Re: congratulations to the X team!!
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I ended up downgrading to xfree86 from testing, and then upgraded back up to xorg from unstable (and all that went smoothly). I was also using ubuntu's xorg on Sid, but unlike you I am still unable to install xserver-xorg and xserver-common or even xserver-xfree86 from testing. This means I can't run GNOME. Can you help? Er, well, what goes wrong? I think I had to temporarily de-install a bunch of random Gnome packages and the like too. Of course I just re-installed them after I was done. I use aptitude BTW, which is generally a bit smarter about things than other package managers. -Miles -- Ich bin ein Virus. Mach' mit und kopiere mich in Deine .signature. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On 7/15/05, Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I previously had xorg from Ubuntu installed, and upgrading from that to Debian's xorg _didn't_ go smoothly: the file /etc/X11/Xsession was created by two packages, x11-common [debian], and xorg-common [ubuntu], and in upgrading tried to install x11-common before removing xorg-common. I ended up downgrading to xfree86 from testing, and then upgraded back up to xorg from unstable (and all that went smoothly). [I know none of that is supported, but just FYI... :-] -Miles -- ((lambda (x) (list x x)) (lambda (x) (list x x))) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I was also using ubuntu's xorg on Sid, but unlike you I am still unable to install xserver-xorg and xserver-common or even xserver-xfree86 from testing. This means I can't run GNOME. Can you help? malebo...
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, David Nusinow wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 02:41:18PM +0300, Jaakko Niemi wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Sean Perry wrote: I just updated to X.org. With apt. Automatically. Woohoo!! I mean full on xserver-xorg too. I did not touch ANYTHING. My only gripe is that the upload did not have pciids for radeon X700 etc. http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/06/msg00179.html Now I'm pondering between sending a patch and trusting people to check their TODO lists :=) Patches are most assuredly welcome :-) I took a diff against current upstream and ended up with same content with ati driver as with the diff that was removed. Took me less than two minutes to look up the exact upstream revision in which changes against xf86PciInfo.h for example were made: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common/xf86PciInfo.h?r1=1.5r2=1.6 Is there something I'm missing here? --j -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 02:53:42PM +0300, Jaakko Niemi wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, David Nusinow wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 02:41:18PM +0300, Jaakko Niemi wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Sean Perry wrote: I just updated to X.org. With apt. Automatically. Woohoo!! I mean full on xserver-xorg too. I did not touch ANYTHING. My only gripe is that the upload did not have pciids for radeon X700 etc. http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/06/msg00179.html Now I'm pondering between sending a patch and trusting people to check their TODO lists :=) Patches are most assuredly welcome :-) I took a diff against current upstream and ended up with same content with ati driver as with the diff that was removed. Took me less than two minutes to look up the exact upstream revision in which changes against xf86PciInfo.h for example were made: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common/xf86PciInfo.h?r1=1.5r2=1.6 Is there something I'm missing here? I already applied a patch reported by Harald Welte to incorporate the X700 PCI ID's. This was uploaded in the -4 revision of the Debian packages a few days ago. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 12:08:00PM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 10:17:24AM +0200, Benjamin Mesing wrote: my congratulation to the team too. However I was not as fortunate as the Sean. Me too, at least on this machine I had to explicitly install xserver-xorg to complete the move. BTW, I see the rendering of some ttf fonts looks not so good. For instance I used happily this resource: XTerm*Font: -monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--15-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-15 and the visual quality of that font is now less good. Ok I can confirm that apt-get dist-upgrade does not remove xserver-xfree86 and install xserver-xorg. I know that aptitude is the way to go, but currently its ask for removing a good deal of more packages. If interested I could replicate on a third box and follup a verbose report on BTS. I'm not completely pesuaded it is not a transient issue, anyway... -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:21:36PM +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Well, dosn't work either. It was just a idea that all the packages don't get deinstalled and maybe can be used. Also pdl which is needed for gimp-perl has wrong dependencies. I've already uploaded a fixed pdl package, but it didn't compile on all architectures yet, as x.org seems to be missing on some of them. -- c u henning -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thursday 14 July 2005 04:29 pm, Greg Folkert wrote: But, I don't see the rendering problems others see. Of course I have an When I first started up xorg after the upgrade, it took a full 100% of the CPU. I restarted X, same deal...So I rebooted and started X, and the problem disappeared. Sid box. Other than that, my Mepis box at home took the upgrade as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Also congratulation from me too. I thought of many think that whould be broken but only few packages I liked very much did not work anymore as they need xlibmesa-glu: xine openuniverse planetpenguin-racer audacity flightgear ssystem stellarium xscreensaver-gl I will try to make a dummy-package which provides xlibmesa-glu and depends on libglu1-xorg. ;-) Gruß Klaus Ps. Im not a official debian maintainer but also a beer from me for them I meet in person. ;-) - -- Klaus Ethgenhttp://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQtfwmJ+OKpjRpO3lAQLlBQf/ZKz3IGNSxgJ9SUH8BKIlJVIaWbi71DKd juPyhaefL1zIEdF+5d1hkI+56fStoru9TpMK/zJlXu8H4KRKxu/rwAD3TxlTeycN M5zQ8OD7N5aTtGsA6UlJzJI8O9jzF+YrfgaSnqnbdD0Kv2+WyBlf0pExK3JQcbSq VY7D+TKAFRArPzH7tup+SKw5sUHr1Ikkp/zwrP+RmEunNWChGbT3EYXl2eiGQiF9 m5lfpq9aoCHE1vw0j4jQ5Sro9fZG4Q1DTjcb5dTv7f3i4gTXhUXZUUA1e/eBGOYu PpZQOuJ82lokClI0h0hxIplSVHsCelvdEyo+J6GdFNJvm+VMlY9S3w== =n7v8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I will try to make a dummy-package which provides xlibmesa-glu and depends on libglu1-xorg. ;-) Hmpf, dosn't work as libglu1-xorg conflicts xlibmesa-glu :-( Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgenhttp://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQtfya5+OKpjRpO3lAQLw0Af7BzbWJayX5v/YllsCAWWfnA1DlsXiheEw TYprFvfapMCfCgldylwK9ipmiT2TX18hEXYO0e3++kQVBSsSNEpYjy4WKMbaDch6 WwbnhbewKem/WKzcLZMqQv0sjl7JGveNWgE0DCpYVVmkU6Ybb1YHiyN0YaEzpIBl kC/ROzZWAy24zAA6JJSj968en67jzewXldjz3Mc9lMGkCg1EK3sUZ6Ld+UqKXbcR lJSgaPq7ebSCm5k2yuWKJ4VW+9PhYkmvfPdbtqN6mRFQ4jDEvULpz2KXqBz+slXp xjMbKTjC3CLv/xUGzY1GrBmzNSAyhEY4tHVm2SHRyIB4VTlOBRrbFg== =AW30 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 07:21:28PM +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Also congratulation from me too. I thought of many think that whould be broken but only few packages I liked very much did not work anymore as they need xlibmesa-glu: xine openuniverse planetpenguin-racer audacity flightgear ssystem stellarium xscreensaver-gl I will try to make a dummy-package which provides xlibmesa-glu and depends on libglu1-xorg. ;-) Please don't do this. We're trying to transition the libglu1-xorg packages and the above packages should be fixed by their respective maintainers in time. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 07:21:28PM +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Also congratulation from me too. I thought of many think that whould be broken but only few packages I liked very much did not work anymore as they need xlibmesa-glu: xine openuniverse planetpenguin-racer audacity flightgear ssystem stellarium xscreensaver-gl I will try to make a dummy-package which provides xlibmesa-glu and depends on libglu1-xorg. ;-) Why do people think that xorg broke library dependencies for our entertainment, and that patching over the dependencies is an ok solution? The package name changed because it is *not* *compatible*. No one said the C++ transition was supposed to be fun, did they? -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:59:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 07:21:28PM +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote: I will try to make a dummy-package which provides xlibmesa-glu and depends on libglu1-xorg. ;-) Why do people think that xorg broke library dependencies for our entertainment, and that patching over the dependencies is an ok solution? The package name changed because it is *not* *compatible*. No one said the C++ transition was supposed to be fun, did they? I'm mainly depressed that people aren't reading Planet Debian, or are just ignoring it. Is there a better place to post this sort of thing so that users don't keep repeating the same non-bug? The BTS obviously isn't working for us here either, nor is posting to debian-x. I think I'll have to put something in X.Org's NEWS.Debian about it at the very least, but if anyone has any ideas for this, I'm all ears. I refuse to resort to a debconf warning for this, but I'm running out of ideas. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Steve Langasek: Why do people think that xorg broke library dependencies for our entertainment, and that patching over the dependencies is an ok solution? Because there was no recent announcement on debian-devel-announce which provided some guidance for this transition? The packaging itself appears to be really nice, but this kind of information seems to be a bit too hard to find at the moment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
* David Nusinow: I'm mainly depressed that people aren't reading Planet Debian, or are just ignoring it. Is there a better place to post this sort of thing so that users don't keep repeating the same non-bug? The BTS obviously isn't working for us here either, nor is posting to debian-x. I think it's perfectly acceptable to describe the transition in a short posting to debian-devel-announce. Anyway, where on Planet Debian can I find this information? Is it in one of the referenced blogs? I think I'll have to put something in X.Org's NEWS.Debian about it at the very least, but if anyone has any ideas for this, I'm all ears. You could add a news item to NEWS.Debian which is removed before release, I think (provided that apt-listchangelogs can handle this situation). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:07:55PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Steve Langasek: Why do people think that xorg broke library dependencies for our entertainment, and that patching over the dependencies is an ok solution? Because there was no recent announcement on debian-devel-announce which provided some guidance for this transition? The packaging itself appears to be really nice, but this kind of information seems to be a bit too hard to find at the moment. Not a single developer has mailed either myself personally or debian-x to ask how to go about this. Given that the C++ transition was already laid out in full in debian-devel-announce, I assume that developers know what's going on. It's the users who are clueless this time. That said, if any developer does have any questions about the X.Org C++ transition I'd be happy to answer them. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello foks, Am Fr den 15. Jul 2005 um 19:32 schrieb David Nusinow: I will try to make a dummy-package which provides xlibmesa-glu and depends on libglu1-xorg. ;-) Please don't do this. We're trying to transition the libglu1-xorg packages and the above packages should be fixed by their respective maintainers in time. Well, dosn't work either. It was just a idea that all the packages don't get deinstalled and maybe can be used. Also pdl which is needed for gimp-perl has wrong dependencies. Am Fr den 15. Jul 2005 um 19:59 schrieb Steve Langasek: Why do people think that xorg broke library dependencies for our entertainment, and that patching over the dependencies is an ok solution? The package name changed because it is *not* *compatible*. No one said the I did not think that. Just thinking that short time broken installed packages in sig are better than not broken but not installable packages which gets deinstalled. And yes, this information about some packages which could be brokesn could be good filled in the NEWS.debian. Am Fr den 15. Jul 2005 um 20:04 schrieb David Nusinow: I'm mainly depressed that people aren't reading Planet Debian, or are just Aham, sorry for my ignorance, but what is Planet Debian? users don't keep repeating the same non-bug? The BTS obviously isn't working for us here either, nor is posting to debian-x. Well, true that kind is nothing to fill in the bts (Maybe for the broken packages but not for X). Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgenhttp://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQtf+r5+OKpjRpO3lAQIxXwgAiw/4WOK79bOEaQtqtaamG9g++lo7V8ft 1dW37GV2C1kYkeB15rLZqFBhVKfSS+lpj4AdX0gS9eCWVmSSUs3/HokqLTm/weRI uDpVlcXk+D+3zMmXyG+rMbDHrVByFdsQuuljgPIZkXFhB8uRZv54+dgJzMqzKHpt LgBlfgAp9dM1ZiaqHuCv4gu/OGK22rR+wSnFe1iJd/uYr4VpKGWeCB9Jv/uxirWm Pewe2AkYcSdMhVpySSeqkpkE8rLRGFMI+qUiqL4J9NOPm67Nr3IFa+YT3ISKSsCI J9NiiSITkaXUVkCxYD4AubXwpGVTG/1ufFr0tM6iNqekgNgKKwXmew== =FwGQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:21:36PM +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Am Fr den 15. Jul 2005 um 20:04 schrieb David Nusinow: I'm mainly depressed that people aren't reading Planet Debian, or are just Aham, sorry for my ignorance, but what is Planet Debian? http://planet.debian.org. Specifically, I had a blog entry (http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html) that referred to this very problem. This isn't an official means of communication, but a great number of users read the site and my hope has been that it would be a good way to communicate directly with them. I still have a lot of faith in this approach, but it's obviously no panacea. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 02:04:14PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:59:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 07:21:28PM +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote: I will try to make a dummy-package which provides xlibmesa-glu and depends on libglu1-xorg. ;-) Why do people think that xorg broke library dependencies for our entertainment, and that patching over the dependencies is an ok solution? The package name changed because it is *not* *compatible*. No one said the C++ transition was supposed to be fun, did they? I'm mainly depressed that people aren't reading Planet Debian, or are just ignoring it. Is there a better place to post this sort of thing so that users don't keep repeating the same non-bug? The BTS obviously isn't working for us here either, nor is posting to debian-x. I think I'll have to put something in X.Org's NEWS.Debian about it at the very least, but if anyone has any ideas for this, I'm all ears. I refuse to resort to a debconf warning for this, but I'm running out of ideas. I agree that d-d-a is probably reasonable for this. I'm sure it won't give you 100% coverage, given that there are users posting to random lists like debian-testing about the matter (...), but I imagine it will help more people get a grasp of unstable. :) -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:59:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] Why do people think that xorg broke library dependencies for our entertainment, and that patching over the dependencies is an ok solution? The package name changed because it is *not* *compatible*. No one said the C++ transition was supposed to be fun, did they? I'm mainly depressed that people aren't reading Planet Debian, or are just ignoring it. Is there a better place to post this sort of thing so that users don't keep repeating the same non-bug? The BTS obviously isn't working for us here either, nor is posting to debian-x. I think I'll have to put something in X.Org's NEWS.Debian about it at the very least, but if anyone has any ideas for this, I'm all ears. I refuse to resort to a debconf warning for this, but I'm running out of ideas. Hello, I think you'll just need to accept that out of n users at least n/50 will not read wherever you put it and a (small) percentage of these will pester you about it. There is nothing to do about this except for writing a canned response _once_ and resending it when necessary. cu and- thanks, BTW -reas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
congratulations to the X team!!
I just updated to X.org. With apt. Automatically. Woohoo!! I mean full on xserver-xorg too. I did not touch ANYTHING. X team you rock. This is why I started using Debian 7 years ago. This is what keeps me here. One and only one snag. purging the xfree86-common package failed because it was trying to run update-rc.d remove while the config still existed. Beers to those I meet in person. (Or something else more to your liking, and at a similar cost (-: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
Hello, my congratulation to the team too. However I was not as fortunate as the Sean. What about the xlibmesa-glu packages? Can we expect them to enter the archive again? Else I have to remove some of my shiny GL applications (crystalspace, freewrl, libdevil,...) Greetings Ben -- Please do not sent any email to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] - all email not originating from the mailing list will be deleted automatically. Use the reply to address instead. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 10:17:24AM +0200, Benjamin Mesing wrote: What about the xlibmesa-glu packages? Can we expect them to enter the archive again? Else I have to remove some of my shiny GL applications (crystalspace, freewrl, libdevil,...) Build-dep on libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev, and it should work. /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 10:17:24AM +0200, Benjamin Mesing wrote: my congratulation to the team too. However I was not as fortunate as the Sean. Me too, at least on this machine I had to explicitly install xserver-xorg to complete the move. BTW, I see the rendering of some ttf fonts looks not so good. For instance I used happily this resource: XTerm*Font: -monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--15-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-15 and the visual quality of that font is now less good. -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
* Francesco P. Lovergine: Me too, at least on this machine I had to explicitly install xserver-xorg to complete the move. BTW, I see the rendering of some ttf fonts looks not so good. For instance I used happily this resource: XTerm*Font: -monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--15-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-15 and the visual quality of that font is now less good. Same for -bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-bold-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*. The hinting defaults for TrueType fonts probably changed. Apart from that, the transition went fine. (For a couple of days, I've been struggling with ion3 and it's effect on mouse focus, but this is unrelated.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Sean Perry wrote: I just updated to X.org. With apt. Automatically. Woohoo!! I mean full on xserver-xorg too. I did not touch ANYTHING. My only gripe is that the upload did not have pciids for radeon X700 etc. http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/06/msg00179.html Now I'm pondering between sending a patch and trusting people to check their TODO lists :=) --j -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
I see that yesterday a modularized xserver (xorg) entered ubuntu breezy (the current development branch) archives. I've some questions: Is XSF coordinating its work with them or what ? Is modularized xorg a goal for us ? I think that it's easy to do since some if not all xorg ubuntu maintainers are DDs too. Closing, congratulations for both teams anyway. Thanks, Gustavo Franco -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 11:02:09AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: I see that yesterday a modularized xserver (xorg) entered ubuntu breezy (the current development branch) archives. I've some questions: Is XSF coordinating its work with them or what ? Is modularized xorg a goal for us ? I think that it's easy to do since some if not all xorg ubuntu maintainers are DDs too. Closing, congratulations for both teams anyway. The server hasn't been modularised yet, it's just that I split up all the packaging. I've been working closely with Josh Triplett on the libraries, and keeping David fully in the loop with everything I'm doing in Breezy, and I'm pretty sure that we're going to arrive at a common base for packaging when Debian gets over to the modular tree. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On 7/14/05, Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The server hasn't been modularised yet, it's just that I split up all the packaging. I've been working closely with Josh Triplett on the libraries, and keeping David fully in the loop with everything I'm doing in Breezy, and I'm pretty sure that we're going to arrive at a common base for packaging when Debian gets over to the modular tree. Hi Daniel, Thank you for clarifying the topic. About the split up, is there a consensus in what to install exactly ? See, the user will install all the packages related to video drivers and dexconf will do its job and it's up to the user remove what is not needed ? I'm asking about Debian, because i guess that in Ubuntu you'll autodetect as much as possible in the install and just keep there what's necessary maybe using a different approach if the user change his video card, plug a new input device or whatever. Closing, what are the side effects (if any) that this split up and modularization will put on the loop for stuff like lessdisks and ltsp ? -- Gustavo Franco -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 11:02:09AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: I see that yesterday a modularized xserver (xorg) entered ubuntu breezy (the current development branch) archives. It's exciting stuff, but my primary goal is to get the current X.Org release in to etch. I've some questions: Is XSF coordinating its work with them or what ? Is modularized xorg a goal for us ? I think that it's easy to do since some if not all xorg ubuntu maintainers are DDs too. Yes, Daniel and I have been working closely together, and while I haven't looked at the modular stuff yet, it's very much something I want to see done in Debian if possible. I may produce one more set of monolithic packages (6.9 series) to tide us over during the modular transition, but if I do it's likely that these will be unofficial unless for some unexpected reason we're not able to complete the transition to the modular tree for etch. Closing, congratulations for both teams anyway. Thank you very much. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 12:08:00PM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 10:17:24AM +0200, Benjamin Mesing wrote: my congratulation to the team too. However I was not as fortunate as the Sean. Me too, at least on this machine I had to explicitly install xserver-xorg to complete the move. BTW, I see the rendering of some ttf fonts looks not so good. For instance I used happily this resource: XTerm*Font: -monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--15-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-15 and the visual quality of that font is now less good. Yes, several people have reported this issue, and I plan to look in to it as soon as the packages are updated to build properly on all arches where they've failed. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 02:41:18PM +0300, Jaakko Niemi wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Sean Perry wrote: I just updated to X.org. With apt. Automatically. Woohoo!! I mean full on xserver-xorg too. I did not touch ANYTHING. My only gripe is that the upload did not have pciids for radeon X700 etc. http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/06/msg00179.html Now I'm pondering between sending a patch and trusting people to check their TODO lists :=) Patches are most assuredly welcome :-) - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 12:42:54AM -0700, Sean Perry wrote: I just updated to X.org. With apt. Automatically. Woohoo!! I mean full on xserver-xorg too. I did not touch ANYTHING. X team you rock. This is why I started using Debian 7 years ago. This is what keeps me here. One and only one snag. purging the xfree86-common package failed because it was trying to run update-rc.d remove while the config still existed. Beers to those I meet in person. (Or something else more to your liking, and at a similar cost (-: Thank you very much :-) Hopefully we can get them moving in to etch and then push ahead towards getting the upcoming X.Org release in to the archive as close to its release date as possible. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Francesco P. Lovergine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 10:17:24AM +0200, Benjamin Mesing wrote: my congratulation to the team too. However I was not as fortunate as the Sean. Me too, at least on this machine I had to explicitly install xserver-xorg to complete the move. BTW, I see the rendering of some ttf fonts looks not so good. For instance I used happily this resource: XTerm*Font: -monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--15-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-15 and the visual quality of that font is now less good. I also get screen corruption with the Radeon driver: http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/Screenshot.png Galeon is also similarly afflicted. It's either a GTK+ bug, or a Radeon bug (ati driver). Regards, Roger -- Roger Leigh Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/ Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://www.debian.org/ GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848. Please sign and encrypt your mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 00:42 -0700, Sean Perry wrote: I just updated to X.org. With apt. Automatically. Woohoo!! I mean full on xserver-xorg too. I did not touch ANYTHING. X team you rock. This is why I started using Debian 7 years ago. This is what keeps me here. One and only one snag. purging the xfree86-common package failed because it was trying to run update-rc.d remove while the config still existed. Beers to those I meet in person. (Or something else more to your liking, and at a similar cost (-: Yes! I am in the same boat and as ecstatic about said X.org X server. But, I don't see the rendering problems others see. Of course I have an Oxygen card. Old, costly, but still damn fast 5 years later. Faster in some operations than the new ATI and nVidia cards. But generally overall slower than them, but not much. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] For technology that is Strong, Better, Faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 11:43:50AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 7/14/05, Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The server hasn't been modularised yet, it's just that I split up all the packaging. I've been working closely with Josh Triplett on the libraries, and keeping David fully in the loop with everything I'm doing in Breezy, and I'm pretty sure that we're going to arrive at a common base for packaging when Debian gets over to the modular tree. Hi Daniel, Thank you for clarifying the topic. No worries. About the split up, is there a consensus in what to install exactly ? See, the user will install all the packages related to video drivers and dexconf will do its job and it's up to the user remove what is not needed ? I'm asking about Debian, because i guess that in Ubuntu you'll autodetect as much as possible in the install and just keep there what's necessary maybe using a different approach if the user change his video card, plug a new input device or whatever. Closing, what are the side effects (if any) that this split up and modularization will put on the loop for stuff like lessdisks and ltsp ? For the time being -- both in Debian and in Ubuntu -- everything will continue to be installed. It's more about not having to update everything at the same time, really. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: congratulations to the X team!!
FWIW, I previously had xorg from Ubuntu installed, and upgrading from that to Debian's xorg _didn't_ go smoothly: the file /etc/X11/Xsession was created by two packages, x11-common [debian], and xorg-common [ubuntu], and in upgrading tried to install x11-common before removing xorg-common. I ended up downgrading to xfree86 from testing, and then upgraded back up to xorg from unstable (and all that went smoothly). [I know none of that is supported, but just FYI... :-] -Miles -- ((lambda (x) (list x x)) (lambda (x) (list x x))) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
