Re: WARNING: Jack Howarth is an agent of destruction
On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 22:40:07 +0100, Anders Jackson wrote: > Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Aren't the brits complaining about the US wanting to execute terrorists, > > because of conflicts with EU declaration of human rights? > (This is of toppic, isn't it) Quite, but still I like a chance to clean up some confusion. > Isn't it UN declaration of human rights, not EUs. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) is the UN's. http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html I guess Michael is referring to the Council of Rome's Convention for Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms (1950 and later amended; protocol 6 dealing with the death penalty) http://www.echr.coe.int/Convention/webConvenENG.pdf which established the European Court of Human Rights http://www.echr.coe.int/ which isn't an EU institution, but a Council of Europe one and whose jurisdiction is therefore recognised by a lot more states than just EU members: http://www.coe.int/T/E/Communication_and_Research/Public_Relations/About_Council_of_Europe/CoE_Map_&_Members/ ) Ray -- Hacker and proud.
Re: WARNING: Jack Howarth is an agent of destruction
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 10:29:49PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: > > The last time I checked the maximum sentence for treason in Great Britain > > was death... > > Hmm, that can't be right. Aren't the brits complaining about the US > wanting to execute terrorists, because of conflicts with EU declaration > of human rights? (This is of toppic, isn't it) Isn't it UN declaration of human rights, not EUs. And I think that USA has signed them to. (I don't like death penalties, an faulty (and/or) unfair sentence can't be undone. A life sentence can.)
Re: WARNING: Jack Howarth is an agent of destruction
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmm, that can't be right. Aren't the brits complaining about the US
> wanting to execute terrorists, because of conflicts with EU declaration
> of human rights?
But the terrorists (well, except for any British nationals among them)
can't be tried for treason.
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Re: WARNING: Jack Howarth is an agent of destruction
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 10:29:49PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: > The last time I checked the maximum sentence for treason in Great Britain > was death... Hmm, that can't be right. Aren't the brits complaining about the US wanting to execute terrorists, because of conflicts with EU declaration of human rights? -- Mike Stone
Re: WARNING: Jack Howarth is an agent of destruction
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 10:29:49PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So let this be a word of warning. Hopefully Mr. Fuchs^WHowarth will > > explain himself, or escape to England where they have less harsh > > penalties for treason. > > The last time I checked the maximum sentence for treason in Great Britain > was death.. Treason is also the only crime explicitly mentioned in US constitution. Remember Benedict Arnold? Adam S Edgar
Re: WARNING: Jack Howarth is an agent of destruction
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 10:18:37AM -0500, Jack Howarth wrote: > This is absurd. You're right about that much. As for everything else... > One of the problems with this Debian policy violation is that > it is not always reproducible as a bug on other folks machines. > However feel free to ask on debian-powerpc and the will confirm > that it is in fact wrong to use non-fPIC static libs in a shared > lib on ppc and in fact any arch under Debian. > Branden seems to have gone off the deep end here. All I am > trying to do is eliminate a serious policy violation in libsdl. YOU ARE ON CRACK. I DO DEVELOPMENT **DAILY** ON THE POWERPC AND IA64 ARCHITECTURES, BOTH OF WHICH DO NOT PERMIT THE LINKING OF STATIC OBJECTS WITHOUT RELOCATION INFORMATION INTO SHARED LIBRARIES. I SAW THIS BUG MONTHS AGO, AND SO DID MANY OTHER DEBIAN DEVELOPERS. WE ARE NOT BABES IN THE WOODS. I RESENT YOUR IMPLICATION THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON JUST AS I RESENT -- ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS -- THE MASSIVE SPAM ATTACK YOU LAUNCHED SEVERAL WEEKS AGO TRYING TO GET EVERYONE TO PUT "-z combreloc" INTO ALL OF THEIR BINARIES WHILE WE WERE (AND ARE) IN A FREEZE. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND REALIZE THAT THE DEBIAN PROJECT EXISTED LONG BEFORE YOU BECAME COGNIZANT OF IT. MORE TO THE POINT, READ http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200110/msg00353.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200111/msg00028.html AND GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL THAT EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN ONE OF THE POINTS YOU ARE RAISING HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. > Again, I'm just reporting a real bug in these packages > that impacts Debian ppc sid (and probably other arches). > Don't flame me just because you don't want to hear a real > problem. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200110/msg00353.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200111/msg00028.html AGAIN, THE PROBLEM WAS WELL-KNOWN LONG BEFORE YOU PRANCED IN HERE WITH YOUR BAD ATTITUDE. -- G. Branden Robinson| There's nothing an agnostic can't Debian GNU/Linux | do if he doesn't know whether he [EMAIL PROTECTED] | believes in it or not. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Graham Chapman pgpbqYOIY0594.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: WARNING: Jack Howarth is an agent of destruction
This is absurd. Debian policy explicitly states that you should not create a shared lib using objects not created with -fPIC (which is exactly what libsdl-image does when it asks sdl-config what to use for static_x_extension_libs). This problem is identical to one just resolved in evolution... evolution (1.0-2) unstable; urgency=low * Applied fPIC patch of Bug#124141 (closes: #124141) * Applied correcthelosmtp.diff of Bug#123922 (closes: #123922) * debian/control: - remove beta notice from Description. ...where libcamellocal.so was being built using a static lib libebex built without using -fPIC. This was WRONG! One of the problems with this Debian policy violation is that it is not always reproducible as a bug on other folks machines. However feel free to ask on debian-powerpc and the will confirm that it is in fact wrong to use non-fPIC static libs in a shared lib on ppc and in fact any arch under Debian. Branden seems to have gone off the deep end here. All I am trying to do is eliminate a serious policy violation in libsdl. Either sdl-config is modified to be bright enough to return a different answer for static_x_extension_libs... static_x_extension_libs="-lXxf86dga_pic -lXxf86vm_pic -lXv_pic" if a shared lib is being built or sdl-config has to always assume a shared lib might be built and do the same. Again, I'm just reporting a real bug in these packages that impacts Debian ppc sid (and probably other arches). Don't flame me just because you don't want to hear a real problem. Jack ps I can't be held for treason in the UK. We bailed out of that joint almost 100 years ago.
Re: WARNING: Jack Howarth is an agent of destruction
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So let this be a word of warning. Hopefully Mr. Fuchs^WHowarth will
> explain himself, or escape to England where they have less harsh
> penalties for treason.
The last time I checked the maximum sentence for treason in Great Britain
was death...
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