Bug#311188: update current status in BTS

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Holger Levsen]
> Good to hear / have this documented here. So do need,
> debian-edu-config in etch at the moment or can this package be
> removed (esp. from the radar of people working on releasing etch in
> time..)?

Well, I would like to have all the packages we have on the CD pulled
from etch, so I want d-e-config in etch alongside with all the other
packages.

> Great. "But" with the package from our (=debian-edu) archive?!

My goal is to use the debian-edu archive only for testing, and to get
all the packages we need into etch before it freezes.  I am not sure
we succeed, but will do my best to make it happen.  We need fewer and
fewer non-debian packages for each release, so I hope we can get down
to < 5 packages for etch.

> I mean, that the debian d-i (in it's released state on the official
> etch cds or whatever medium) provides no means to load the
> debian-edu-config udeb.

Sure it does.  When creating the CD, create .disk/udeb_include on the
CD listing debian-edu-install-udeb, and the rest happen
automatically. :)

> For etch+1 I would be very happy to see a official debian dvd with
> capabilities (select install, installgui, expert, skolelinux,
> debian-med...)  to (also) install CDDs (and not only pure debian),
> which can only use packages from main, obviously. Maybe this
> constraint is too much to make it useful in etch+1, or maybe
> unofficial (from debians POV) DVDs are the way to go then.

That is definitely a bit further ahead, yes.  But it would be fairly
easy to only enable the debian-edu udeb if some kernel option is
passed into d-i, and get the d-i team to include it on the DVD.  Of
course we might not be able make sure all "our" packages are on the
official DVD. :)

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Re: Where are the French extra-packages?

[Morten Werner Olsen]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:41:07AM +0200, Xavier Oswald wrote:

> > Where are the French extra-packages?  They need to be uploaded into
> > Debian very soon to make it into Debian/Etch, and should be uploaded
> > into the debian-edu repository as well to make sure we track their
> > existence and try to find room for them on the first CD.
> 
> The packages are in the debian-edu repository : debian-edu/trunk/fr

Thierry and I started a todo-wiki-page [1] in Extremadura as a start of
moving the packages on the French Addon-CD into Debian and the DebianEdu
local-repository. I guess the people working on this should try to
update it with more info about the packages (package names, location in
SVN, maintainer).


- Werner


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Bug#311188: update current status in BTS

[Holger Levsen]

Hi,

On Monday 21 August 2006 20:37, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> None from my point of view, at least.  I care, and try to move as much
> configuration as possible into debconf preseeding.  But I do not
> consider it release critical for debian-edu.  We will release a new
> version independently of the state of this bug.

Good to hear / have this documented here. So do need, debian-edu-config in 
etch at the moment or can this package be removed (esp. from the radar of 
people working on releasing etch in time..)?

> solution.  My goal is to release debian-edu/etch fairly quickly after
> etch releases in desember. :)

Great. "But" with the package from our (=debian-edu) archive?!

> > And we're not integrated into the main d-i atm also, which _might_
> > be more unlikely to fix until the release anyway.
> What do you mean?  Our udeb integrates very nicely into the main d-i
> framework.  There are some minor bugs left, but in general, it is
> doing quite well.

I mean, that the debian d-i (in it's released state on the official etch cds 
or whatever medium) provides no means to load the debian-edu-config udeb.

For etch+1 I would be very happy to see a official debian dvd with 
capabilities (select install, installgui, expert, skolelinux, debian-med...) 
to (also) install CDDs (and not only pure debian), which can only use 
packages from main, obviously. Maybe this constraint is too much to make it 
useful in etch+1, or maybe unofficial (from debians POV) DVDs are the way to 
go then.


regards,
Holger


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Bug#311188: update current status in BTS

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Holger Levsen]
> Is it correct, that atm we "don't care" because (for the release) we
> can take debian-edu-config from our archive, not debians?!

None from my point of view, at least.  I care, and try to move as much
configuration as possible into debconf preseeding.  But I do not
consider it release critical for debian-edu.  We will release a new
version independently of the state of this bug.

As an example, yesterday, I was happy to discover that we could drop
the code to modify /bin/sh as this was preseed-able using a value in
the dash package. :)

I hope we can find more such settings, or get such settings into those
missing it at the moment, in time for etch.  But for those we are
unable to make preseedable, we will just have to find a working
solution.  My goal is to release debian-edu/etch fairly quickly after
etch releases in desember. :)

> And we're not integrated into the main d-i atm also, which _might_
> be more unlikely to fix until the release anyway.

What do you mean?  Our udeb integrates very nicely into the main d-i
framework.  There are some minor bugs left, but in general, it is
doing quite well.

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Bug#311188: update current status in BTS

[Holger Levsen]

Hi,

this bug has neither seen action nor traffic in the recent past. It's RC and 
marked "sarge-ignore", but etch is coming... ;-)

Is it correct, that atm we "don't care" because (for the release) we can take 
debian-edu-config from our archive, not debians?! And we're not integrated 
into the main d-i atm also, which _might_ be more unlikely to fix until the 
release anyway. Or...?! Comments very welcome. 


regards,
Holger


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Re: meeting 24/7-06

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Ronny Aasen]
> you just have to stay up all night :)
> 
> 21/8 should be ok for me. 

OK.  Today it is, and 19:00 GMT (21:00 norwegian time) is the time.

I've started on an agenda on
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>.

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Re: debian-edu-expert mode

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Finn-Arne Johansen]
> What will happen if someone accidential type expert instead of the
> full command-line ?

I suspect those will get the debconf/priority=low installation
instead. :)

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Re: debian-edu-expert mode

[Finn-Arne Johansen]

Steffen Joeris skrev:
> Hi
>
> During the last week we changed the debian-edu-expert mode and from now on it 
> has two addons in comparison to a normal installation,
> a. the barebone profile
> b. manual partitioning
>
> During the work on 2.0 we often heard that manual partitioning is sometimes 
> necessary due to various reasons.
> So from now on the debian-expert-mode is your choice if you really need it 
> (though you should know what you do and we recommend to use the normal mode).
>
> Again if you want to install with the debian-edu-expert mode type the 
> following line at the boot prompt and press enter.
>
> linux debian-edu-expert
>   

Why the long version, (linux debian-edu-expert) instead of the short
version (expert), familiar for those who install debian on a frequent
basis ?

What will happen if someone accidential type expert instead of the full
command-line ?


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[Bug 1022] Pre-install popularity contest from CD.

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http://bugs.skolelinux.no/show_bug.cgi?id=1022





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-08-21 13:18 ---
One issue with installing it by default is that it require Internet connection
to work.  Perhaps we should probe and see if we are able to connect using
http to popcon.skolelinux.org, and only enable it if we are?

I would like to ask this question during installation.  Perhaps we should leave
it to those installing to judge if they have a working Internet connection or
not?  If we choose this approach, all we need to do is to put the package on
the CD, and make sure we edit /etc/popularity-contest.conf with our URL
after the installation, if it exist.



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[Bug 537] LDAP schema should be FEIDE compatible

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-08-21 13:03 ---
Hi

Can somebody please state out if this bug is still important for us?

Cheers
Steffen



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Re: debian-edu-doc

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Steffen Joeris]
> I discovered some bugs in the bugzilla regarding the debian-edu-doc package.
> Does somebody know the status of this one?
> Can we put it into the debian-edu svn on alioth?
> DO we still need it?

The question should probably rather be, do we want the debian-edu
related documentation available in the installed systems.  And I
believe the answer to that question is yes.

The debian-edu-doc package was a collection of documentation found on
the web.  I'm sure we can move the build framework to alioth.

Someone need to decide which documentation should be included in the
package, how it should be built and maintained, and do the work
required to get it into debian.

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debian-edu-doc

[Steffen Joeris]

Hi

I discovered some bugs in the bugzilla regarding the debian-edu-doc package.
Does somebody know the status of this one?
Can we put it into the debian-edu svn on alioth?
DO we still need it?

Cheers
Steffen


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Re: Where are the French extra-packages?

[Steffen Joeris]

On Monday 21 August 2006 19:41, Xavier Oswald wrote:
> On 15:30 Sun 20 Aug , Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> > Where are the French extra-packages?  They need to be uploaded into
> > Debian very soon to make it into Debian/Etch, and should be uploaded
> > into the debian-edu repository as well to make sure we track their
> > existence and try to find room for them on the first CD.
>
> The packages are in the debian-edu repository : debian-edu/trunk/fr
Here the debian-edu repository means the packages from ftp.skolelinux.org, so 
not the svn repository, but the dak repository from debian-edu.


> > And if we are able to trim down the content on the first CD even
> > further, we will get the French packages on that CD instead.  Should
> > we try to make a DVD as well?
>
> The french addon CD take about 450Mb. So using two CDs is enough. But I
> like the idea of having a DVD :)
I like the idea of a DVD too.
At first we should focus on getting the most important stuff on the first CD 
and focus on that and then we have a second CD with the rest anyway.

Cheers
Steffen


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Re: Where are the French extra-packages?

[Xavier Oswald]

On 15:30 Sun 20 Aug , Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> 
> Where are the French extra-packages?  They need to be uploaded into
> Debian very soon to make it into Debian/Etch, and should be uploaded
> into the debian-edu repository as well to make sure we track their
> existence and try to find room for them on the first CD.

The packages are in the debian-edu repository : debian-edu/trunk/fr

> The lack of visible progress in getting them into Debian worries me.
> I believe there is a lot of hard work left to do before they will be
> ready to go into Etch, and unless someone (I'm not going to work on
> it) start doing the work, the packages will be missing in Debian.

You are right, there is a lot of work left before they will be ready.
The bad point is that Im alone working on this packaging but I will
start the work of getting them into debian this week !!

> There were questions about automatically building the French extra CD
> on administrator.s.n.  I'm all for it.  I suspect the easiest approach
> to make that happen is to upload the packages to the debian-edu
> repository and list them as recommends and suggests in the debian-edu
> tasks.  This will make the packages show up on the second CD now being
> built for Etch.  We can then call this CD the French extra CD. :)

Ok, I will list them in the debian-edu task.

> And if we are able to trim down the content on the first CD even
> further, we will get the French packages on that CD instead.  Should
> we try to make a DVD as well?

The french addon CD take about 450Mb. So using two CDs is enough. But I
like the idea of having a DVD :)

> French team, please focus on this.  Time is short before etch freezes,
> and there is a lot of hard work left to do. :)

Yep !

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Bug#383973: debian-edu-install: package description problems

[Gerfried Fuchs]

Package: debian-edu-install
Version: 0.652
Severity: minor

Hi!

 Please write in full sentences in the long description, that's what it
is there for.

 Furthermore, it would be also helpful if the URL referenced in the
package description doesn't yield a 404.

 So long,
Alfie
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