Re: task-spanish exists: expansion proposal (was Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish))

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 >> 
 >> From the changelog of Debian policy package:
 >> 
 >> debian-policy (3.5.7.0) unstable; urgency=low
 >> 
 >> [...]
 >> * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a
 >> special field in the control file (and these should be added only
 >> after discussion on the mailing lists)closes: Bug#97755 
 >> [...]
 >> 
 >> -- Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:18:02 -0500

 Joey> This is a seemingly ill-informed changelog entry, and not Policy, FWIW.
 Joey> See my posting on -policy.


Ill-informed? How about poorly documented task proposals
 which did not reflect reality? the changelog entry was taken straignt
 out of the task porposal as presented to the policy group; and since
 there has been no mention in the last few months in debian-devel, is
 it surprising that I assumed that the proposers of tasksel knew what
 they were talking about the proposal.

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Re: task-spanish exists: expansion proposal (was Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish))

[Joey Hess]

Rene Engelhard wrote:
> Hmm. According to the latest policy the Task: method should be used
> which I think is not the best thing...
> 
> From the changelog of Debian policy package:
> 
> debian-policy (3.5.7.0) unstable; urgency=low
> 
> [...]
>  * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a
> special field in the control file (and these should be added only
> after discussion on the mailing lists)closes: 
> Bug#97755 
> [...]
> 
>  -- Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:18:02 -0500

This is a seemingly ill-informed changelog entry, and not Policy, FWIW.
See my posting on -policy.

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Re: task-spanish exists: expansion proposal (was Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish))

[Rene Engelhard]

Hi Joey,

Joey Hess wrote:
> Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> > Thanks. Then is everyone ok if I include (or submit bug against the 
> > packages that
> > don't) Task: spanish to the control files for
> 
> No, that's not how it works. File a bug against tasksel if you are not
> seeing the spanish task, which it already has.

Hmm. According to the latest policy the Task: method should be used
which I think is not the best thing...

From the changelog of Debian policy package:

debian-policy (3.5.7.0) unstable; urgency=low

[...]
 * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a
special field in the control file (and these should be added only
after discussion on the mailing lists)closes: Bug#97755 
[...]

 -- Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:18:02 -0500

Regards,

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Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled?

[Erich Schubert]

>   Then the policy document is wrong? Shouldn't it be bugged?

I guess the policy document describes how this is to be done _now_.
(That is after woody ;)
Whereas the override file was they way this was handled for woody.

Maybe ask on debian-policy on this issue?

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Erich

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Re: task-spanish exists: expansion proposal (was Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish))

[Joey Hess]

Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> Thanks. Then is everyone ok if I include (or submit bug against the packages 
> that
> don't) Task: spanish to the control files for

No, that's not how it works. File a bug against tasksel if you are not
seeing the spanish task, which it already has.

Try running 'dselect update' first though.

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Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

[Philip Charles]

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 10:43:25AM +1200, Philip Charles wrote:
> > > |
> > > | Excerpt from the changelog:
> > > |   * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a
> > > | special field in the control file (and these should be added only
> > > | after discussion on the mailing lists) closes: 
> > > Bug#97755
> > >
> > > uhm, they should _not_ be added to the control file.  They should be
> > > added by the override files plucked from base-config's CVS.  Skim the
> > > archives on -boot for information.
> > >   `. 
> > > `'
> > The info for the Tasks is in debian/indices/override.woody.extra.main.gz
> > if you want to have a look.  debian-cd then adds this info to the Packages
> > file.
>
>   Then the policy document is wrong? Shouldn't it be bugged?
>
>   Javi

Not very clear, I must admit.  I modify this particular override file if I
want to add packages to a task for custom CDs.  A new task could be
created the same way, but I am not certain if this canonical.

Phil.

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Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

[Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña]

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 10:43:25AM +1200, Philip Charles wrote:
> > |
> > | Excerpt from the changelog:
> > |   * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a
> > | special field in the control file (and these should be added only
> > | after discussion on the mailing lists) closes: 
> > Bug#97755
> >
> > uhm, they should _not_ be added to the control file.  They should be
> > added by the override files plucked from base-config's CVS.  Skim the
> > archives on -boot for information.
> >   `. `'
> The info for the Tasks is in debian/indices/override.woody.extra.main.gz
> if you want to have a look.  debian-cd then adds this info to the Packages
> file.

Then the policy document is wrong? Shouldn't it be bugged?

Javi

Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

[Philip Charles]

On 2 Sep 2002, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:

> * Erich Schubert
>
> | > One simple question: how are tasks managed? what policy is there for
> | > creation/addition of packages to it?
> |
> | See debian-policy...
> |
> | Excerpt from the changelog:
> |   * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a
> | special field in the control file (and these should be added only
> | after discussion on the mailing lists) closes: Bug#97755
>
> uhm, they should _not_ be added to the control file.  They should be
> added by the override files plucked from base-config's CVS.  Skim the
> archives on -boot for information.
>   `. `'
The info for the Tasks is in debian/indices/override.woody.extra.main.gz
if you want to have a look.  debian-cd then adds this info to the Packages
file.

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Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* Erich Schubert 

| > One simple question: how are tasks managed? what policy is there for
| > creation/addition of packages to it?
| 
| See debian-policy...
| 
| Excerpt from the changelog:
|   * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a
| special field in the control file (and these should be added only
| after discussion on the mailing lists) closes: Bug#97755

uhm, they should _not_ be added to the control file.  They should be
added by the override files plucked from base-config's CVS.  Skim the
archives on -boot for information.

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task-spanish exists: expansion proposal (was Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish))

[Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña]

On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 09:00:40PM +0200, Erich Schubert wrote:
> 
> Excerpt from the changelog:
>   * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a
> special field in the control file (and these should be added only
> after discussion on the mailing lists) closes: Bug#97755
> 

Thanks. Then is everyone ok if I include (or submit bug against the packages 
that
don't) Task: spanish to the control files for

doc-linux-es
doc-debian-es
debrecipes-es
apt-howto-es
user-es
aspell-es
ispanish
wspanish
language-env
manpages-es
manpages-es-extra
wordtrans
i2e (should be superceeded by wordrtans for next release)
ayuda
xfonts-intl-european

Ummm... wait a minute... some of these already are in tasksel!
It seems that the following are:
 wspanish
 ispanish
 doc-linux-es
 manpages-es
 user-es


However, when I installed with some brand-new woody CDs the 'Spanish' task 
would not show up... I will try to dig this bug out.

In any case... anybody against broadening the Task package? It's just to make it
similar to task-german, task-french et al..

Regards

Javi

Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

[Erich Schubert]

> One simple question: how are tasks managed? what policy is there for
> creation/addition of packages to it?

See debian-policy...

Excerpt from the changelog:
  * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a
special field in the control file (and these should be added only
after discussion on the mailing lists) closes: Bug#97755


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Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

[Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña]

(I have skimmed this year's debian-devel-announce as well as the developer's
policy and haven't found this explained)

One simple question: how are tasks managed? what policy is there for
creation/addition of packages to it?

Aj[1] seems to say that this is managed by override files. But I wonder if 
whomever
did this checked if the changes were made properly. Why do I know?

1.- Because 'tasksel' does not show up any "Task: Spanish" when in fact there 
was
one in potato.

2.- Because this seems to be a consequence of *no* packages having "Task: 
spanish"

Should I have done something (as maintainer of the task-spanish package), how 
can
we fix this? could it be fixed for woody r1 ??

Regards

Javi


[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2001/debian-boot-200105/msg00075.html