Re: how about matrix channel
Hi, I had test nheko and element[1], unfortunately, they can't use in China mainland. I think it's homeserver is also blocked by China GFW. I can use IRC now, also can use Firefox to visit https://element.debian.social/. [1] element error infos: Failed to start Your Element is misconfigured Invalid homeserver discovery response Thanks! 在 2022/7/20 13:06, Nilesh Patra 写道: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:51:45AM +0800, xiao sheng wen(肖盛文) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is there a GUI Desktop client to use https://element.debian.social ? > Yes, nheko in the archive[1] > > There is element desktop as well, which is not packaged yet, and > whose unofficial (upstream packaging) `.deb's are here[2] in case you want > these (not very recommended though) > > [1]: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nheko > [2]: https://element.io/get-started#linux-details > -- 肖盛文 xiao sheng wen https://www.atzlinux.com 《铜豌豆 Linux》基于 Debian 的 Linux 中文 桌面 操作系统 Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=atzlinux%40sina.com Debian salsa: https://salsa.debian.org/atzlinux-guest GnuPG Public Key: 0x00186602339240CB OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: how about matrix channel
The Signal client for desktop is a really bad example of free software. It does techically have a free license (or better say a jungle of components with various free licenses), but it is almost impossible to build it yourself. There is a reason why Debian does not have its own builds. Even the Flatpak people gave up on it. They are downloading the binary deb package from Signal and unpacking it. I am not kidding you. Regards Stephan
Re: how about matrix channel
Am Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 09:04:59PM +0100 schrieb Wookey: > > Matrix please. It's free software all the way through. We can run our > own server. Not-mobile-phones are 1st class clients. This not-mobile-phone issue is very important for me. > Signal is presumably OK if you run your own back-end, Not really for people like me who do not own a smartphone which is required for authentication. (I'm aware that I could cheat around with the phone of my wife - but well, I want simple access without cheating.) Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: how about matrix channel
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:51:45AM +0800, xiao sheng wen(肖盛文) wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a GUI Desktop client to use https://element.debian.social ? Yes, nheko in the archive[1] There is element desktop as well, which is not packaged yet, and whose unofficial (upstream packaging) `.deb's are here[2] in case you want these (not very recommended though) [1]: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nheko [2]: https://element.io/get-started#linux-details -- Regards, Nilesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: how about matrix channel
Hi, Is there a GUI Desktop client to use https://element.debian.social ? I can use Firefox for it now. Thanks! 在 2022/7/20 05:03, Kyle Robbertze 写道: There is the Debian Social [1] Matrix instance at https://element.debian.social. You can sign in with Salsa. Many of the Debian IRC channels are bridged and collected in the #debian:matrix.debian.social space. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianSocial Cheers Kyle -- 肖盛文 xiao sheng wen https://www.atzlinux.com 《铜豌豆 Linux》基于 Debian 的 Linux 中文 桌面 操作系统 Debian QA page:https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=atzlinux%40sina.com Debian salsa:https://salsa.debian.org/atzlinux-guest GnuPG Public Key: 0x00186602339240CB OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: how about matrix channel, it is available
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:03:00PM +0200, Kyle Robbertze wrote: > On 2022/07/19 22:12, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > > On 19/07/2022 21:04, Wookey wrote: > > > On 2022-07-19 21:01 +0200, Bartosz Fenski wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of > > > > communication? > > > > > > > Matrix please. It's free software all the way through. We can run our > > > own server. Not-mobile-phones are 1st class clients. > > > > > > I'm increasingly using it to replace IRC (with bridges if > > > appropriate). I'd be happy to see debian move channels from IRC to > > > Matrix. I'm not happy about moving them to Telegram or Signal, which > > > are obviously a great improvement on Whatsapp but still only > > > somewhat-free. Telegram has non-free back-end. Signal is presumably OK > > > if you run your own back-end, but you try to use the centralised one > > > then you can't build your own client (or at least it's made extremely > > > difficult). Signal requires an active mobile phone number to use (not > > > sure if telegram is the same). > > > > > > I'm fine with IRC too. It's not broken, but unless you have your own > > > permanent IRC client instance somewhere it's not great. Having the > > > store and-forward done by someone else (unless you want to still do it > > > yourself) is nice. > > > > > > Wookey > > > > I agree. > > > > Importantly, Matrix is (1) federated, (2) can be bridged with other > > networks, eg IRC. > > > > (as well as being open and free). Its hard to see Signal inter-operating > > to others. As tech evolves, we need to stick to principles of being open > > in the sense of federation, not being centralized. > > There is the Debian Social [1] Matrix instance at > https://element.debian.social. You can sign in with Salsa. Many of the > Debian IRC channels are bridged and collected in the > #debian:matrix.debian.social space. > Nice Groeten Geert Stappers [1] https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianSocial -- Silence is hard to parse signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: how about matrix channel
On 2022/07/19 22:12, Alastair McKinstry wrote: On 19/07/2022 21:04, Wookey wrote: On 2022-07-19 21:01 +0200, Bartosz Fenski wrote: Hey folks. Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of communication? I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical nowadays. Matrix please. It's free software all the way through. We can run our own server. Not-mobile-phones are 1st class clients. I'm increasingly using it to replace IRC (with bridges if appropriate). I'd be happy to see debian move channels from IRC to Matrix. I'm not happy about moving them to Telegram or Signal, which are obviously a great improvement on Whatsapp but still only somewhat-free. Telegram has non-free back-end. Signal is presumably OK if you run your own back-end, but you try to use the centralised one then you can't build your own client (or at least it's made extremely difficult). Signal requires an active mobile phone number to use (not sure if telegram is the same). I'm fine with IRC too. It's not broken, but unless you have your own permanent IRC client instance somewhere it's not great. Having the store and-forward done by someone else (unless you want to still do it yourself) is nice. Wookey I agree. Importantly, Matrix is (1) federated, (2) can be bridged with other networks, eg IRC. (as well as being open and free). Its hard to see Signal inter-operating to others. As tech evolves, we need to stick to principles of being open in the sense of federation, not being centralized. There is the Debian Social [1] Matrix instance at https://element.debian.social. You can sign in with Salsa. Many of the Debian IRC channels are bridged and collected in the #debian:matrix.debian.social space. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianSocial Cheers Kyle -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Kyle Robbertze ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Debian Developer ⠈⠳⣄ https://wiki.debian.org/KyleRobbertze
Re: how about matrix channel
On 19/07/2022 21:04, Wookey wrote: On 2022-07-19 21:01 +0200, Bartosz Fenski wrote: Hey folks. Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of communication? I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical nowadays. Matrix please. It's free software all the way through. We can run our own server. Not-mobile-phones are 1st class clients. I'm increasingly using it to replace IRC (with bridges if appropriate). I'd be happy to see debian move channels from IRC to Matrix. I'm not happy about moving them to Telegram or Signal, which are obviously a great improvement on Whatsapp but still only somewhat-free. Telegram has non-free back-end. Signal is presumably OK if you run your own back-end, but you try to use the centralised one then you can't build your own client (or at least it's made extremely difficult). Signal requires an active mobile phone number to use (not sure if telegram is the same). I'm fine with IRC too. It's not broken, but unless you have your own permanent IRC client instance somewhere it's not great. Having the store and-forward done by someone else (unless you want to still do it yourself) is nice. Wookey I agree. Importantly, Matrix is (1) federated, (2) can be bridged with other networks, eg IRC. (as well as being open and free). Its hard to see Signal inter-operating to others. As tech evolves, we need to stick to principles of being open in the sense of federation, not being centralized. -- Alastair McKinstry, GPG: 82383CE9165B347C787081A2CBE6BB4E5D9AD3A5 ph: +353 87 6847928 e: alast...@sceal.ie, im: @sceal.ie:mckinstry
Re: how about matrix channel
On 2022-07-19 21:01 +0200, Bartosz Fenski wrote: > Hey folks. > > Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of > communication? > > I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I think > modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical > nowadays. Matrix please. It's free software all the way through. We can run our own server. Not-mobile-phones are 1st class clients. I'm increasingly using it to replace IRC (with bridges if appropriate). I'd be happy to see debian move channels from IRC to Matrix. I'm not happy about moving them to Telegram or Signal, which are obviously a great improvement on Whatsapp but still only somewhat-free. Telegram has non-free back-end. Signal is presumably OK if you run your own back-end, but you try to use the centralised one then you can't build your own client (or at least it's made extremely difficult). Signal requires an active mobile phone number to use (not sure if telegram is the same). I'm fine with IRC too. It's not broken, but unless you have your own permanent IRC client instance somewhere it's not great. Having the store and-forward done by someone else (unless you want to still do it yourself) is nice. Wookey -- Principal hats: Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
