Re: EduFication package
[Giorgio Pioda] >> Cool. Sound like a package we should keep in the debian-edu >> project on Alioth? Perhaps you should join the project and put the >> source there? > > I'm really not a programmer (have a PhD in Chemistry, not in IT) and > I have terrible tendency to write spaghetti code... > > Anyway, I first have to decide if I'll switch my school to DebianEdu > removing my old hand written system (Kerberos,NIS,NFS4). (99% yes, > but I want to test a little more). Then I could join. The "join the project" part of my suggestion above was a technical one, as it is required to get write access to the repository on Alioth. It was not intended as a statement of intent to work on the project in general. If you decide not to use Debian Edu, it is fine for us if you want to resign from the project later. > In all cases, if the package works, I'll publish it GPL'ized. (I've > to admit that is not that a big work) If you publish it in our repository right away, you can more easily get help by us writing it, and cleaning up your spagetti code. :) -- Happy hacking Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120206075751.gg10...@login1.uio.no
Re: EduFication package
Hi On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 10:14:46PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Giorgio Pioda] > > Hi, > > > > I'm working on a binary .deb that can resolv for dependecies, and > > using dpkg --divert install configs so that a plain Debian or Ubuntu > > istallation is transformed into a workstation client. > > Cool. Sound like a package we should keep in the debian-edu project on > Alioth? Perhaps you should join the project and put the source there? > I'm really not a programmer (have a PhD in Chemistry, not in IT) and I have terrible tendency to write spaghetti code... Anyway, I first have to decide if I'll switch my school to DebianEdu removing my old hand written system (Kerberos,NIS,NFS4). (99% yes, but I want to test a little more). Then I could join. In all cases, if the package works, I'll publish it GPL'ized. (I've to admit that is not that a big work) Cheers Giorgio >-- > Happy hacking > Petter Reinholdtsen > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2flmx8xkmnt@diskless.uio.no > > -- Sysadmin SPSE-Tenero Ufficio: +41 91 735 62 48 Cellulare: +41 79 629 20 63 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120206075420.gc2...@ticino.com
Re: Diskless clients: NFSv4 mounting with sec=krb5p and no machine creds
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 10:51:08PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Andreas B. Mundt] > > How long? I think entering the username triggers autofs (to read the > > user's configuration, for example which desktop he want's to start by > > default). What if someone takes 15 seconds to enter his password, and > > someone else needs only 3 seconds? > > This do not sound right. Setups using pam_mount work, and I believe PAM > is only invoked after the password is entered. Because of this, I > believe the users home directory isn't accessed before the password is > entered. > I did not say that pam_mount doesn't work. I believe gdm tries to access the home directory. If it doesn't succeed, this is non-fatal. However we don't have to argue about that, it should be easy to check: Login on a terminal on a workstation as root, check if the home directories are not yet mounted and then login on gdm as a user and carefully check when the home directory is accessed/mounted using the terminal. > What are you seeing that make you believe PAM is invoked too late? > Could it be some other pam module called earlier in the stack that > causes the effect? Hm? Are we talking about the same issue, making a diskless workstation work without machine credentials? Best regards, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120206075235.GA4158@fuzi
Re: Diskless clients: NFSv4 mounting with sec=krb5p and no machine creds
Hi On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 10:35:08PM +0100, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 05:25:20PM +0100, Giorgio Pioda wrote: > > > > The script executed right after authentication copies the user's > > > Kerberos ticket to the file krb5cc_diskless which is owned by root. > > > This ticket will be picked up by gssd to create the security context > > > needed. However, it's needed to restart autofs, I am not exactly sure > > > why. It looks like autofs caches failures in mounting a directory > > > (which it tries earlier in the login process), and does not try again > > > immediately when the ticket is available. > > > > > > > What about setting a delay in autofs? > > > > How long? I think entering the username triggers autofs (to read the > user's configuration, for example which desktop he want's to start by > default). What if someone takes 15 seconds to enter his password, and > someone else needs only 3 seconds? Only if exactly at the right > moment where pam gives the OK (i.e. the ticket is available) for login > the autofs is triggered it will manage to provide the home directory. > Imediatelly after that the user will have / as home (or might not be > allowed to login on gdm). It is pam that triggers autofs, I guess. Probably it is possible to construct pam rules in such a way that your script is first executed and only after this step aufofs is called, (either with libpam-script or libpam-exec). I've read around that such an hack has been tested for EduUbuntu (thiny client based), but the guys didn't publish the details. > So I don't think that will work. Did you have any success with the > >verify_ap_req_nofail = false > Yes, but it seems to be false by default. I have to test it again; no success until now. > stuff? > > Best regards, > > Andi > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205213507.GA6821@flashgordon > > Regards Giorgio -- Sysadmin SPSE-Tenero Ufficio: +41 91 735 62 48 Cellulare: +41 79 629 20 63 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120206074534.gb2...@ticino.com
Re: Diskless clients: NFSv4 mounting with sec=krb5p and no machine creds
[Andreas B. Mundt] > How long? I think entering the username triggers autofs (to read the > user's configuration, for example which desktop he want's to start by > default). What if someone takes 15 seconds to enter his password, and > someone else needs only 3 seconds? This do not sound right. Setups using pam_mount work, and I believe PAM is only invoked after the password is entered. Because of this, I believe the users home directory isn't accessed before the password is entered. What are you seeing that make you believe PAM is invoked too late? Could it be some other pam module called earlier in the stack that causes the effect? -- Happy hacking Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2flk441kkz7@diskless.uio.no
Re: Diskless clients: NFSv4 mounting with sec=krb5p and no machine creds
Hi, On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 05:25:20PM +0100, Giorgio Pioda wrote: > > The script executed right after authentication copies the user's > > Kerberos ticket to the file krb5cc_diskless which is owned by root. > > This ticket will be picked up by gssd to create the security context > > needed. However, it's needed to restart autofs, I am not exactly sure > > why. It looks like autofs caches failures in mounting a directory > > (which it tries earlier in the login process), and does not try again > > immediately when the ticket is available. > > > > What about setting a delay in autofs? > How long? I think entering the username triggers autofs (to read the user's configuration, for example which desktop he want's to start by default). What if someone takes 15 seconds to enter his password, and someone else needs only 3 seconds? Only if exactly at the right moment where pam gives the OK (i.e. the ticket is available) for login the autofs is triggered it will manage to provide the home directory. Imediatelly after that the user will have / as home (or might not be allowed to login on gdm). So I don't think that will work. Did you have any success with the verify_ap_req_nofail = false stuff? Best regards, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205213507.GA6821@flashgordon
Re: EduFication package
[Giorgio Pioda] > Hi, > > I'm working on a binary .deb that can resolv for dependecies, and > using dpkg --divert install configs so that a plain Debian or Ubuntu > istallation is transformed into a workstation client. Cool. Sound like a package we should keep in the debian-edu project on Alioth? Perhaps you should join the project and put the source there? -- Happy hacking Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2flmx8xkmnt@diskless.uio.no
EduFication package
Hi, I'm working on a binary .deb that can resolv for dependecies, and using dpkg --divert install configs so that a plain Debian or Ubuntu istallation is transformed into a workstation client. Cheers Giorgio -- Sysadmin SPSE-Tenero Ufficio: +41 91 735 62 48 Cellulare: +41 79 629 20 63 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205193211.ga6...@ticino.com
Re: Diskless clients: NFSv4 mounting with sec=krb5p and no machine creds
Hi > > The script executed right after authentication copies the user's > Kerberos ticket to the file krb5cc_diskless which is owned by root. > This ticket will be picked up by gssd to create the security context > needed. However, it's needed to restart autofs, I am not exactly sure > why. It looks like autofs caches failures in mounting a directory > (which it tries earlier in the login process), and does not try again > immediately when the ticket is available. > What about setting a delay in autofs? -- Sysadmin SPSE-Tenero Ufficio: +41 91 735 62 48 Cellulare: +41 79 629 20 63 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205162520.ga2...@ticino.com
Re: Bug#658563: debian-edu-config: [INTL:id] Indonesian debconf templates translation
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:22 PM, David Prévot wrote: > Hi, > > Le 05/02/2012 08:35, Petter Reinholdtsen a écrit : >> [Kurniawan Haikal] >>> Of course, i'd love to and i'll try my best. But could you give me, >>> some links may be, that help me to understand how to translate >>> debian-edu-config/www/? Because i'm new to this things. And I'll try >>> to ask people in Indonesian translation team too about it. >> >> Sure. >> >> Fetch the source for debian-edu-config from unstable and copy > > Even easier: download the PO file directly from > > http://i18n.debian.net/material/po/unstable/main/d/debian-edu-config/www/debian-edu-config_1.449_index.pot.gz > >> www/index.pot to www/id.po to get started. Submit the resulting id.po >> to BTS. >> >> Similar for debian-edu-install, fetch from unstable and work in >> debian/po/. > > Similar easier way: download it from > > http://i18n.debian.net/material/po/unstable/main/d/debian-edu-install/debian/po/debian-edu-install_1.524_templates.pot.gz > > Regards > > David > > P.-S.: links from > http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/pot#debian-edu-config and > http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/pot#debian-edu-install > Got it. Thanks all :) -- Kurniawan Haikal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAAhTSxUe1-0pdPGBqQjTR_8woe-RGk3jq0yAÌbsfi63h1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Bug#658563: debian-edu-config: [INTL:id] Indonesian debconf templates translation
Hi, Le 05/02/2012 08:35, Petter Reinholdtsen a écrit : > [Kurniawan Haikal] >> Of course, i'd love to and i'll try my best. But could you give me, >> some links may be, that help me to understand how to translate >> debian-edu-config/www/? Because i'm new to this things. And I'll try >> to ask people in Indonesian translation team too about it. > > Sure. > > Fetch the source for debian-edu-config from unstable and copy Even easier: download the PO file directly from http://i18n.debian.net/material/po/unstable/main/d/debian-edu-config/www/debian-edu-config_1.449_index.pot.gz > www/index.pot to www/id.po to get started. Submit the resulting id.po > to BTS. > > Similar for debian-edu-install, fetch from unstable and work in > debian/po/. Similar easier way: download it from http://i18n.debian.net/material/po/unstable/main/d/debian-edu-install/debian/po/debian-edu-install_1.524_templates.pot.gz Regards David P.-S.: links from http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/pot#debian-edu-config and http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/pot#debian-edu-install signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
debian-edu-config_1.450_i386.changes ACCEPTED
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Bug#658563: marked as done (debian-edu-config: [INTL:id] Indonesian debconf templates translation)
Your message dated Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:47:13 + with message-id and subject line Bug#658563: fixed in debian-edu-config 1.450 has caused the Debian Bug report #658563, regarding debian-edu-config: [INTL:id] Indonesian debconf templates translation to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what this message is talking about, this may indicate a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact ow...@bugs.debian.org immediately.) -- 658563: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658563 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems --- Begin Message --- Source: debian-edu-config Version: 1.448 Severity: wishlist Tags: patch l10n X-Debbugs-CC: debian-l10n-indones...@lists.debian.org id.po attached. Regards. -- Kurniawan Haikal # SOME DESCRIPTIVE TITLE. # Copyright (C) YEAR THE PACKAGE'S COPYRIGHT HOLDER # This file is distributed under the same license as the PACKAGE package. # FIRST AUTHOR , YEAR. # msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: debian-edu-config 1.448\n" "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: debian-edu@lists.debian.org\n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2006-09-22 22:06+1000\n" "PO-Revision-Date: 2012-02-04 11:58+0700\n" "Last-Translator: Kurniawan Haikal \n" "Language-Team: Debian Indonesia Translators \n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" #. Type: boolean #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:1001 msgid "Should the init.d/update-hostname script run at boot time?" msgstr "Apakah script init.d/update-hostname dijalankan pada saat boot?" #. Type: boolean #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:2001 msgid "Do you want to run enable-nat on your system?" msgstr "Apakah anda ingin menjalankan enable-nat pada sistem anda?" #. Type: boolean #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:2001 msgid "" "The enable-nat script activates NAT for your Thin-Clients and overwrites " "your iptables rules." msgstr "" "Script enable-nat mengaktifkan NAT untuk Thin-Client anda dan menimpa aturan iptables anda." --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Source: debian-edu-config Source-Version: 1.450 We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of debian-edu-config, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive: debian-edu-config-gosa-netgroups_1.450_all.deb to main/d/debian-edu-config/debian-edu-config-gosa-netgroups_1.450_all.deb debian-edu-config_1.450.dsc to main/d/debian-edu-config/debian-edu-config_1.450.dsc debian-edu-config_1.450.tar.gz to main/d/debian-edu-config/debian-edu-config_1.450.tar.gz debian-edu-config_1.450_all.deb to main/d/debian-edu-config/debian-edu-config_1.450_all.deb A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is attached. Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed. If you have further comments please address them to 658...@bugs.debian.org, and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate. Debian distribution maintenance software pp. Petter Reinholdtsen (supplier of updated debian-edu-config package) (This message was generated automatically at their request; if you believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive administrators by mailing ftpmas...@debian.org) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:36:01 +0100 Source: debian-edu-config Binary: debian-edu-config debian-edu-config-gosa-netgroups Architecture: source all Version: 1.450 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Edu Developers Changed-By: Petter Reinholdtsen Description: debian-edu-config - Configuration files for Skolelinux systems debian-edu-config-gosa-netgroups - netgroups plugin for GOsa² Closes: 658563 Changes: debian-edu-config (1.450) unstable; urgency=low . [ Petter Reinholdtsen ] * Document that debian-edu-munin-node.conf need to change when using subnet-change. * Move libjavascript-perl from depends to recommends, to see if it still is installed and to get our packages to propagate to wheezy while we figure out a solution for #631045. * Raise versioned dependency on education-tasks from (>= 0.842~svn60380) (>= 0.853), to ensure we get the current one and detect when only the old version is available. . * Translation updates: - Updates Indonesian debconf translation from Kurniawan Haikal (Closes: #658563). Checksums-Sha1: f8beba0b4cc4ceea384f82ba94e2f21424257fb7 1447 debian-edu-config_1.450.dsc b80698f56dd58b0358bc6df00743c0bdc9eb5842 498895 debian-edu-config_1.450.tar.gz 2e5c793ea94d6728f19484fbe96ca768440a77bb 387666 debian-edu-config_1.450_all.deb a1a60c818c767457d2c3cffa4647245c6d9f0472 111016 debian-edu-config-gosa-netgroups_1.4
Re: Bug#658563: debian-edu-config: [INTL:id] Indonesian debconf templates translation
[Kurniawan Haikal] > Of course, i'd love to and i'll try my best. But could you give me, > some links may be, that help me to understand how to translate > debian-edu-config/www/? Because i'm new to this things. And I'll try > to ask people in Indonesian translation team too about it. Sure. Fetch the source for debian-edu-config from unstable and copy www/index.pot to www/id.po to get started. Submit the resulting id.po to BTS. Similar for debian-edu-install, fetch from unstable and work in debian/po/. Cc to the project list, to allow our translator coordinator to contribute. -- Happy hacking Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205123532.gl8...@login1.uio.no
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NFSv4 Kerberized
Hi, On my Ubuntu workstation client I've been able to kerberize NFSv4 mounts. Basically It is needed to create princ and keytab for nfs/yourclient.intern. The princ for the nfs server is already existent as nfs/tjener.intern, but adding the keytab is needed. Keytab can go to default krb5.keytab, since nfs runs as root. No need to add kerberos autentication of the autofs service, like stated somewhere in internet (autofsclient principal and keytab). Important is the "ktadd -e des" options for all nfs/xxx.intern since nfsv4 works only with des, and the allow_weak_crypto = true in krb5.conf. Then modify ldap options "automountInformation: -fstype=nfs4,sec=krb5,rw tjener.intern:/&" The rest is rebooting two or three times (no idea why, both tjener and client), and checking the mount options with "mount" command. At this stage I guess that it is possible to remove the sys option in/etc/exports on tjener. ( Not tried yet, for sake of compatibility with other client images). Regards Giorgio P.S: Next would be to use authentication without TGT and avoiding the keytab for client and server. -- Sysadmin SPSE-Tenero Ufficio: +41 91 735 62 48 Cellulare: +41 79 629 20 63 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205103748.ga4...@ticino.com
