Re: Any discussion of replacing MoinMoin?
On 2023-06-05 10:53, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, 2023-06-04 at 05:45 +, Martin wrote: >> To me, the most desperately missing feature is having wiki content in a >> VCS, such as git. I like to work on documentation like on code. > > This is a different kind of wiki to what Franklin and Kamaraju are used > to; MediaWiki is backed by a database instead of a VCS and has solely > web based editing with all the edit features provided by browsers and > JavaScript instead of local software. To the best of my knowledge (almost nothing, TBH) at least one of the three, gollum, has an in-browser editor, too. Probably a good thing to have, e.g. for smaller edits, corrections, etc. For larger edits, I very much prefer using well-known tools such as (ma)git, (e)diff. Esp. if multiple pages are involved and should be in one commit. >> I'm not sure, which wiki software does work that way. > IIRC MoinMoin 2.x has an option for this. Steve McIntyre planned on > working on packaging it for Debian so that we can switch to it later. Nice!
Re: Any discussion of replacing MoinMoin?
On Sun, 2023-06-04 at 05:45 +, Martin wrote: > To me, the most desperately missing feature is having wiki content in a > VCS, such as git. I like to work on documentation like on code. This is a different kind of wiki to what Franklin and Kamaraju are used to; MediaWiki is backed by a database instead of a VCS and has solely web based editing with all the edit features provided by browsers and JavaScript instead of local software. > I'm not sure, which wiki software does work that way. IIRC MoinMoin 2.x has an option for this. Steve McIntyre planned on working on packaging it for Debian so that we can switch to it later. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Any discussion of replacing MoinMoin?
On 2023-06-03 22:07, Franklin Yu wrote: > Has anyone considered switching to any alternative? The Debian Wiki UI does > not > attract users to contribute (no Wiki syntax highlight in the editor, for > example). To me, the most desperately missing feature is having wiki content in a VCS, such as git. I like to work on documentation like on code. That would also solve the problem of syntax highlighting, because editing is just done in ones favourite text editor. I'm not sure, which wiki software does work that way. I assume gitit, gollum, and ikiwiki do. Cheers
Re: Any discussion of replacing MoinMoin?
Hi Raju, Yes, I fully agree that editing a single section would be a nice feature. We may come up with a list of new features we want, such as: 1. Edit a single section or subsection. 2. Preview diff before submitting a new version. MoinMoin only supports previewing the final result, not the diff; in contrast, MediaWiki supports it. This way we can confirm what was changed, before submitting. 3. Nice to have: source code editor with Wiki syntax highlighting We might also benefit from a list of features in MoinMoin that we want to preserve, but I don’t have much idea about that. Anyway, it’s up to Debian developers to decide, of which I’m not a part. Regards, Franklin signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
wiki.debian.org / Re: Any discussion of replacing MoinMoin?
Hi Franklin, Thanks for your interest. On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 10:07:00PM +, Franklin Yu wrote: > > MoinMoin, the wiki software backing the Debian Wiki, has suffered from slow > development recently; the latest release is in 2020, and it is written in > Python > 2.7. The Python 3.5 support is still under development. > > Has anyone considered switching to any alternative? The Debian Wiki UI does > not > attract users to contribute (no Wiki syntax highlight in the editor, for > example). I guess it could be useful, and would need someone willing to do the (lots of) work and migration. See also https://bugs.debian.org/501954 wiki.debian.org: #501954: "use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin" for some (old) background. Bye, Joost
Re: Any discussion of replacing MoinMoin?
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 6:39 PM Franklin Yu wrote: > > Hi folks, > > MoinMoin, the wiki software backing the Debian Wiki, has suffered from slow > development recently; the latest release is in 2020, and it is written in > Python > 2.7. The Python 3.5 support is still under development. > > Has anyone considered switching to any alternative? The Debian Wiki UI does > not > attract users to contribute (no Wiki syntax highlight in the editor, for > example). One of the drawbacks of MoinMoin wiki is the lack of Section Edit feature. If you are choosing another wiki software, could you please choose something that has this feature. It would come in handy for editing large wiki pages. thanks raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://www.kamaraju.xyz/dk/blog
