296 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Tired of my fellow SysV supporters
Dominik George n...@naturalnet.de writes: I think we all agree that the init system discussion is far away from what is good for the project, under any political andsocial aspect. I don't like systemd either, and I do not like the decision of the TC, but what annoys me most is the attitude of some (too many) of my fellow SysV supporters. I do not know how many of them are trolls, but the content I had to read on this mailing list in the last days is clearly intolerable. systemd, be it as one init system or as the only init system, will not make me leave Debian, but what I had to learn about parts of the community could easily do so. Hi Dominik, I think right now it's good to keep in mind that this discussion and decision has drawn a great deal of media and Internet attention. Quite a few people are reading and following the discussion who haven't previously been part of the Debian community. A small handful of those people, as is always the case when something draws a lot of Internet attention, have decided to be angry and threatening. If you skim through the project mailing lists at the moment, I think you'll find that there are some fairly quiet discussions, largely among ourselves, and some wild rants with only a few replies, almost entirely from people whose addresses I've never seen on any project mailing list before. One person in particular is currently creating new throwaway accounts at various free email providers to post violent threats and invective-filled rants to various project mailing lists. The best thing to do with those is to recognize them for what they are -- an attempted denial of service attack on project infrastructure -- and ignore them and let the listmasters try to handle them as best we can. Our open mailing list discussion culture makes it moderately difficult for us to lock down our lists entirely against someone who is willing to invest time in creating numerous sock puppet accounts. Some of it we just have to ride out. Past experience says that the disruptive messages will die down, probably in a day or two, as the news coverage drops off and people find something else to go rant about. Hopefully some of those who have discovered the Debian community through all this coverage and have been reading and responding thoughtfully will stick around and become part of our community. We're here for the long haul and we have a lot more discussions to have. I think the best thing for us to do right now is for people who care strongly about the init system choice to consider options for a GR, and for everyone else to just go about our regular work on the project and let the noise die down. Welcome to the receiving end of Internet celebrity! It's always kind of unsettling. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874n45qs71@windlord.stanford.edu
Re: Tired of my fellow SysV supporters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/02/2014 22:45, Dominik George wrote: I do not know how many of them are trolls, but the content I had to read on this mailing list in the last days is clearly intolerable. systemd, be it as one init system or as the only init system, will not make me leave Debian, but what I had to learn about parts of the community could easily do so. Please, whoever cares about that, do not hesitate to remove those people from the project! *hugs* and +1 Perhaps the list admins can block the topic and create a new list for people who want to re-hash the same old details over and over and over again until they get old, fat and bald and wonder what they've done with their lives. - -Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJS+pBgAAoJELAdGnKsjcmh2LMP/3cPe8z/Vs6Yr05Tfii/AoZ8 sSB1qKcA4ItZTeoRDfjWyG6DNvfrYu4oDHHpUh/1ofUS4lEdGLGImfMz5SSzuh23 yjMaleCS/uH3Y/nzvpWb0HBkzLmyqHy/jp92ZBVcPRLKOJ0k8fpmHE7inK+vBc1t jCYZ1DHb5eAYm5HJKHpa+4N236UbNNMWfGvWdRO9ZjnYI/IBF90VJRQuOIwYbYWD MNCaTKbHHMxieR9DZzcW92ZJU4cCC/GBmrNyQ9iYxIRDP4nk/N9ITShSGER9z8SE jivw/3N7/oaKk0Re+bszIDH2cLBOwJiVtfpzF2XwCcGFnNttFMtvDfZPrtPxo4+5 1fq7OgfT8xCkjVTjO6+HWMWEiiP4nvLewpk6kcajW0An8rLSsZABSDecYcIHqvGS m2nH31acE3hijkXfCOmCAKGo5f6Tesm66hebZ3zx/XhtAIiu/Yd4llM/Y8X1mCDh nva7hq6jluBnHFD66rgQwByZBk2qJ0wm54ulSzmP9Ay1L4oGxpBZYYtxCM4AHtQi 5fHSbdONt/jyvA6jr46gmqvWdnbDHVZphDx1GJNzE6TxRkT1Tq4bDvltLoi2cusK yrKYSjLPUcPhUgyhNWzJAx4LQF9NoZs4c59JWuTSGH+NDzNMEF37O2jbQ9ipa5pF +zJlguDW8jgM14R/pD77 =3QFb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52fa9063.8080...@ubuntu.com
