Re: why hijacking is bad (and salvaging is good) Re: Orphaning php-codesniffer, then take it over by the PHP PEAR team
On Saturday 02 June 2012 05:36:04 Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/02/2012 04:43 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: now that I notice the subject change I also notice the original subject... hi Thomas 8-) LOL ! I'm amazed that it's seems I'm capable of creating huge uncontrollable threads out of nowhere (eg: this isn't the first time). No one is perfect, but in this paticular case, I think your good will, patience, complete lack of hostality and desire to communicate the whole issue, has become a victim of what I'd more or less qualify as an unlawful or inappropriate interference. So, thank you for your commitment, and for being that patient and endurant! I swear its never intended ! :) OMG, I hope we don't need any oath-taking ceremonies any time we try to improve something within Debian. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB people.fccf.net/danchev/key pgp.mit.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206021046.50162.danc...@spnet.net
why hijacking is bad (and salvaging is good) Re: Orphaning php-codesniffer, then take it over by the PHP PEAR team
Hi, On Freitag, 1. Juni 2012, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] This is very different from what some people mean when they use the word hijack. In part, I think we have a terminological problem here; I don't know if it's a matter of non-native speakers using the word differently, but the word hijack clearly refers to a /hostile act/. By definition, anything that could legitimately be called a hijack should not be permitted; and anything that we believe should be permitted should not be referred to as hijacking. Otherwise, people will infer that all kinds of inappropriate and hostile behavior is ok when it shouldn't be. And when people *do* engage in that kind of hostile behavior, yes, I think it should be referred to the TC and we should disapprove of it. But when people are taking reasonable steps to confirm that a package is abandoned before taking it over - let's call this salvage - I have no problem with that; it should be encouraged and supported. thanks for explaining, makes completly sense to me now! :-) (And I do think it's partly a language issue. For non-native speakers hijack is probably a bit more romantic and less obviously evil 8-) cheers, Holger (And for those poor people (should they exist...) just reading my mail and not Steve's and thus having no idea what is ment with salvaging a package: go read Steve's mail.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120601.16740.hol...@layer-acht.org
Re: why hijacking is bad (and salvaging is good) Re: Orphaning php-codesniffer, then take it over by the PHP PEAR team
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi, On Freitag, 1. Juni 2012, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] This is very different from what some people mean when they use the word hijack. In part, I think we have a terminological problem here; I don't know if it's a matter of non-native speakers using the word differently, but the word hijack clearly refers to a /hostile act/. By definition, anything that could legitimately be called a hijack should not be permitted; and anything that we believe should be permitted should not be referred to as hijacking. Otherwise, people will infer that all kinds of inappropriate and hostile behavior is ok when it shouldn't be. And when people *do* engage in that kind of hostile behavior, yes, I think it should be referred to the TC and we should disapprove of it. But when people are taking reasonable steps to confirm that a package is abandoned before taking it over - let's call this salvage - I have no problem with that; it should be encouraged and supported. I kinda like Package reappropriation myself :) thanks for explaining, makes completly sense to me now! :-) (And I do think it's partly a language issue. For non-native speakers hijack is probably a bit more romantic and less obviously evil 8-) cheers, Holger (And for those poor people (should they exist...) just reading my mail and not Steve's and thus having no idea what is ment with salvaging a package: go read Steve's mail.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120601.16740.hol...@layer-acht.org -- All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors. #define sizeof(x) rand() :wq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAO6P2QS07EHUODXJ=RdudQDzqBz88=DvhA1ad=7xzwdmcbf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: why hijacking is bad (and salvaging is good) Re: Orphaning php-codesniffer, then take it over by the PHP PEAR team
now that I notice the subject change I also notice the original subject... hi Thomas 8-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206012243.38011.hol...@layer-acht.org
Re: why hijacking is bad (and salvaging is good) Re: Orphaning php-codesniffer, then take it over by the PHP PEAR team
On 06/02/2012 04:43 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: now that I notice the subject change I also notice the original subject... hi Thomas 8-) LOL ! I'm amazed that it's seems I'm capable of creating huge uncontrollable threads out of nowhere (eg: this isn't the first time). I swear its never intended ! :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fc98a24.3020...@debian.org
