Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
I demand that Nathan Paul Simons may or may not have also sent directly to me despite my not having requested this... On Sat, 2003-04-12 at 08:28, Darren Salt wrote: Hmm. They're conffiles (not sure why, given that they're all binaries); have you tried 2.4 with the 2.3 drums files? I believe I tried that, but I can't recall. As it stands now, I just keep the source to 2.3 around for safekeeping. Right... I use it from time to time, and I think that it should be left in the archive until most people are using 2.6-series kernels (and, thus, ALSA). Ah, I've been lax; I haven't even moved to ALSA yet. Does it do good MIDI? There are, or possibly were, a few known omissions (I forget what) but I find that it's good enough for what I want. I have an SBLive; it has an on-board synth, which sounds almost as good as timidity (and has the advantage of using next to no CPU power). Odd, my current SBLive (bought about a month ago) doesn't seem to have on board synth. Even so, if it only sounds almost as good as timidity, that's pretty piss poor. I say almost as good as, but then I'm using headphones. Maybe I should have said that... Switching on its 3D sound makes it sound practically the same... use an 8MB soundfonts file rather than a 4MB one, or possibly good speakers instead of cheap headphones, and it may well sound better than timidity. OTOH, the only synth support for emu10k1 is in ALSA, although there's OSS support for the MIDI port on these cards (but I don't have anything to plug in there). That would explain why I can't use synth on mine. Hmm. Build ALSA, install awesfx, put the following few lines (or something similar; the first line works for SBLive 5.1 Digital) in a file in /etc/modutils, run update-modules... options snd-emu10k1 index=0 id=SBLive extin=0x3fc3 extout=0x1fff post-install snd-emu10k1 modprobe snd-emu10k1-synth post-install snd-emu10k1-synth modprobe snd-seq-oss post-install snd-seq-oss /usr/bin/sfxload -i /usr/local/share/sfbank/ct4mgm.sf2 (Hmm. playmidi should suggest awesfx. clickety) -- | Darren Salt | nr. Ashington, | linux (or ds) at | woody, sarge, | Northumberland | youmustbejoking | RISC OS | Toon Army | demon co uk | Retrocomputing: a PC card in a Risc PC Unknown disk error, 0:1
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
(Sorry for taking so long to get back) On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 19:18, Cameron Patrick wrote: Er, the SBLive and its Creative brethren do, don't they? At least, I'm presuming that's what sound fonts are for. Has it been removed in later versions of the card? If it's there, I can't find it on my current one (which I bought about a month ago). Anyway, most[1] motherboards these days seem to come with an onboard DSP, but no MIDI. Most people don't bother to buy a real sound card when they've already got one built in, as long as it works with Linux. Me, I bought my SBLive cause the one on my motherboard didn't want to work with Linux. [1] - Yes, I know I really should say most x86 motherboards, but I stopped to think, and most of the other architectures I've ever played with (PowerPC, Alpha, Sparc) had built in sound too, and no MIDI . . . -- The more I use other operating systems, the more I like Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org http://www.gnu.org http://www.linux.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
(Sorry for taking so long to get back) On Sat, 2003-04-12 at 08:28, Darren Salt wrote: Hmm. They're conffiles (not sure why, given that they're all binaries); have you tried 2.4 with the 2.3 drums files? I believe I tried that, but I can't recall. As it stands now, I just keep the source to 2.3 around for safekeeping. I use it from time to time, and I think that it should be left in the archive until most people are using 2.6-series kernels (and, thus, ALSA). Ah, I've been lax; I haven't even moved to ALSA yet. Does it do good MIDI? I have an SBLive; it has an on-board synth, which sounds almost as good as timidity (and has the advantage of using next to no CPU power). Odd, my current SBLive (bought about a month ago) doesn't seem to have on board synth. Even so, if it only sounds almost as good as timidity, that's pretty piss poor. OTOH, the only synth support for emu10k1 is in ALSA, although there's OSS support for the MIDI port on these cards (but I don't have anything to plug in there). That would explain why I can't use synth on mine. Hmm... another reason to keep it, then. Like I've said, I've got the source, I'm not too concerned, but I don't have the time to maintain a package for it. A text editor :-) Yeah, I like vim, but sometimes I just like to have a reassurance that I haven't missed anything. -- The more I use other operating systems, the more I like Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org http://www.gnu.org http://www.linux.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 04:28:40PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote: [snip] For instance, what are some good replacements for magicfilter? apsfilter seems to work well. Not For Me. Every time I've tried it it's been utter crap. Magicfilter, OTOH, Just Works. Just in case anyone out there was hovering on the verge of adopting magicfilter... you know you want to ;) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Phillips -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do not sleep in a eucalyptus tree tonight.
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matijs van Zuijlen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:34:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 10:57:34PM +0200, Lars Bahner wrote: pptp-linux [...] Additionally, pptp-linux seems to be the only/preferred/recommended? way to use ADSL on Linux in the Netherlands (which is where I live). See also http://www.maniac.nl/adsl.html. AFAIK most of the ADSL providers here in Austria use pptp, too. IANADD, but since the only outstanding bugs are wishlist items, I would be happy to take this package. I probably couldn't really test this package without a counterpart, but I can check the packaging nevertheless - feel free to contact me if you need a sponsor. cu andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+mmWIHTOcZYuNdmMRAv0iAJ9HXWJ7tYyFpPgc+bVWBrK2fN+wZwCeJyHv J0Sr3MvF8O3nj2K2dN3Df8U= =lLeJ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
Andrew == Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cadaver Andrew You get ten of these to the penny. Actually, cadaver shouldn't be on that list. The current maintainer is continuing to support it and doesn't want to give it up unless someone else ports it to GnuTLS (I asked). -- Stephen A duck!
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
Le sam 12/04/2003 à 15:34, Andrew Suffield a écrit : phpgroupware Again, several alternatives. Sorry ? pppoeconf Yay, another config tool. Just what we need. Sure. Instead of being able to set up a DSL line in a few seconds, we should let users handle all those configuration files by themselves. I suggest we drop networking support from d-i too. People unable to make a /etc/network/interfaces file don't deserve using Debian. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `'[EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Saturday 12 April 2003 15:34, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 10:57:34PM +0200, Lars Bahner wrote: pptp-linux AIUI, you have to rebuild your kernel with a patch, and the version of the patch in the archive doesn't work on recent kernels. So I doubt many people will be hugely affected. FWIW, I use that one without the kernel patch (you only need the kernel patch for encription). I sometimes want to access some library websites with IP-based authentication (IEEE etc.), so I go through the university (ETHZ) net. They offer VPN as unencrypted pptp or as some cisco specific variant of IPsec that doesn't work with normal IPsec clients (there is a Linux cisco VPN client, but it does some very weird stuff with the network interfaces, so I can't use it on my router at home :-( Not about to offer to take pptp-linux, though - it's not essential for me, and I guess as a non-DD, it would be a bit tough to take on as a first package. cheers -- vbi -- The prablem with Manoca is thot it's difficult ta tell the difference between o cauple af the letters. -- Jacob W. Haller on alt.religion.kibology pgpsJxrPz89R3.pgp Description: signature
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 03:16:00PM +0200, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: Not about to offer to take pptp-linux, though - it's not essential for me, and I guess as a non-DD, it would be a bit tough to take on as a first package. If you change your mind and need a sponsor, let me know. Michael
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:34:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 10:57:34PM +0200, Lars Bahner wrote: pptp-linux AIUI, you have to rebuild your kernel with a patch, and the version of the patch in the archive doesn't work on recent kernels. So I doubt many people will be hugely affected. No patching of the kernel is needed to use this package. The bug referring to kernel-patch-mppe (#180538) only mentions suggesting or recommending the patch. Additionally, pptp-linux seems to be the only/preferred/recommended? way to use ADSL on Linux in the Netherlands (which is where I live). See also http://www.maniac.nl/adsl.html. IANADD, but since the only outstanding bugs are wishlist items, I would be happy to take this package. -- Matijs van Zuijlen ... designed to fill holes or cracks of not more than two cubic vims. -- Robert Sheckley, Untouched by Human Hands pgpUs7l94aMPf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 10:57:34PM +0200, Lars Bahner wrote: I am not currently using anything on the wnpp-list, but it seems to me that not all these packages are better off gotten rid off. Does anyone know something about the importance of these packages? I would suspect packages like: exim-tls Obsolete with the soon-pending exim 4, iirc. udhcpd Do we need another dhcp server? defoma(!) Hopefully somebody will pick it up and make it stop sucking so utterly... mserver Looks insignificant. scanmail Loads of alternatives in the archive. mnogosearch Again, several alternatives. cadaver You get ten of these to the penny. phpgroupware Again, several alternatives. pppoeconf Yay, another config tool. Just what we need. pptp-linux AIUI, you have to rebuild your kernel with a patch, and the version of the patch in the archive doesn't work on recent kernels. So I doubt many people will be hugely affected. to be of some importance. I feel obliged to take responsibility for at least one of them, but - as I said - I use none of them (except for defoma of course). So, do we have some way of separating that which we really want to get rid off from that which unfortuneately has been orphaned? If nobody is willing to take responsibility for it, we want to get rid of it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpoDLr2hs0bo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:34:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: [...] mnogosearch Again, several alternatives. search.d.o is using it, IIRC it was the only search engine able to index foreign languages found on www.d.o. Denis
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:34:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: pptp-linux AIUI, you have to rebuild your kernel with a patch, and the version of the patch in the archive doesn't work on recent kernels. So I doubt many people will be hugely affected. Well, uni shut down VPN-access a while ago, but ISTR that pptp-linux worked out-of-the-box for me. Not sure. Michael
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
I demand that Nathan Paul Simons may or may not have written... [snip] Speaking for myself, I can say that I still have playmidi installed, albeit version 2.3 instead of 2.4 (2.4 drums sound ugly on my wavetable for some reason I can't fathom; not a Debian problem per se, it's in upstream too). Hmm. They're conffiles (not sure why, given that they're all binaries); have you tried 2.4 with the 2.3 drums files? AFAIK, nobody uses playmidi anymore. I use it from time to time, and I think that it should be left in the archive until most people are using 2.6-series kernels (and, thus, ALSA). Most sound cards these days don't even *come* with wavetable synthesis, and software synthesis (ie timidity) sounds so much better than FM synthesis. I have an SBLive; it has an on-board synth, which sounds almost as good as timidity (and has the advantage of using next to no CPU power). OTOH, the only synth support for emu10k1 is in ALSA, although there's OSS support for the MIDI port on these cards (but I don't have anything to plug in there). The only reason I have playmidi installed is that I have a very nice wavetable synthesis daughter board, and playmidi is the only thing I've found that can use it. Hmm... another reason to keep it, then. [snip] For instance, what are some good replacements for magicfilter? apsfilter seems to work well. Or linuxconf? A text editor :-) [snip] -- | Darren Salt | nr. Ashington, | linux (or ds) at | Debian, | Northumberland | youmustbejoking | RISC OS | Toon Army | demon co uk | 2003/04/12 16:51 - Mackems relegated to Division One DO NOT BEND, FOLD, STAPLE, OR IN ANY WAY MUTILATE THIS TAGLINE.
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 04:01:28PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:34:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: [...] mnogosearch Again, several alternatives. search.d.o is using it, IIRC it was the only search engine able to index foreign languages found on www.d.o. Anybody who wants to keep it in Debian is welcome to adopt it. I just don't think we need to be overly worried if nobody does and it gets dumped. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpJyTcGstPfr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
Report about packages that need work for Apr 11, 2003 Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 63 Number of packages offered up for adoption this week: 3 Total number of orphaned packages: 196 Number of packages orphaned this week: 26 The number in parenthesis after each package name is the corresponding bug report number. Please refer to http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for more information. The following packages are orphaned: [NEW] blatte (#188179), orphaned 2 days ago Description: a powerful text markup and transformation language [NEW] dia2code (#187731), orphaned 5 days ago Description: a dia-UML to C/C++/Java code generator [NEW] exim-tls (#188170), orphaned 2 days ago Description: Exim Mailer - with TLS (SSL) support Reverse Depends: mailscanner noffle sourceforge [NEW] filerunner (#188175), orphaned 2 days ago Description: X-Based FTP program file manager [NEW] gnuhtml2latex (#188174), orphaned 2 days ago Description: A Perl script that converts html files to latex [NEW] greg (#188103), orphaned 3 days ago Description: A tool testing framework. [NEW] gstar (#188183), orphaned 2 days ago Description: a gtk front-end for the starchart program Reverse Depends: education-astronomy [NEW] guppi (#188498), orphaned today Description: GNOME graph and plot component, interface to gnumeric Reverse Depends: libguppi-dev gnucash [NEW] hdate (#188178), orphaned 2 days ago Description: Prints Hijra (Islamic lunar) dates, calendar, Islamic prayer times [NEW] kernel-patch-2.2.18-openwall (#188172), orphaned 2 days ago Description: patch to add extra security-related features to the linux kernel. [NEW] kernel-patch-int (#188173), orphaned 2 days ago Description: International patch for the Linux kernel [NEW] latte (#188177), orphaned 2 days ago Description: The Language for Transforming Text (currently to html) [NEW] libgd-gif (#188456), orphaned today Description: GD Graphics Library with gif support (development version) Reverse Depends: php3-cgi-gd libgd-gif-tools nessus gmetad libgd-gif1-dev php3-gd rrdtool librrds-perl librrd0 [NEW] netenv (#188167), orphaned 2 days ago Description: Configure your system for different network environments. [NEW] quickppp (#188176), orphaned 2 days ago Description: PPP configuration tool [NEW] rinetd (#188455), orphaned today Description: Internet redirection server [NEW] sdl-ttf1.2 (#188451), orphaned today Description: Development files for SDL ttf library Reverse Depends: mangoquest python2.2-pygame python2.1-pygame libsdl-ruby libsdl-perl cl-sdl-ttf trackballs langband-zterm libsdl-ttf1.2-dev [NEW] sing (#188168), orphaned 2 days ago Description: A fully programmable ping replacement. [NEW] stringlist (#188182), orphaned 2 days ago Description: StringList - library for handling misc Enlightenment functions Reverse Depends: libstringlist-dev [NEW] tardy (#188105), orphaned 3 days ago Description: A tar(5) post-processor. [NEW] udhcp (#188106), orphaned 3 days ago Description: very small DHCP client and server Reverse Depends: pgi etherconf [NEW] xcb (#187732), orphaned 5 days ago Description: Pigeon holes for your cut and paste selections [NEW] xonix-jahu (#188169), orphaned 2 days ago Description: Xonix clone for X11 [NEW] xpaste (#188180), orphaned 2 days ago Description: A program to display the contents of the primary paste buffer. [NEW] zcip (#188107), orphaned 3 days ago Description: Autonomously obtain an IP address [NEW] zed (#188181), orphaned 2 days ago Description: Powerful, multipurpose, configurable text editor Defoma (#180188), orphaned 62 days ago Description: Debian Font Manager -- automatic font configuration framework. addressbook (#174699), orphaned 101 days ago Description: Tk personal address manager agsatellite (#186978), orphaned 10 days ago Description: Audiogalaxy Satellite (installer) allegro-demo-data (#158141), orphaned 342 days ago Description: datafile for the allegro-demo game Reverse Depends: allegro-demo asis (#154095), orphaned 260 days ago Description: Ada Semantic Interface Specification Reverse Depends: gch asis-programs libasis-3.14p-1-dev biomode (#100215), orphaned 670 days ago Description: [Biology] An Emacs mode to edit genetic data blackened (#175101), orphaned 98 days ago Description: A feature rich ircII based IRC client bnetd (#123479), orphaned 485 days ago Description: Battle.Net server for Unix like systems bpowerd (#176326), orphaned 89 days ago Description: monitor UPS status for Best Patriot power supplies bugsx (#86636), orphaned 780 days ago Description: evolve biomorphs using genetic algorithms
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
I am not currently using anything on the wnpp-list, but it seems to me that not all these packages are better off gotten rid off. Does anyone know something about the importance of these packages? Has/can someone run this against the popularity-contest? My point is that I could prolly adopt a package or two, but have no knowledge or particular interest in what is being offered. On the other hand we should probably take care of the packages we have before we take on new ones, I suppose. I would suspect packages like: exim-tls udhcpd defoma(!) mserver scanmail mnogosearch cadaver phpgroupware pppoeconf pptp-linux to be of some importance. I feel obliged to take responsibility for at least one of them, but - as I said - I use none of them (except for defoma of course). So, do we have some way of separating that which we really want to get rid off from that which unfortuneately has been orphaned? More over I wish to revive the inflammable discussion as to whether or not it would be a good idea to have a section in the archives for unmaintained, much like non-US or non-free. I really think it is the best thing for our users if they can see up front that the package that they are about to install is not necessarily likely to be bugfixed in the foreseeable future. Furthermore if they don't have the skills to fix things themselves, then they just cut of that apt-source. Lars. On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 12:32:33AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Report about packages that need work for Apr 11, 2003 Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 63 Number of packages offered up for adoption this week: 3 Total number of orphaned packages: 196 Number of packages orphaned this week: 26 -- Lars Bahner: http://lars.bahner.com/; Voice: +4792884492; Fax: +4792974492 Key fingerprint = A913 7B54 E5FC 804D C12B 18DE 493D 83DE 5DE6 C5D6
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 13:57, Lars Bahner wrote: I am not currently using anything on the wnpp-list, but it seems to me that not all these packages are better off gotten rid off. Does anyone know something about the importance of these packages? Has/can someone run this against the popularity-contest? Speaking for myself, I can say that I still have playmidi installed, albeit version 2.3 instead of 2.4 (2.4 drums sound ugly on my wavetable for some reason I can't fathom; not a Debian problem per se, it's in upstream too). AFAIK, nobody uses playmidi anymore. Most sound cards these days don't even *come* with wavetable synthesis, and software synthesis (ie timidity) sounds so much better than FM synthesis. The only reason I have playmidi installed is that I have a very nice wavetable synthesis daughter board, and playmidi is the only thing I've found that can use it. I'm no professional MIDI musician, but I suspect that most who are use something other than playmidi. I wouldn't miss it, and I don't think most others will either. As for some of the others, I was thinking about picking up gtick, but I'm not a Debian developer, and it is rumored to be abandoned upstream. I didn't even know about freebirth until someone mentioned that it could probably replace gtick, but it looks like freebirth is orphaned too! There are a couple of others in there that make me wonder: if they go what are some (good) alternatives? For instance, what are some good replacements for magicfilter? Or linuxconf? My point is that I could prolly adopt a package or two, but have no knowledge or particular interest in what is being offered. On the other hand we should probably take care of the packages we have before we take on new ones, I suppose. I would suspect packages like: exim-tls udhcpd defoma(!) mserver scanmail mnogosearch cadaver phpgroupware pppoeconf pptp-linux to be of some importance. I feel obliged to take responsibility for at least one of them, but - as I said - I use none of them (except for defoma of course). So, do we have some way of separating that which we really want to get rid off from that which unfortuneately has been orphaned? More over I wish to revive the inflammable discussion as to whether or not it would be a good idea to have a section in the archives for unmaintained, much like non-US or non-free. I really think it is the best thing for our users if they can see up front that the package that they are about to install is not necessarily likely to be bugfixed in the foreseeable future. Furthermore if they don't have the skills to fix things themselves, then they just cut of that apt-source. Lars. On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 12:32:33AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Report about packages that need work for Apr 11, 2003 Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 63 Number of packages offered up for adoption this week: 3 Total number of orphaned packages: 196 Number of packages orphaned this week: 26 -- Lars Bahner: http://lars.bahner.com/; Voice: +4792884492; Fax: +4792974492 Key fingerprint = A913 7B54 E5FC 804D C12B 18DE 493D 83DE 5DE6 C5D6 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The more I use other operating systems, the more I like Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org http://www.gnu.org http://www.linux.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003
On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 05:23:39PM -0700, Nathan Paul Simons wrote: | | [...] Most sound cards these days don't even *come* with wavetable | synthesis, [...] | Er, the SBLive and its Creative brethren do, don't they? At least, I'm presuming that's what sound fonts are for. Has it been removed in later versions of the card? CP.
