Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:32:08 +0200, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 2006-10-06 18:06:47, schrieb Mikhail Gusarov: Do aptitude checks terminal even for 'aptitude install' or 'aptitude search'? Good question! The two offending Servers use Monocrom-Graficcards. Maybe aptitude can not enter a colormode and crash? I thought that you were using ssh? How can the local display of a machine affect incoming ssh sessions? Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fon: *49 621 72739834
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 06:32:08PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-10-06 18:06:47, schrieb Mikhail Gusarov: Do aptitude checks terminal even for 'aptitude install' or 'aptitude search'? Good question! The two offending Servers use Monocrom-Graficcards. Maybe aptitude can not enter a colormode and crash? How can that interfere with the ssh tunnel? Ionut -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006, Jan Kechel wrote: Brian May wrote: Jan == Jan Kechel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jan I wrote a little perl-script: How does this compare with deborphan? deborphan shows you the 'leave' packages of your dependency-tree apt-findremovable checks for a given leave what else can be removed if you removed that leave Ever tried the simulate button in the orphaner frontend? I don't know apt-findremovable's UI but I very much like orphaner's. But then I might be just slightly biased. :) Peter -- | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Peter Palfrader | : :' : The universal http://www.palfrader.org/ | `. `' Operating System | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Peter Palfrader wrote: Ever tried the simulate button in the orphaner frontend? I don't know apt-findremovable's UI but I very much like orphaner's. But then I might be just slightly biased. :) don't care about apt-findremovable anymore, debfoster does it's job much better :) Peter Jan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Am 2006-10-06 12:34:35, schrieb Steinar H. Gunderson: On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 02:42:43AM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: And HOW do you install/remove packages if the TUI from aptitude crashs? You file a bug at the appropriate severity against aptitude? A bugreport about what? If I tell the Maintainer: I am connecting over ssh2 using keys to two of my servers in Tehran, I want to install something and I choose aptitude for better searching, aptitude crashs and kill the ssh session, he/she will close immediatly the bugreport, because this NO bugreport. I do not know, whether it is aptitude or ssh or a related lib. All 6 Servers are Sarge with the latest updates but using Linux 2.4.32. Oh yes, the two offending servers are using Monocrom- Graficcards. If aptitude kills your ssh session, I'd be inclined to believe more was wrong on your machine than just aptitude, but I guess that's up to whoever ends up debugging this to find out. The problem is, that the Servers are in Tehran and I am in Strasbourg. I do not know how to debug this on distance... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Am 2006-10-06 18:06:47, schrieb Mikhail Gusarov: Do aptitude checks terminal even for 'aptitude install' or 'aptitude search'? Good question! The two offending Servers use Monocrom-Graficcards. Maybe aptitude can not enter a colormode and crash? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 06:30:33PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: If aptitude kills your ssh session, I'd be inclined to believe more was wrong on your machine than just aptitude, but I guess that's up to whoever ends up debugging this to find out. The problem is, that the Servers are in Tehran and I am in Strasbourg. I do not know how to debug this on distance... Maybe try to run aptitude in a screen(1). Maybe your ssh session can then survive this and you can capture a backtrace with gdb? - Alexander -- GPG messages preferred.| .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Alexander Sack | : :' : The universal [EMAIL PROTECTED]| `. `' Operating System http://www.asoftsite.org/ | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 06:30:33PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: If I tell the Maintainer: I am connecting over ssh2 using keys to two of my servers in Tehran, I want to install something and I choose aptitude for better searching, aptitude crashs and kill the ssh session, he/she will close immediatly the bugreport, because this NO bugreport. You could check the logs: if sshd is killed, that should be logged. And you can strace sshd from the point you connect to the point it dies, and then you'd know why it died. Or you can start sshd in debugging mode. The thing is, if a crashing app can kill the ssh connection then your system is broken. If you're the sysadmin, then it's _your job_ to find out why. You can ask if you don't know how to debug such a situation, but just complaining instead of doing the work will get you nowhere. The problem is, that the Servers are in Tehran and I am in Strasbourg. I do not know how to debug this on distance... man strace. Enable core dumps if they are disabled (e.g. because you've started sshd with 'ulimit -c 0' in effect) and look for core files. Check the logs; if it's OOM, it will be logged, if ssh dies due to a signal it ought to be logged. You can always start a second sshd on a non-standard port if you're afraid of losing connectivity during debugging. Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Am 2006-10-03 16:26:46, schrieb Michal Cihar: deborphan looks simmilar to what you describe. Anyway if you use aptitude instead of apt-get it tracks all that automatically and you don't have to guess. ...and if you have a computer on which aptitude do not want to run in the terminal? I have two Servers where this is the case. I have encountered thgis, because I had the need to search a package in the list for which aptitude is realy nice. And then, aptitude needs to long to start. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Am 2006-10-04 16:00:28, schrieb Mike Hommey: Interesting... here, it tends to be the contrary. apt-get wants to install a whole lot of packages on dist-upgrade, while aptitude is able to pull the minimum required. Not here. Only the bare minimum. [ '/etc/apt/apt.conf' ]--- Acquire::CDROM::Mount /media/cdrom; APT::Cache-Limit 141943904; APT::Cache::Quiet 2; APT::Cache::ShowFull false; APT::Cache::AllVersions false; APT::Cache::NamesOnly true; APT::Get::Download-Only false; APT::Get::Show-Upgraded true; APT::Get::Purge true; Aptitude::Delete-Unused true; Aptitude::UI::New-Package-Commands true; Aptitude::UI::Pause-After-Download true; Aptitude::Description-Visible-By-Default false; Aptitude::Prompt-On-Exit false; Aptitude::Auto-Upgrade true; Aptitude::Suggests-Important false; Aptitude::Recommends-Important false; Aptitude::Auto-Fix-Broken true; Aptitude::Auto-Install true; -- Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Am 2006-10-04 18:08:50, schrieb Alexey Feldgendler: Why not just stop using apt-get? aptitude can do everything the same as apt-get and even supports the same command line parameters. And HOW do you install/remove packages if the TUI from aptitude crashs? I do not know how aptitude is working and whether it use ncurses or slang but it segfaults all the time on two of my servers and kill the ssh session. Droping apt-get will be a shoot in the feet. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Am 2006-10-04 15:38:18, schrieb Rolf Kutz: apt-get is faster and uses less resources. I have a IBM TP760ED (233Mhz, 128 MB) where aptitude need arround 3 minutes to let me do anything... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 02:42:43AM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: And HOW do you install/remove packages if the TUI from aptitude crashs? You file a bug at the appropriate severity against aptitude? I do not know how aptitude is working and whether it use ncurses or slang but it segfaults all the time on two of my servers and kill the ssh session. If aptitude kills your ssh session, I'd be inclined to believe more was wrong on your machine than just aptitude, but I guess that's up to whoever ends up debugging this to find out. /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
You ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: MK ...and if you have a computer on which aptitude do not want to MK run in the terminal? I have two Servers where this is the case. Do aptitude checks terminal even for 'aptitude install' or 'aptitude search'? -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 2006-10-04 18:08:50, schrieb Alexey Feldgendler: Why not just stop using apt-get? aptitude can do everything the same as apt-get and even supports the same command line parameters. And HOW do you install/remove packages if the TUI from aptitude crashs? I do not know how aptitude is working and whether it use ncurses or slang but it segfaults all the time on two of my servers and kill the ssh session. I'm guessing from what you say here that you are unaware that aptitude will not present a full-screen interface (neither ncurses nor slang) if you give it any explicit command: $ aptitude update $ aptitude search bubble $ aptitude show morse $ aptitude install cowsay $ aptitude --help In this, it is a replacement for apt-get. -- \The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more | `\ expected. -- Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd Ed., 12-Jun-1972 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Brian May wrote: Jan == Jan Kechel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jan I wrote a little perl-script: How does this compare with deborphan? deborphan shows you the 'leave' packages of your dependency-tree apt-findremovable checks for a given leave what else can be removed if you removed that leave .. anyway, it's obsolete, - - 'aptitude' is supposed to do the same, and - - 'debfoster' is exactly the same, only does it this for all packages automatically and asks you through it like an assistant I love debfoster now :) cu, Jan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJMbh58nJkn8diosRA0EyAJ9KNVsjuSRJBMscIM1Qx33eulbb5wCgm3th vpp7VRltx9bCVPLIwDZkgMY= =bYlZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
* Quoting Steinar H. Gunderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 04:13:49PM +0200, Jan Kechel wrote: I always had the problem, that if I removed a package via apt-get remove, that there were still other packages that only were installed because of that package. Use aptitude -- it has had this functionality for quite a while now. AFAIK only if the packages were automatically installed with aptitude. And there's another problem: If you installed a task-package and remove just one of the packages from that task later, the complete task will be removed, since they where all automatically installed. - Rolf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: Cool, didn't know that. But it doesn't work for packages that are already installed via apt-get. I guess I'll use aptitude instead of apt-get from now on, and try to cleanup via apt-findremovable :) Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. I would rather appreciate that apt-get and aptitude share the information of which packages have been explicitely installed and which have been automatically installed. This needs more work than apt-findremovable however. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Premier livre français sur Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:07:02 +0700, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. I would rather appreciate that apt-get and aptitude share the information of which packages have been explicitely installed and which have been automatically installed. Why not just stop using apt-get? aptitude can do everything the same as apt-get and even supports the same command line parameters. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:07:02 +0700, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. I would rather appreciate that apt-get and aptitude share the information of which packages have been explicitely installed and which have been automatically installed. Why not just stop using apt-get? aptitude can do everything the same as apt-get and even supports the same command line parameters. Because aptitude dist-upgrade didn't work for upgrading my sarge desktop to etch... it was unable to compute a solution while apt-get did just fine. And this even if I tried to help him by indicating which packages to remove and which packages to install. And dist-upgrading involves lots of installation of new packages... and removal of old packages. I aptitude dist-upgrade regularly in my sid chroot without troubles. But upgrading from one release to the other is almost impossible with aptitude only, in particular if you have many packages installed with some who have been removed from Debian in the mean time and so on. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Premier livre français sur Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Hello! On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:08:50 +0200, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:07:02 +0700, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. I would rather appreciate that apt-get and aptitude share the information of which packages have been explicitely installed and which have been automatically installed. Why not just stop using apt-get? aptitude can do everything the same as apt-get and even supports the same command line parameters. I reordered the dependencies, to be simpler to compare: = [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -s aptitude | grep Installed Installed-Size: 8424 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -s aptitude | grep Depends Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.1-12), \ libstdc++6 (= 4.1.1-12), \ libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11, libncursesw5 (= 5.4-5), \ libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (= 2.0.2) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -s apt | grep Installed Installed-Size: 4296 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -s apt | grep Depends Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.1-12), \ libstdc++6 (= 4.1.1-12) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ = Except from the difference in size between aptitude and apt, we have: - libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3-11 is provided by apt, so with aptitude we *have* apt - libncursesw5 adds 584K - libsigc++-2.0-0c2a adds 88K Even if it's only about 5M more, sometimes matter (not in my specific case, however). Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca pgp7iuBS7UlJs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Hi, On Wednesday 04 October 2006 13:08, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: Why not just stop using apt-get? aptitude can do everything the same as apt-get and even supports the same command line parameters. aptitude neither understand build-dep nor source as command... regards, Holger pgpzOncdKZyob.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 aptitude has this apt has that aptitude can't do that apt can't do this [...] .. is this always here like this? Isn't it just that some prefer apt and some aptitude, and that of course those that prefer aptitude think that apt-findremovable is obsolete, and that those that prefer apt not? I hope i helped the apt-users, at least it won't hurt the aptitude users. ack? jan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFI60u58nJkn8diosRA0RHAJ9VDAS5Mc/ynHXy23BOv1Shny7vwQCfXcQK AlLzmeRT4J04KkS6DxdsRF8= =ClTm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 02:46:39PM +0200, Jan Kechel wrote: Isn't it just that some prefer apt and some aptitude, and that of course those that prefer aptitude think that apt-findremovable is obsolete, and that those that prefer apt not? Just a bit more nitpicking: apt is different from apt-get. apt-get and aptitude are different frontends to apt (just as, say, synaptic is). It's just that apt-get is deprecated for most end-users now that aptitude exists and is stable. /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
* Quoting Alexey Feldgendler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:07:02 +0700, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. I would rather appreciate that apt-get and aptitude share the information of which packages have been explicitely installed and which have been automatically installed. Why not just stop using apt-get? aptitude can do everything the same as apt-get and even supports the same command line parameters. apt-get is faster and uses less resources. - Rolf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 01:50:59PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2006, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:07:02 +0700, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. I would rather appreciate that apt-get and aptitude share the information of which packages have been explicitely installed and which have been automatically installed. Why not just stop using apt-get? aptitude can do everything the same as apt-get and even supports the same command line parameters. Because aptitude dist-upgrade didn't work for upgrading my sarge desktop to etch... it was unable to compute a solution while apt-get did just fine. And this even if I tried to help him by indicating which packages to remove and which packages to install. Interesting... here, it tends to be the contrary. apt-get wants to install a whole lot of packages on dist-upgrade, while aptitude is able to pull the minimum required. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 01:07:02PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I would rather appreciate that apt-get and aptitude share the information of which packages have been explicitely installed and which have been automatically installed. I often install packages to play with them a little or just to read the man page. 90% of the time I do _not_ want to keep those packages regardless that I have installed them manually. And there are cases when a package is no longer depended on but I still want to keep it. That's why I like debfoster: it asks the question do you want to keep the package or not, which is orthogonal to how and why it was installed. Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:23:21PM +0700, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: Seems like debfoster does what you need. However, it's considered obsolete now that aptitude takes care of unused packages. debfoster (2.6-1) unstable; urgency=low * New upstream version, new maintainer team. * Revert deprecation. Closes: #366518. Long live debfoster :-) Gabor Still my favorite too. aptitude always screws up (does not what I want in comandline mode). MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Jan == Jan Kechel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jan I wrote a little perl-script: How does this compare with deborphan? Package: deborphan Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 176 Maintainer: Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 1.7.15 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-4), dialog (= 0.9b-20040316-1), bash (= 2.05b-14), gettext-base (= 0.14.1-6) Recommends: apt Filename: pool/main/d/deborphan/deborphan_1.7.15_i386.deb Size: 55196 MD5sum: f01a990910d3f1d790f2e99cb0289734 SHA1: f08ed25480c30d882af3fd2e39b4705306afeeb9 SHA256: f63ea8e0e75a64e6eea305195225276a649eaf36ceee2e839a3f7c62f461737f Description: Find orphaned libraries deborphan finds orphaned packages on your system. It determines which packages have no other packages depending on their installation, and shows you a list of these packages. It is most useful when finding libraries, but it can be used on packages in all sections. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Alexey == Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexey On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:07:02 +0700, Raphael Hertzog Alexey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. I would rather appreciate that apt-get and aptitude share the information of which packages have been explicitely installed and which have been automatically installed. Alexey Why not just stop using apt-get? aptitude can do Alexey everything the same as apt-get and even supports the same Alexey command line parameters. I have found (in the past) that aptitude gets confused if it downloads a corrupt file (e.g. because the version on the server is corrupt), and instead of telling the user of the problem, the file is ignored and deleted, resulting in the user assuming an upgrade went flawlessly, when in actual fact it didn't. Not sure if this is fixed yet or not. When this has happened in the past, I have spent all my available time working out why aptitude is repeatedly downloading the same file, and then trying to work out why the file is corrupt, that I run out of time to file meaningful bug reports. apt-get on the other hand will tell the user immediately of any problems. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi, I hope this is the right mailinglist for this. I always had the problem, that if I removed a package via apt-get remove, that there were still other packages that only were installed because of that package. I wrote a little perl-script: NAME apt-findremovable - tries to find out which packages might be installed only because of a specified one. SYNOPSIS $ apt-findremovable package-name DESCRIPTION we use 'apt-cache depends' and 'apt-cache rdepends' to find out which packages might be installed only because of the specified one. EXAMPLE $ ./apt-findremovable texlive ... Only texlive depends on the following installed packages: perl-tk texlive-doc-en texlive-context texlive-metapost The v0.1 release can downloaded via: http://prevalent-digest.de/apt-findremovable/apt-findremovable-0.1.tar.bz2 So my questions are: Is there a mailinglist special for apt-tools? Does a tool like this already exist? Would alioth.debian.org be the right place for this? cu, Jan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFInAZ58nJkn8diosRA1S7AKC44GtaofheGWG7Z0NiQuB6FhVzwACgxtPb wDnn3RHyi4sypymI+1fdh4s= =SC+e -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 04:13:49PM +0200, Jan Kechel wrote: I always had the problem, that if I removed a package via apt-get remove, that there were still other packages that only were installed because of that package. Use aptitude -- it has had this functionality for quite a while now. /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Hi On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:13:49 +0200 Jan Kechel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does a tool like this already exist? deborphan looks simmilar to what you describe. Anyway if you use aptitude instead of apt-get it tracks all that automatically and you don't have to guess. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Michal Čihař wrote: deborphan looks simmilar to what you describe. yeah, similar, also it finds only the leaves, while apt-findremovable checks which depends have no other rdepends than the specified one Anyway if you use aptitude instead of apt-get it tracks all that automatically and you don't have to guess. Cool, didn't know that. But it doesn't work for packages that are already installed via apt-get. I guess I'll use aptitude instead of apt-get from now on, and try to cleanup via apt-findremovable :) Thanks, Jan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFInmO58nJkn8diosRAybpAKDArd/N2vryvcUGD9GyqWA176ndXgCfUCgC SPUejm4uyweGVWTh2ifOWtY= =A84s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:54:09 +0700, Jan Kechel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deborphan looks simmilar to what you describe. yeah, similar, also it finds only the leaves, while apt-findremovable checks which depends have no other rdepends than the specified one Seems like debfoster does what you need. However, it's considered obsolete now that aptitude takes care of unused packages. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/06 09:54, Jan Kechel wrote: Michal ihaY wrote: deborphan looks simmilar to what you describe. yeah, similar, also it finds only the leaves, while apt-findremovable checks which depends have no other rdepends than the specified one Anyway if you use aptitude instead of apt-get it tracks all that automatically and you don't have to guess. Cool, didn't know that. But it doesn't work for packages that are already installed via apt-get. I guess I'll use aptitude instead of apt-get from now on, and try to cleanup via apt-findremovable :) Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFIoeaS9HxQb37XmcRAhFFAJ9HWQNCYY1GEaRgevnIyoGkTYF0IACdFe68 0BAr1Rl8tPAKIu8w9LFNdpQ= =QNkO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. cool :) I just released v0.2: http://prevalent-digest.de/apt-findremovable/ .. it's getting slower (takes about 1min to complete), but now it re-checks, if apt-cache rdepends results really depend on that package, or if they only suggest/recommend it. now the result on my system for 'apt-findremovable texlive' looks like this: - -- cut -- Only texlive really depends on the following installed packages: perl-tk texlive-doc-en tex-common texlive-latex-base texlive-base texlive-doc-base libxml-parser-perl texlive-base-bin texlive-metapost texlive-pdfetex libpoppler0c2 texlive-latex-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-context - -- end cut -- have fun trying it. (manually i would never have found that e.g. perl-tk and libpoppler0c2 is not used by anything else .. ) cu, Jan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFIolb58nJkn8diosRAyynAKCN83Brnot6TaIUc04R8hYTxShdtACeL/9t BAoCeFmD4mIFc0elsg2Dz60= =7Oxp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Jan Kechel: Michal Čihař wrote: Anyway if you use aptitude instead of apt-get it tracks all that automatically and you don't have to guess. Cool, didn't know that. But it doesn't work for packages that are already installed via apt-get. You can mark all packages as installed automatically (this will mark them for removal), then mark all essential and base ones as installed manually (this will keep them and their dependencies), and then work your way through the rest, starting with the most obvious ones (i.e., mark xserver-xorg and your DE as installed manually, this will keep a lot of packages). When you’re finished with the list, everything not needed will be marked for removal. -- Shot -- chanman` everyone at school is saving for a car chanman` I'm saving for a server rack pgpvWsQyNaOlK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/06 11:01, Jan Kechel wrote: Some of us are partial to apt-get and would appreciate apt-findremovable. cool :) I just released v0.2: http://prevalent-digest.de/apt-findremovable/ .. it's getting slower (takes about 1min to complete), but now it re-checks, if apt-cache rdepends results really depend on that package, or if they only suggest/recommend it. now the result on my system for 'apt-findremovable texlive' looks like this: [snip] have fun trying it. (manually i would never have found that e.g. perl-tk and libpoppler0c2 is not used by anything else .. ) Thanks. Is a single perl script worth packaging, though? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFIo3+S9HxQb37XmcRAlmoAJ9/oueILTjvg/sAfSolXrzAJpTSPwCdHbzf hm8j+6XA1NJIa1Su1i5AA54= =XxhJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
Am Dienstag 03 Oktober 2006 16:26 schrieb Michal Čihař: if you use aptitude instead of apt-get it tracks all that automatically and you don't have to guess. Only if you also installed the package-to-remove with aptitude. HS
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:34:37 +0200 Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Dienstag 03 Oktober 2006 16:26 schrieb Michal Čihař: if you use aptitude instead of apt-get it tracks all that automatically and you don't have to guess. Only if you also installed the package-to-remove with aptitude. Or you marked all as automatically installed and set those you need as manually installed (I know it is extra work, but it is worth of it and it is less work that going through packages using tools that guess whether you need them). -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
#include hallo.h * Shot (Piotr Szotkowski) [Tue, Oct 03 2006, 05:11:46PM]: Jan Kechel: Michal Čihař wrote: Anyway if you use aptitude instead of apt-get it tracks all that automatically and you don't have to guess. Cool, didn't know that. But it doesn't work for packages that are already installed via apt-get. You can mark all packages as installed automatically (this will mark them for removal), then mark all essential and base ones as installed manually (this will keep them and their dependencies), and then work your way through the rest, starting with the most obvious ones (i.e., mark xserver-xorg and your DE as installed manually, this will keep a lot of packages). When you’re finished with the list, everything not needed will be marked for removal. Aha... Ok... And how many cobolds do you need to kill to win that game? (SCNR) Eduard. -- Naja, Garbage Collector eben. Holt den Müll sogar vom Himmel. (Heise Trollforum über Java in der Flugzeugsteuerung)
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:23:21PM +0700, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: Seems like debfoster does what you need. However, it's considered obsolete now that aptitude takes care of unused packages. debfoster (2.6-1) unstable; urgency=low * New upstream version, new maintainer team. * Revert deprecation. Closes: #366518. Long live debfoster :-) Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/06 13:37, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Shot (Piotr Szotkowski) [Tue, Oct 03 2006, 05:11:46PM]: Jan Kechel: Michal Čihař wrote: [snip] Aha... Ok... And how many cobolds do you need to kill to win that game? (SCNR) s/cobolds/kobolds s/cobolds/COBOLs Take your pick. Are you on netcrack, or are you a DP geezer? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFIxUvS9HxQb37XmcRAkcaAJ9dGtsUrnkLlI2nHp8hYwH1t3Hi1ACdFUg8 UoGfSPJJ7e1EE01Cgm9jb0I= =nECW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
