Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 07:51:31PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: So what about that? 2.8 is around since almost 1 year, and this delay is not justifiable IMHO. There are now tons of developers and maintainers that need to build against 2.8, and I doubt a transition plan from 2.6 has sense due to API and behaviors changes. We have simply to cope with two different versions, as already happens for other libraries. I guess ron will happily package 2.8 for you if you fix all the bugs in it first. If 2.8 is worse than 2.6 (which crashes here way too often), then it doesn't make sense to package it at all. Better hope that 3.0 will be better... Well, I would hope that we don't need to do grunt homework for the wxwidgets upstream. If developers are so stupid to adopt an unstable and unusable product for their programs, it is their bad choice not a problem of us. I see by ubuntu reports that 2.8 has the same (bad?) quality of 2.6, so what's the point? I still have to see libraries which lack bugs and programs that do not misuse them and cause other bugs. The choice of 2.6 instead of 2.8 or the future 3.0 is definitively a per-program ones, it is not a duty of the library package. Also if one is not able to cope with patches and bugs of a specific library, why not calling for helpers or giving up? Inaction is not a solution. -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 04:03:56PM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2007, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: So what about that? 2.8 is around since almost 1 year, and this delay is not justifiable IMHO. There are now tons of developers and maintainers that need to build against 2.8, and I doubt a transition plan from 2.6 has sense due to API and behaviors changes. We have simply to cope with two different versions, as already happens for other libraries. If you're busy-waiting on it, I guess you can propose to take over maintenance starting with wxwidgets2.8? Looks like a man power issue. Honestly I think not. Current maintainer is discouraging 2.8 packaging, plain and simple, as you can see by wxwidgets 2.6 reports. I can also partially justify him, but to be honest I would understand better if he would orphan that package instead, as many people do when they have to cope with brain-fucked upstreams and have neither time not will of doing that. Delaying and complaining is not a solution and do not help to achieve a better quality of the product. If all of us did that, we would have to drop tons of libraries and programs out there and probably the whole project. -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 10:52:47AM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: future 3.0 is definitively a per-program ones, it is not a duty of the library package. s/package/packager/ -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:00:00PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:45:25AM +0200, Pierre THIERRY wrote: Scribit Roberto C. Sánchez dies 04/10/2007 hora 18:13: wxWidgets has been released a long time ago and we're still missing it. Yes, though for a good [1] reason. Sure, wxwidgets has numerous bugs, but is it that surprising for a library package that much used? (i.e. would such a backlog of bugs prevent any other library packager to upload a new upstream into Debian?) I'm not sure. Nobody uses the only library I package :-) It is not really a question of building or packaging it. That, as you realize is quite easy. The problem is wxwidgets' dozens of reverse dependencies. Shouldn't then the package be uploaded to experimental for interactions with the reverse dependencies to be checked? I think that would be an acceptable course of action. I intend in the coming weeks to help Ron do that as I myself am doing some development of my own and would like to see wx2.8 packaged and in Debian as it would make my life easier. Regards, -Roberto So what about that? 2.8 is around since almost 1 year, and this delay is not justifiable IMHO. There are now tons of developers and maintainers that need to build against 2.8, and I doubt a transition plan from 2.6 has sense due to API and behaviors changes. We have simply to cope with two different versions, as already happens for other libraries. -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: So what about that? 2.8 is around since almost 1 year, and this delay is not justifiable IMHO. There are now tons of developers and maintainers that need to build against 2.8, and I doubt a transition plan from 2.6 has sense due to API and behaviors changes. We have simply to cope with two different versions, as already happens for other libraries. If you're busy-waiting on it, I guess you can propose to take over maintenance starting with wxwidgets2.8? Looks like a man power issue. -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
So what about that? 2.8 is around since almost 1 year, and this delay is not justifiable IMHO. There are now tons of developers and maintainers that need to build against 2.8, and I doubt a transition plan from 2.6 has sense due to API and behaviors changes. We have simply to cope with two different versions, as already happens for other libraries. I guess ron will happily package 2.8 for you if you fix all the bugs in it first. If 2.8 is worse than 2.6 (which crashes here way too often), then it doesn't make sense to package it at all. Better hope that 3.0 will be better... -- Bernd Zeimetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bzed.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
Hello developers, I'm writing you this mail to be sure everybody is aware of this issue and with the hope that someone will be interrested in fixing it ;) wxWidgets has been released a long time ago and we're still missing it. wx2.8 has been packaged for Ubuntu [1] so most of the initial packaging effort could be stolen there. Moreover, I already successfully rebuild wx2.8 from Ubuntu on Lenny without any change. Currently, I don't have time (and skill) to maintain wx2.8, that's why I'm asking for your help. Current FileZilla package in debian is quite broken (beta version) but it's too much work for me to backport patches from upstream, as they have now switched to wx2.8. aMule suffers of the same problem and there's is probably tones of others package's upstreams that switched to wx2.8 or plan to do. Despite many open bugs reports [2], current wx2.6 maintainer doesn't really seem to be interrested in packaging wx2.8. Anyone else ? Best regards, Adam. [1] http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/source/wxwidgets2.8 [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403237 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415677 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425647 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=440330 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:53:41PM +0200, Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) wrote: Hello developers, I'm writing you this mail to be sure everybody is aware of this issue and with the hope that someone will be interrested in fixing it ;) Lots of people are aware. Just look at the bugs against the current wxwidgets2.6 [0]. wxWidgets has been released a long time ago and we're still missing it. Yes, though for a good [1] reason. wx2.8 has been packaged for Ubuntu [1] so most of the initial packaging effort could be stolen there. Moreover, I already successfully rebuild wx2.8 from Ubuntu on Lenny without any change. It is not really a question of building or packaging it. That, as you realize is quite easy. The problem is wxwidgets' dozens of reverse dependencies. Currently, I don't have time (and skill) to maintain wx2.8, that's why I'm asking for your help. Current FileZilla package in debian is quite broken (beta version) but it's too much work for me to backport patches from upstream, as they have now switched to wx2.8. aMule suffers of the same problem and there's is probably tones of others package's upstreams that switched to wx2.8 or plan to do. Despite many open bugs reports [2], current wx2.6 maintainer doesn't really seem to be interrested in packaging wx2.8. Did you actually *read* the reports? Ron Lee (the current wxwidgets2.6 maintainer) is, AFAICT interested in packaging wxwidgets2.8. However, he wants to do it right. Rushing out and packaging a library right away that has a proven track record for stability problems, especially in new releases, is IMHO not the best way to go. I would have to agree with and support Ron on this. Perhaps you would be interested in joining the team? Some preliminary work has already been done by Ron. At some point he emailed the location of the source repository for the work that has been done already. Perhaps Ron can send the link again for those who are interested in helping? Regards, -Roberto [0] http://bugs.debian.org/src:wxwidgets2.6 [1] good is, of course, subjective -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
Scribit Roberto C. Sánchez dies 04/10/2007 hora 18:13: wxWidgets has been released a long time ago and we're still missing it. Yes, though for a good [1] reason. Sure, wxwidgets has numerous bugs, but is it that surprising for a library package that much used? (i.e. would such a backlog of bugs prevent any other library packager to upload a new upstream into Debian?) It is not really a question of building or packaging it. That, as you realize is quite easy. The problem is wxwidgets' dozens of reverse dependencies. Shouldn't then the package be uploaded to experimental for interactions with the reverse dependencies to be checked? Curiously, Pierre -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP 0xD9D50D8A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:45:25AM +0200, Pierre THIERRY wrote: Scribit Roberto C. Sánchez dies 04/10/2007 hora 18:13: wxWidgets has been released a long time ago and we're still missing it. Yes, though for a good [1] reason. Sure, wxwidgets has numerous bugs, but is it that surprising for a library package that much used? (i.e. would such a backlog of bugs prevent any other library packager to upload a new upstream into Debian?) I'm not sure. Nobody uses the only library I package :-) It is not really a question of building or packaging it. That, as you realize is quite easy. The problem is wxwidgets' dozens of reverse dependencies. Shouldn't then the package be uploaded to experimental for interactions with the reverse dependencies to be checked? I think that would be an acceptable course of action. I intend in the coming weeks to help Ron do that as I myself am doing some development of my own and would like to see wx2.8 packaged and in Debian as it would make my life easier. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
