Re: ae as default editor?

1996-09-24 Thread Guy Maor
On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, James A. Robinson wrote:

> Well, I imagine if one takes that idea further, one would say that ae
> is the editor on the base disk because it is easier to use.

Plus it's very small.

> I think the real reason goes back to the fact that experienced users
> can set their EDITOR variable, or handle ae.

That's why I made ae the default editor for vipw.  That and the fact
that otherwise, vipw on the base disks won't work.

And for those of you who think I should rename vipw to aepw or editpw
or emacspw or that I should look at the first strlen()-2 letters and
try to call that, I saw: Pbtl!


Guy




Re: ae as default editor?

1996-09-23 Thread James A. Robinson

> However, I remember a discussion that, I believe, lead to this decision;  >
I
 can't remember all the discussions that have gone on here, there so
very very many. ;-)

> IIRC, it was the same idea that made ae (wrongly) essential - "all other  
> editors can be removed, so ae is a better fallback than vi".

Well, I imagine if one takes that idea further, one would say that ae
is the editor on the base disk because it is easier to use.  Because
it is on the base disk it has "recommended" status.  And so on.  

I think the real reason goes back to the fact that experienced users
can set their EDITOR variable, or handle ae.  New users won't be able
to handle something like vi, so we shouldn't dump them in it unless
they call vi themselves.


Jim

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Re: ae as default editor?

1996-09-23 Thread Dirk . Eddelbuettel

  Martin> Why is ae the default editor for vipw/vigr even on a completely
  Martin> installed system?

It's not a default, it's a fallback which is used when you have not set the
EDITOR variable.

Just try
$ EDITOR=vi vigr

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Dirk Eddelb"uttel http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd




Re: ae as default editor?

1996-09-22 Thread James A. Robinson

> Why is ae the default editor for vipw/vigr even on a completely
> installed system?
> 
> Doesn't VI-gr/pw suggest that a VI clone is executed?  I can
> understand to use ae as a fallback editor, but not as the main one

Probably it is setup for the same reason ae is the default editor on
the base disk.  A new user, somebody who has only known DOS, WindowsX,
or MacOS will probably be completely unable to deal with vi, but will
probably be able to handle ae.  Because these new users might be told
to use vipw or vigr to edit the passwd or group file, it is better to
stick them into a "friendly" editor.  More experienced users will be
able to set their EDITOR variable to call the correct editor (A more
experienced user will also be able to get the job done in ae if need
be).


Jim

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ae as default editor?

1996-09-22 Thread Martin Schulze
Good morning folks,

Why is ae the default editor for vipw/vigr even on a completely
installed system?

Doesn't VI-gr/pw suggest that a VI clone is executed?  I can
understand to use ae as a fallback editor, but not as the main one

# dpkg -l passwd
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ NameVersionDescription
+++-===-==-
ii  passwd  1.0-5  Change password data.

Regards,

Joey

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