Re: installation report of hamm 26.4.
On Wed 29 Apr 1998, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: linux did not booted, and when repairing from the boot cdrom, i got : no room in lost+found directory. expand y ? y segmentation fault. Damn, that's still in there? I ran into this problem about 18 months ago, while trying to repair a disk that had a crashed head. This was before I started using debian, BTW. I ended up using e2fsdb (or whatever it's called) to add a couple of blocks to lost+found. I'd have thought that that bug would have been fixed by now. Please report this to the BTS, so that it can get fixed (by the upstream maintainer, I'd assume). I still have the crashed disk, so I could test this if necessary (I copied the readable data to another disk before fsck'ing; amazing how much data you can recover when one of the 15 heads is dead). Paul Slootman -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wurtel.demon.nl | Murphy Software, Enschede, the Netherlands Support Randal Schwartz! See http://www.lightlink.com/fors/ or send empty email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installation report of hamm 26.4.
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 09:22:20PM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: g) cvs is in default ! no ! most people don't use it, and it contains a server, that has to be configured. this is work, and for people who don't know cvs its very confuseing. The casual user has no need for cvs, but cvs certainly does not require its pserver. It works best without the pserver, over ssh. I hope you filed these as bugs to the spesific packages? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it's a valid address w/o spam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
installation report of hamm 26.4.
ok, i tried to install from cdrom.
cd1 containes : main
cd2 containes : contrib, non-US, non-free (and other stuff)
a) my cd contained only frozen. but dselect want's stable ...
b) some problem with perl : dselect-install did not work.
i helped myself with dpkg -iGROEB /cdrom
c) gpm has a strange -l setting. reading the manpage, i guess
its for german charsets. if this is the case, i wonder
why such things are not handled with LC_ codes...
d) i had problems with the keyboard - i'm sure i selected german
(de-latin1-nodeadkeys) but it didn't work right.
later i executed kbdconfig again, and this helped.
e) apache - is this interactive configuration realy necessary ?
what about providing a save default, and allow a sysadmin to
change this later with apacheconfig ? maybe some only wants to
access his /doc tree, dhtml etc.
f) xserver offered my to configure now. this failed, because not everything
was installed, so it could not work.
g) cvs is in default ! no ! most people don't use it, and it contains a
server, that has to be configured. this is work, and for people who
don't know cvs its very confuseing.
h) xbase: some files were already there, but empty (Xserver). maybe this has
todo with f). many people had problems with bo, when /etc/init.d/xdm
did exist, but was empty, and they did not press I to replace it.
now the same thing again ?
i) pcmcia ? this machine doesn't need it, so no reason to install it.
j) mail server in the default set ? i think this is obsolete.
most people begin with x11 and netscape, and everything else comes
later.
h) xserver installation. the user needs your help !
i didn't know, what xserver i need, so i installed only vga16,
so XF86Setup will tell me more. result : fatal.
the first time it failed because mach64 server was not installed.
this will confuse users !
i suggest to do an appropiate echo xserver-server|dpkg
--set-selection call, save the default config, and ask the user
to run dpkg again and continue later.
ok, so i had to care about this myself, and started xf86setup later again,
doing the whole configuration again... this time i got :
missing close-brace
(if then script line 1)
while compiling
if {![getline]} { ...
(file / ... /phase5.tcl line 26)
invoked within source /.../phase5.tcl
XF86Config was written, but Xserver was not modified.
xdm-start-server was not listed in /etc/X11/config.
calling xbase-configure did not help. this script should assist the user in
such stuff, because the debian way to do these things is only known to some
hackers.
ok, at least xbase-configure changed the xdm/Xserver file, after i added
the xdm-start-server line.
btw: this seems to be redundant information to me.
i) i made a mistike with the non-free directory on my cd.
what is the right way to create packages files ?
several packages were without description. ihoped running dpkg-scanpackages
would be enough. but it isn't. i also installed it in the wrong directory
(non-free, not non-free/Packages).
so i found out : dselect isn't very helpy, if you don't know the exact path.
and how can i get dselect to handle non-US ? ok, i used the local/ path for
that, because i had no local directory.
is something planed, how can dselect work with data on several files ?
in the end i copied both cdroms to the hard disk, because i found no
other solution. dselect could also be a bit smarter at guessing paths.
j) ssh waits for a return, without a visible reason.
k) afterstep waits with an unnecessary message - that message is only usefull,
if you update from 1.4 to 1.4 or higher, but not for new
installations.
l) network configuration : i selected no network.
i suggest to create a dummy network device. that's a much smarter
setup, than aliasing the hostname to 127.0.0.1, which can create
problems IIRC.
j) afterstep crashed creating it's configuartion files. seems like it has
problems with 24bpp, the 8bpp and 16bpp files were created before
crashing
l) lilo configuration still does not detect msdos hrddisks, and create
a default configuration, so you can boot lilo and dos.
i'm sure one o the other distributions wrote a program to do this,
so if it's gpl'ed, debian only needs to take their code.
m) i installed the fvwm2 windowmanager. this wm can make realy noce looking
windows, but the default setup is more than ugly.
a linux newbie will runaway ...
n) the dpkg manpage : look at the -G parameter. isn't something missing ?
later i had some trouble with win*95 destroying the linux / partition.
only one directory inode was deleted, but this dir was /var/lib/dpkg/info ...
linux did not booted, and when repairing from the boot cdrom, i got :
no room in lost+found directory.
expand y ? y
Re: installation report of hamm 26.4.
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 09:22:20PM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
f) xserver offered my to configure now. this failed, because not everything
was installed, so it could not work.
Can you be more specific?
There is nothing in the xserver postinst that demands the presence of
xbase. I assume makedev and libc6 were installed and configured. Were
they? They're both essential, so I assume they must have been.
h) xbase: some files were already there, but empty (Xserver). maybe this has
todo with f). many people had problems with bo, when /etc/init.d/xdm
did exist, but was empty, and they did not press I to replace it.
now the same thing again ?
What version of xbase was this? Sounds like it must be 3.3.2-3 or earlier.
If /et/X11/Xserver was empty, how did your machine know to look for the
Mach64 server when starting X (below)?
h) xserver installation. the user needs your help !
i didn't know, what xserver i need, so i installed only vga16,
so XF86Setup will tell me more. result : fatal.
the first time it failed because mach64 server was not installed.
XF86Setup depends only on the VGA16 server. XFree86 3.3.2-4 always backs
up the /etc/X11/XF86ConfConfig file.
this will confuse users !
i suggest to do an appropiate echo xserver-server|dpkg
--set-selection call, save the default config, and ask the user
to run dpkg again and continue later.
This is a very poor solution. I think 3.3.2-4 solves this.
ok, so i had to care about this myself, and started xf86setup later again,
doing the whole configuration again... this time i got :
missing close-brace
(if then script line 1)
while compiling
if {![getline]} { ...
(file / ... /phase5.tcl line 26)
invoked within source /.../phase5.tcl
This is harmless (as you can see, the XF86Config file is created anyway),
but fixed in 3.3.2-4.
XF86Config was written, but Xserver was not modified.
Xserver is not modified by XF86Setup, it is modified by the xserver package
postinst.
xdm-start-server was not listed in /etc/X11/config.
calling xbase-configure did not help. this script should assist the user in
such stuff, because the debian way to do these things is only known to some
hackers.
In XFree86 3.3.2-4, you may invoke /usr/sbin/xbase-configure with the
force argument.
XFree86 3.3.2-4 ships with xdm configured to start a local server, if the
user configures XDM to run at all.
ok, at least xbase-configure changed the xdm/Xserver file, after i added
the xdm-start-server line.
btw: this seems to be redundant information to me.
All this is changed in XFree86 3.3.2-4. The xdm-start-server option has
been placed in limbo, and nothing edits /etc/X11/xdm/Xserver anymore; it
must be edited by hand. Detailed instructions are now inside that file to
facilitate the process.
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Re: installation report of hamm 26.4.
f) xserver offered my to configure now. this failed, because not
everything
was installed, so it could not work.
Can you be more specific?
There is nothing in the xserver postinst that demands the presence of
xbase. I assume makedev and libc6 were installed and configured. Were
they? They're both essential, so I assume they must have been.
if [ -x /usr/sbin/xbase-configure ] ; then
/usr/sbin/xbase-configure
fi
if xbase is unpacked, but not configured, then this will call xbase-configure,
and then you can say ok, let's create a config file. but without x11 fonts,
this will not work. (if x11 fonts are unpacked, but not configured,
this won't work too - fonts.* files are not yet created ...).
remove that code, or depend on xbase. i suggest to remove the code.
h) xbase: some files were already there, but empty (Xserver). maybe this has
todo with f). many people had problems with bo, when /etc/init.d/xdm
did exist, but was empty, and they did not press I to replace it.
now the same thing again ?
What version of xbase was this? Sounds like it must be 3.3.2-3 or earlier.
yes, that's ther version in hamm, that was on my mirror on sunday.
If /et/X11/Xserver was empty, how did your machine know to look for the
Mach64 server when starting X (below)?
i had to edit it...
h) xserver installation. the user needs your help !
i didn't know, what xserver i need, so i installed only vga16,
so XF86Setup will tell me more. result : fatal.
the first time it failed because mach64 server was not installed.
XF86Setup depends only on the VGA16 server. XFree86 3.3.2-4 always backs
up the /etc/X11/XF86ConfConfig file.
this will confuse users !
i suggest to do an appropiate echo xserver-server|dpkg
--set-selection call, save the default config, and ask the user
to run dpkg again and continue later.
This is a very poor solution. I think 3.3.2-4 solves this.
ok, will look at it, and then come back.
ok, so i had to care about this myself, and started xf86setup later again,
doing the whole configuration again... this time i got :
missing close-brace
(if then script line 1)
while compiling
if {![getline]} { ...
(file / ... /phase5.tcl line 26)
invoked within source /.../phase5.tcl
This is harmless (as you can see, the XF86Config file is created anyway),
but fixed in 3.3.2-4.
XF86Config was written, but Xserver was not modified.
Xserver is not modified by XF86Setup, it is modified by the xserver package
postinst.
but is this wise ? i mean - the normal user doesn't know which server he
needs, before is is running xf86setup to find out. and since the script
does a test with the new server, every user will now say ok, it looks good.
lets make it the default config. at least i guess.
xdm-start-server was not listed in /etc/X11/config.
calling xbase-configure did not help. this script should assist the user in
such stuff, because the debian way to do these things is only known to some
hackers.
In XFree86 3.3.2-4, you may invoke /usr/sbin/xbase-configure with the
force argument.
XFree86 3.3.2-4 ships with xdm configured to start a local server, if the
user configures XDM to run at all.
yes, that's much better. thanks.
ok, at least xbase-configure changed the xdm/Xserver file, after i added
the xdm-start-server line.
btw: this seems to be redundant information to me.
All this is changed in XFree86 3.3.2-4. The xdm-start-server option has
been placed in limbo, and nothing edits /etc/X11/xdm/Xserver anymore; it
must be edited by hand. Detailed instructions are now inside that file to
facilitate the process.
thank you very much ! looks like you did a great ! job.
i will burn the next cd's in a few days, and will install again.
andreas
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