Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-21 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 18 Feb 2011, Daniel Leidert wrote:
> > [Added Associations]
> > x-scheme-handler/http=iceweasel.desktop;
> > x-scheme-handler/https=iceweasel.desktop;
> 
> into $HOME/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list.


YEAHHH!!! Finally someone who stepped forward and *explained* what to
do instead of lazying around and ignoring complains.

BIG BIG THANKS:

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-18 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Freitag, den 11.02.2011, 17:11 +0100 schrieb Leo "costela" Antunes:
> On 11/02/11 16:49, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > On Fr, 11 Feb 2011, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> >> $ grep x-scheme-handler/http /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
> >> x-scheme-handler/http=midori.desktop;chromium-browser.desktop;
> >> x-scheme-handler/https=midori.desktop;chromium-browser.desktop;
> >>
> >> And it takes precedence over what you quoted.
> > 
> > Thanks a lot!!!
> > 
> > Ahhh, and how does one fix that? This is misbehaviour. Whom should
> > this bug reported to? mime or chromium?
> 
> I noticed the same issue here a few days ago.
> Adding the "x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https;" entries to
> iceweasel.desktop doesn't really solve the issue, because there doesn't
> seem to be a mechanism to define priorities in update-desktop-database,
> so gvfs-open uses the first entry in mimeinfo.cache.

You can put:

> [Added Associations]
> x-scheme-handler/http=iceweasel.desktop;
> x-scheme-handler/https=iceweasel.desktop;

into $HOME/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list.

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Re: Re: Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 15 février 2011 à 11:30 +0100, Fabian Greffrath a écrit : 
> > The disappearance of this applet in git master is very concerning, but I
> > just received mention on IRC (thanks fredp) that the functionality will
> > be back soon.
> 
> I see, it will most probably become part of the System Information tab:
> 
> http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/SystemInformation

Now, it *is* part of the system information tab. :)

http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/log/panels/info

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Re: Re: Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-15 Thread Fabian Greffrath

The disappearance of this applet in git master is very concerning, but I
just received mention on IRC (thanks fredp) that the functionality will
be back soon.


I see, it will most probably become part of the System Information tab:

http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/SystemInformation


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Re: Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 14 février 2011 à 15:33 +0100, Fabian Greffrath a écrit : 
> It seems the panel to set the preferred applications has been removed 
> from future versions of the control center on purpose of the GNOME 
> developers:
> 
> http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-development/2011-02/msg00116.html

The disappearance of this applet in git master is very concerning, but I
just received mention on IRC (thanks fredp) that the functionality will
be back soon.

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 15 février 2011 à 01:03 +0900, Norbert Preining a écrit : 
> > The defaults are set in /etc/gnome/defaults.list. This file is used in
> 
> And per user?

.local/share/applications/defaults.list and mimeapps.list
The former sets defaults associations, the latter is necessary to add
associations that are not mentioned in the desktop files (like in this
case, iceweasel/epiphany).

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mo, 14 Feb 2011, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > How is that default communicated? An environment variable? A gconf key?
> 
> The defaults are set in /etc/gnome/defaults.list. This file is used in

And per user?

> Good. We can probably let it migrate once epiphany and iceweasel have
> been fixed; unless you want the configuration GUI, which means

I need *any UI to control that? Currently I use vim to remove the
entries from the desktop files of midori, epiphany, chromium, which 
is not the best approach.

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 14 février 2011 à 14:28 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : 
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > There will be a default selected in gnome-session, that can be changed
> > by user action. Without a session-wide default (any session manager can
> > set one, of course) a random choice (possibly alphabetical) is used.
> 
> How is that default communicated? An environment variable? A gconf key?

The defaults are set in /etc/gnome/defaults.list. This file is used in
GNOME session since there is a XDG_DATA_DIRS indirectly pointing to it
(set in a Xsession script).

> > We are used to have much more terrible breakage in testing/unstable
> > right after a release. If our concerns are now bugs wrt. setting the
> > default browser, it must mean we are doing *great* :)
> 
> Well, if we want to be serious about Constantly Usable Testing (and I wish
> we do) I believe we should care about such things because they are far from
> being details from an end-user perspective.

Fully agreed. One of my concerns with CUT is that once such a change
reaches testing without the other impacted packages, it can stay buggy
for weeks, even months.

> Filed #613381 to block glib2.0.

Good. We can probably let it migrate once epiphany and iceweasel have
been fixed; unless you want the configuration GUI, which means
gnome-control-center 3.x - and if you really want to tie glib2.0 with
it, I’ll let you deal with the RT fallback :)

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Re: Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Fabian Greffrath

There will be a default selected in gnome-session, that can be changed
by user action. Without a session-wide default (any session manager can
set one, of course) a random choice (possibly alphabetical) is used.


It seems the panel to set the preferred applications has been removed 
from future versions of the control center on purpose of the GNOME 
developers:


http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-development/2011-02/msg00116.html

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mo, 14 Feb 2011, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> We are used to have much more terrible breakage in testing/unstable
> right after a release. If our concerns are now bugs wrt. setting the
> default browser, it must mean we are doing *great* :)

Aehmm, I have set the default browser in about 10 places and still gnome
ignores it?!?!

Are you joking? How many more places should I care for?

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > How is one supposed to prioritize between the various browsers?
> 
> There will be a default selected in gnome-session, that can be changed
> by user action. Without a session-wide default (any session manager can
> set one, of course) a random choice (possibly alphabetical) is used.

How is that default communicated? An environment variable? A gconf key?

(I'm looking for a work-around for myself that can be used immediately)
 
> Maybe 2.32, but it won’t be uploaded anyway, so that will be 3.0 to have
> the GUI to configure that default.

That means in several months. :(

> > From a user point of view, it's disturbing and this change will reach
> > testing if we don't finish is properly soon enough (or open an appropriate
> > RC bug on glib to avoid having it migrate before the other components are
> > in place).
> 
> We are used to have much more terrible breakage in testing/unstable
> right after a release. If our concerns are now bugs wrt. setting the
> default browser, it must mean we are doing *great* :)

Well, if we want to be serious about Constantly Usable Testing (and I wish
we do) I believe we should care about such things because they are far from
being details from an end-user perspective.

Filed #613381 to block glib2.0.

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 14 feb 11, 12:33:49, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > 
> > How is one supposed to prioritize between the various browsers?
> 
> There will be a default selected in gnome-session, that can be changed
> by user action. Without a session-wide default (any session manager can
> set one, of course) a random choice (possibly alphabetical) is used.

Maybe x-www-browser would be a good default?

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 14 février 2011 à 12:26 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : 
> > There are defaults shipped in gnome-session, precisely to avoid that
> > kind of issue.
> > 
> > With glib 2.28, the x-scheme-handler/* stuff becomes the new priority.
> > It just means we have to update epiphany to include it and gnome-session
> > to set the defaults.
> > 
> > I don’t think it requires more drama than that.
> 
> How is one supposed to prioritize between the various browsers?

There will be a default selected in gnome-session, that can be changed
by user action. Without a session-wide default (any session manager can
set one, of course) a random choice (possibly alphabetical) is used.

> What version of Gnome does the right thing to match what glib expect?

Maybe 2.32, but it won’t be uploaded anyway, so that will be 3.0 to have
the GUI to configure that default.

> From a user point of view, it's disturbing and this change will reach
> testing if we don't finish is properly soon enough (or open an appropriate
> RC bug on glib to avoid having it migrate before the other components are
> in place).

We are used to have much more terrible breakage in testing/unstable
right after a release. If our concerns are now bugs wrt. setting the
default browser, it must mean we are doing *great* :)

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le samedi 12 février 2011 à 01:15 +0900, Norbert Preining a écrit : 
> > > I'd say it should probably be reported as a minor bug in gvfs-open, to
> > > respect gnome settings before falling back to mimeinfo.cache.
> > 
> > I consider that not minor. If alphabetic order is what I am forced to
> > live with, that is 60ies computing style.
> 
> There are defaults shipped in gnome-session, precisely to avoid that
> kind of issue.
> 
> With glib 2.28, the x-scheme-handler/* stuff becomes the new priority.
> It just means we have to update epiphany to include it and gnome-session
> to set the defaults.
> 
> I don’t think it requires more drama than that.

How is one supposed to prioritize between the various browsers?

What version of Gnome does the right thing to match what glib expect?

>From a user point of view, it's disturbing and this change will reach
testing if we don't finish is properly soon enough (or open an appropriate
RC bug on glib to avoid having it migrate before the other components are
in place).

Not a drama, but still something we should care about.

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 12 février 2011 à 01:15 +0900, Norbert Preining a écrit : 
> > I'd say it should probably be reported as a minor bug in gvfs-open, to
> > respect gnome settings before falling back to mimeinfo.cache.
> 
> I consider that not minor. If alphabetic order is what I am forced to
> live with, that is 60ies computing style.

There are defaults shipped in gnome-session, precisely to avoid that
kind of issue.

With glib 2.28, the x-scheme-handler/* stuff becomes the new priority.
It just means we have to update epiphany to include it and gnome-session
to set the defaults.

I don’t think it requires more drama than that.

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-12 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 11 Feb 2011, Josh Triplett wrote:
> See http://bugs.debian.org/612876 for the bug report.  I encountered the
> same issue, and finally found the culprit through reading the
> chromium-browser changelog.

Umpf, I have removed the x-scheme-handler/http and x-scheme-handler/https
ffrom the chromium-browser.desktop and called update-desktop-database,
now midori starts.

Then I edited midori.desktop, now epiphany-browser starts,
where does that end???

I checked xdg-open, and it calls gvfs-open, which in turn (checking the
sources) calls
g_app_info_launch_uris
from gio/gappinfo.h which belongs to libglib2.0-dev. There I tried
to read the code but gave up.

I suggest to raise the severity to serious, and reassign to 
libglib2.0*whatever*.

WDYT?

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-11 Thread Josh Triplett
See http://bugs.debian.org/612876 for the bug report.  I encountered the
same issue, and finally found the culprit through reading the
chromium-browser changelog.

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-11 Thread Norbert Preining
> iceweasel.desktop doesn't really solve the issue, because there doesn't
> seem to be a mechanism to define priorities in update-desktop-database,
> so gvfs-open uses the first entry in mimeinfo.cache.

Umpf, so we are either forced to always use what comes 
alphabetically first, or remove packages?

> I'd say it should probably be reported as a minor bug in gvfs-open, to
> respect gnome settings before falling back to mimeinfo.cache.

I consider that not minor. If alphabetic order is what I am forced to
live with, that is 60ies computing style.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-11 Thread Leo "costela" Antunes
On 11/02/11 16:49, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Fr, 11 Feb 2011, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
>> $ grep x-scheme-handler/http /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
>> x-scheme-handler/http=midori.desktop;chromium-browser.desktop;
>> x-scheme-handler/https=midori.desktop;chromium-browser.desktop;
>>
>> And it takes precedence over what you quoted.
> 
> Thanks a lot!!!
> 
> Ahhh, and how does one fix that? This is misbehaviour. Whom should
> this bug reported to? mime or chromium?

I noticed the same issue here a few days ago.
Adding the "x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https;" entries to
iceweasel.desktop doesn't really solve the issue, because there doesn't
seem to be a mechanism to define priorities in update-desktop-database,
so gvfs-open uses the first entry in mimeinfo.cache.

I'd say it should probably be reported as a minor bug in gvfs-open, to
respect gnome settings before falling back to mimeinfo.cache.

Thoughts?

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 11 Feb 2011, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> $ grep x-scheme-handler/http /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
> x-scheme-handler/http=midori.desktop;chromium-browser.desktop;
> x-scheme-handler/https=midori.desktop;chromium-browser.desktop;
> 
> And it takes precedence over what you quoted.

Thanks a lot!!!

Ahhh, and how does one fix that? This is misbehaviour. Whom should
this bug reported to? mime or chromium?

The point is that xdg/gvfs/whatever should use what is configured for
it.

Why do we need: 
- *-browser in alternatives
- dedicated gnome setting
- whatever else
if at the end gvfs-open uses mime which is messed up?

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-11 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Norbert Preining  (12/02/2011):
> I checked:
> - alternatives of: x-www-browser, sensible-browser, www-browser, gnome-browser
>   and all of them point to iceweasel
> - checked the "preferred applications" in GNOME and it also shows
>   iceweasel
> - checked with 
> xdg-settings get default-web-browser
>   also iceweasel
> 
> I am a bit lost now where to go, I always get chromium, which I don't want,
> but I want to keep it around in case I need it for some web sites.

-(cyril@talisker)-(~)-()
$ grep x-scheme-handler/http /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
x-scheme-handler/http=midori.desktop;chromium-browser.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/https=midori.desktop;chromium-browser.desktop;

And it takes precedence over what you quoted.

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chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi everyone, esp chromium and mime devs,

since some time chromium has taken over all http/https urls. I checked
every place I could for the correct settings, but I didn't manage to
find the real culprit. It seems that gnome/VTE/whatever uses xdg-open,
which in turn uses gvfs-open.

Reading throught the straces of gvfs-open I see references to mime.

I checked:
- alternatives of: x-www-browser, sensible-browser, www-browser, gnome-browser
  and all of them point to iceweasel
- checked the "preferred applications" in GNOME and it also shows
  iceweasel
- checked with 
xdg-settings get default-web-browser
  also iceweasel

I am a bit lost now where to go, I always get chromium, which I don't want,
but I want to keep it around in case I need it for some web sites.

Please advice anyone?!

Best wishes

Norbert

Norbert Preiningpreining@{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at, debian.org}
JAIST, Japan TeX Live & Debian Developer
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SKELLOW (adj.)
Descriptive of the satisfaction experienced when looking at a really
good dry-stone wall.
--- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff


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