Re: What would help the most?

[Jonathan Kamens]

Hello Lucas,

I think the reason why people are puzzled and hesitant to reply is that 
your inquiry seemingly came out of nowhere and you've offered no context 
for it. Why is this question being asked? Why are you the person asking 
it? What are you going to do with the responses?


People are understandably suspicious when someone asks somewhat weird 
questions out of the blue with no explanation for why.


If you want people to answer, I suggest you explain better what's going 
on here.


  jik

On 10/30/23 16:10, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:





Paul, Marc, Andrey
Thanks for replying.


To narrow it down:


This is a serious question and I would like a serious response.

Look back on the last 3 months of work you did @ debian or in salsa or 
bts or lists, and ask yourself.
What would be the minimal thing that would help you accomplish or make 
an even bigger impact at Debian but for you? (the Debian Developer)

What would it be?


Thank you
Lucas Szybalski
from Chicago IL
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucas-szybalski/


*Vision of Debian:*
Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.

*Goal:*
Coding and Maintaining Packages 
Testing and Bug Squashing 

/In these 2 goals:/
What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU
accomplish your goals for Debian ?


Thanks
Lucas

Re: What would help the most?

[Lukasz Szybalski]

Paul, Marc, Andrey
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> To narrow it down:
>
>
This is a serious question and I would like a serious response.

Look back on the last 3 months of work you did @ debian or in salsa or bts
or lists, and ask yourself.
What would be the minimal thing that would help you accomplish or make an
even bigger impact at Debian but for you? (the Debian Developer)
What would it be?


Thank you
Lucas Szybalski
from Chicago IL
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucas-szybalski/




> *Vision of Debian:*
> Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.
>
> *Goal:*
> Coding and Maintaining Packages 
> Testing and Bug Squashing 
>
> *In these 2 goals:*
> What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU accomplish
> your goals for Debian ?
>
>
> Thanks
> Lucas
>
>
>

Re: What would help the most?

[Andrey Rakhmatullin]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 02:48:24PM -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> It's not an AI guy.
> 
> This is a question of, as a debian developer @debian.org...what do you need
> right now? What would help you?
> 
> Example without giving direction..or inserting things... more cs grads
> working bugs or more debian developers or more automation or ...?
Which of these can you provide?

Re: What would help the most?

[Lukasz Szybalski]

It's not an AI guy.

This is a question of, as a debian developer @debian.org...what do you need
right now? What would help you?

Example without giving direction..or inserting things... more cs grads
working bugs or more debian developers or more automation or ...?

Thanks
Lucas


On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 5:20 AM Imre Nagy  wrote:

> Hmm ...
>
> I did not go deep into this situation, but if you would like to traing an
> agent and/or whatever, most likely you need a valid email address to post
> to a list.
> If this is an agent, it is trained to (by the emails before)
> - use/mimic older members address to show credentibility
> - collect and parse repliers name so the email can be personalized.
>
> These lower your guards.
>
> I think all information can be gathered from the mailing-list public
> archive. So if Syzbalski does not pop up and say, "hey guys, I was drunk
> and texted to my ex and debian lists", I am still considering this being a
> AI training.
>
> Best regars,
> Imre
>
> 2023. 10. 30. 8:52 keltezéssel, Tino Didriksen írta:
>
> That was also my initial reaction - so much so that I discarded the
> original email as Spam, because it hit all the factors in my head. But
> given other people took it seriously, I looked into whether
> szybal...@gmail.com has been active before, and sure enough there are
> mails going back more than a decade.
>
> So evidence would say it's not spam, but still a bizarre set of mails.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 07:03,  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have the feeling, that this is some kind of semi-AI generated chat.
>> I think we should stop it now.
>>
>> Imre, Nagy
>> 2023. 10. 30. 2:29 keltezéssel, Lukasz Szybalski írta:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:41 AM Paul Wise  wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 14:00 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>>>
>>> > What is the minimum most value thing that would
>>> > help YOU accomplish your goals for Debian ?
>>>
>>> Check out this page if no-one gives anything more specific:
>>>
>>> https://www.debian.org/intro/help
>>>
>>>
>> Paul, Marc, Andrey
>> Thanks for replying.
>>
>>
>> To narrow it down:
>>
>> *Vision of Debian:*
>> Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.
>>
>> *Goal:*
>> Coding and Maintaining Packages 
>> Testing and Bug Squashing 
>>
>> *In these 2 goals:*
>> What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU accomplish
>> your goals for Debian ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Lucas
>>
>>

-- 
http://wwwhww.news/u/cwSNkeLNXf 

Re: What would help the most?

[Imre Nagy]

Hmm ...

I did not go deep into this situation, but if you would like to traing 
an agent and/or whatever, most likely you need a valid email address to 
post to a list.

If this is an agent, it is trained to (by the emails before)
- use/mimic older members address to show credentibility
- collect and parse repliers name so the email can be personalized.

These lower your guards.

I think all information can be gathered from the mailing-list public 
archive. So if Syzbalski does not pop up and say, "hey guys, I was drunk 
and texted to my ex and debian lists", I am still considering this being 
a AI training.


Best regars,
Imre

2023. 10. 30. 8:52 keltezéssel, Tino Didriksen írta:
That was also my initial reaction - so much so that I discarded the 
original email as Spam, because it hit all the factors in my head. But 
given other people took it seriously, I looked into whether 
szybal...@gmail.com has been active before, and sure enough there are 
mails going back more than a decade.


So evidence would say it's not spam, but still a bizarre set of mails.

-- Tino Didriksen


On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 07:03,  wrote:

Hi,

I have the feeling, that this is some kind of semi-AI generated chat.
I think we should stop it now.

Imre, Nagy

2023. 10. 30. 2:29 keltezéssel, Lukasz Szybalski írta:


On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:41 AM Paul Wise  wrote:

On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 14:00 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:

> What is the minimum most value thing that would
> help YOU accomplish your goals for Debian ?

Check out this page if no-one gives anything more specific:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help


Paul, Marc, Andrey
Thanks for replying.


To narrow it down:

*Vision of Debian:*
Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.

*Goal:*
Coding and Maintaining Packages 
Testing and Bug Squashing 

/In these 2 goals:/
What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU
accomplish your goals for Debian ?


Thanks
Lucas

Re: What would help the most?

[Tino Didriksen]

That was also my initial reaction - so much so that I discarded the
original email as Spam, because it hit all the factors in my head. But
given other people took it seriously, I looked into whether
szybal...@gmail.com has been active before, and sure enough there are mails
going back more than a decade.

So evidence would say it's not spam, but still a bizarre set of mails.

-- Tino Didriksen


On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 07:03,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have the feeling, that this is some kind of semi-AI generated chat.
> I think we should stop it now.
>
> Imre, Nagy
> 2023. 10. 30. 2:29 keltezéssel, Lukasz Szybalski írta:
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:41 AM Paul Wise  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 14:00 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>>
>> > What is the minimum most value thing that would
>> > help YOU accomplish your goals for Debian ?
>>
>> Check out this page if no-one gives anything more specific:
>>
>> https://www.debian.org/intro/help
>>
>>
> Paul, Marc, Andrey
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> To narrow it down:
>
> *Vision of Debian:*
> Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.
>
> *Goal:*
> Coding and Maintaining Packages 
> Testing and Bug Squashing 
>
> *In these 2 goals:*
> What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU accomplish
> your goals for Debian ?
>
>
> Thanks
> Lucas
>
>

Re: What would help the most?

[Andrey Rakhmatullin]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 07:03:38AM +0100, deb...@hyperborg.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have the feeling, that this is some kind of semi-AI generated chat.
> I think we should stop it now.
Makes sense.

Re: What would help the most?

[debian]

Hi,

I have the feeling, that this is some kind of semi-AI generated chat.
I think we should stop it now.

Imre, Nagy

2023. 10. 30. 2:29 keltezéssel, Lukasz Szybalski írta:


On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:41 AM Paul Wise  wrote:

On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 14:00 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:

> What is the minimum most value thing that would
> help YOU accomplish your goals for Debian ?

Check out this page if no-one gives anything more specific:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help


Paul, Marc, Andrey
Thanks for replying.


To narrow it down:

*Vision of Debian:*
Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.

*Goal:*
Coding and Maintaining Packages 
Testing and Bug Squashing 

/In these 2 goals:/
What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU accomplish 
your goals for Debian ?



Thanks
Lucas

Re: What would help the most?

[Lukasz Szybalski]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:41 AM Paul Wise  wrote:

> On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 14:00 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>
> > What is the minimum most value thing that would
> > help YOU accomplish your goals for Debian ?
>
> Check out this page if no-one gives anything more specific:
>
> https://www.debian.org/intro/help
>
>
Paul, Marc, Andrey
Thanks for replying.


To narrow it down:

*Vision of Debian:*
Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.

*Goal:*
Coding and Maintaining Packages 
Testing and Bug Squashing 

*In these 2 goals:*
What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU accomplish your
goals for Debian ?


Thanks
Lucas

Re: What would help the most?

[Marc Haber]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:00:45 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski
 wrote:
>What is the minimum most value thing that would help YOU accomplish your
>goals for Debian ?

I do not quite understand the question, so my answer might be a bit
off.

I'd like to have conffile management improved. Debian is already
better than other distributions in this regard, but I'd still have a
few additional features. For example having some kind of interactive
merge function that could be invoked during package installation
instead of the "do you want their conffile, your conffile, an editor
or a shell" prompt.

I'd like to have better tooling for conffile handling in maintainer
scripts, some convergence of dpkg and ucf, possibly a more declarative
approach or more boilerplate code that is easier to debug.

And I'd like Debian packages to make consequent use of this mechanism
which is one that makes Debian special.

Greetings
Marc
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Re: What would help the most?

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 14:00 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:

> What is the minimum most value thing that would
> help YOU accomplish your goals for Debian ?

Check out this page if no-one gives anything more specific:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise


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Re: What would help the most?

[Andrey Rakhmatullin]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:00:45PM -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> Hello
> I wanted to understand better from people with y...@debian.org email address
> on:
> 
> Vision of Debian:
> Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.
> 
> Goal:
> Helping customers achieve outcome.
Sorry, I don't get this part.

> What is the minimum most value thing that would help YOU accomplish your
> goals for Debian ?
What's the context for your survey?

What would help the most?

[Lukasz Szybalski]

Hello
I wanted to understand better from people with y...@debian.org email address
on:

Vision of Debian:
Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.

Goal:
Helping customers achieve outcome.

What is the minimum most value thing that would help YOU accomplish your
goals for Debian ?

Thanks
Lucas Szybalski