Re: GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
Hi, On Montag, 6. Juni 2011, Mike Gabriel wrote: last night I have looked into Samba+LDAP+GOsa. The realization about that part for Debian Edu/Skolelinux is: if we want flawless und fluent Windows integration in Debian Edu (yes, we want that!!!) then there is still a bunch of work to do. yes, we want that. For wheezy. Windows integration wasnt flawless and fluent in lenny, so at this stage of the release we shouldnt aim to be better. Maybe a small regression is even fine as well. There was an ITP on gopdc in Debian BTS: http://bugs.debian.org/311333 this bug is 6 years old - which makes me think that gopdc is not as useful as it seems. also, what does it do what smbldap-tools doesnt? And anyway: @Holger: do you agree on dragging in another binary package into source package debian-edu-config? No. And this is software which is not even available in Debian atm, so double no. Any comments, any other ideas? On Montag, 6. Juni 2011, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: Can we first bring the current system to a status where the things that worked before the Hamburg meeting work again and the things we fixed in Hamburg can be tested? I think of NetworkManager issues, NFS4 and Kerberos, LTSP-CLients, ... Amen. cheers, Holger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106071425.15960.hol...@layer-acht.org
Re: GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
Hi Holger, On Di 07 Jun 2011 14:25:14 CEST Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Montag, 6. Juni 2011, Mike Gabriel wrote: last night I have looked into Samba+LDAP+GOsa. The realization about that part for Debian Edu/Skolelinux is: if we want flawless und fluent Windows integration in Debian Edu (yes, we want that!!!) then there is still a bunch of work to do. yes, we want that. For wheezy. Windows integration wasnt flawless and fluent in lenny, so at this stage of the release we shouldnt aim to be better. Maybe a small regression is even fine as well. No, a regression is not really fine. IMHO it actually rather sucks! But that's merely one point of view. There was an ITP on gopdc in Debian BTS: http://bugs.debian.org/311333 this bug is 6 years old - which makes me think that gopdc is not as useful as it seems. also, what does it do what smbldap-tools doesnt? And anyway: It adds GOsa object classes and attributes, so that newly added machines get recognized by GOsa. @Holger: do you agree on dragging in another binary package into source package debian-edu-config? No. And this is software which is not even available in Debian atm, so double no. I get your scepticism about gopdc. I actually share it (mainly because of age, also because of PHP). But it seems to be one add-on component for GOsa being actively used by Gonicus co. Any comments, any other ideas? On Montag, 6. Juni 2011, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: Can we first bring the current system to a status where the things that worked before the Hamburg meeting work again and the things we fixed in Hamburg can be tested? I think of NetworkManager issues, NFS4 and Kerberos, LTSP-CLients, ... Amen. So, I will commit my (generic) changes to Samba later and comment out the gopdc stuff. Greets, Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, dorfstr. 27, 24245 barmissen fon: +49 (4302) 281418, fax: +49 (4302) 281419 GnuPG Key ID 0xB588399B mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgp8SPZaQl0ag.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift
Re: GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
On Dienstag, 7. Juni 2011, Mike Gabriel wrote: No, a regression is not really fine. IMHO it actually rather sucks! absolutly. but sometimes a regression is a tradeoff one has to take. But it seems to be one add-on component for GOsa being actively used by Gonicus co. why is it not part of gosa then? So, I will commit my (generic) changes to Samba later and comment out the gopdc stuff. thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106071643.27741.hol...@layer-acht.org
Re: GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
Le Monday 06 June 2011 23:11:12 Mike Gabriel, vous avez écrit : Hi all, Hello, last night I have looked into Samba+LDAP+GOsa. The realization about that part for Debian Edu/Skolelinux is: if we want flawless und fluent Windows integration in Debian Edu (yes, we want that!!!) then there is still a bunch of work to do. The current problem is the scripting backend needed for Samba to manipulate LDAP entries in a way that they get recognized by GOsa. The task (not yet fully tested) can be simplified by dragging in another non-Debian GOsa extension: http://linux.gonicus.de/linux/portfolio/loesungen/gopdc.html https://oss.gonicus.de/labs/gopdc There was an ITP on gopdc in Debian BTS: http://bugs.debian.org/311333 i will advise you against using this as the code is not maintened and non fonctionnal in lots of case :) @Alejandro: I primarily would like to your Alejandros opinion about the question: do you recommend this piece of software? Would it make sense to revive the above ITP, prepare gopdc for Debian wheeze, include gopdc in debian-edu-config for now, etc. @Holger: do you agree on dragging in another binary package into source package debian-edu-config? One other approach would be do write a similar script set or put some (modified and GOsa adapted) forks of smbldap-tools into debian-edu-config or write the helper scripts from scratch. None of that seem really promising... Any comments, any other ideas? i'am not alejandro or holger :) but i recommend isung smbldap-tools I can help with this part that i know fairly well :) Cheers -- Benoit Mortier CEO OpenSides logiciels libres pour entreprises : http://www.opensides.eu/ Promouvoir et défendre le Logiciel Libre http://www.april.org/ Main developper in FusionDirectory : http://www.fusiondirectory.org/ Contributor to OPSI : http://opsi.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106072238.23348.benoit.mort...@opensides.be
Re: GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
Hi Holger, On Di 07 Jun 2011 16:43:26 CEST Holger Levsen wrote: But it seems to be one add-on component for GOsa being actively used by Gonicus co. why is it not part of gosa then? It is not part of GOsa, but it is advertised on the same homepage: http://oss.gonicus.de/ About the gonicus internals I am not informed... Maybe Alejandro know more (ping...). Greets, Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, dorfstr. 27, 24245 barmissen fon: +49 (4302) 281418, fax: +49 (4302) 281419 GnuPG Key ID 0xB588399B mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpMJ6DVuhnh8.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift
Re: GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
Hi Benoit, great to hear from you on this channel!!! Thanks for your genuine offering!!! On Di 07 Jun 2011 22:38:21 CEST Benoit Mortier wrote: Le Monday 06 June 2011 23:11:12 Mike Gabriel, vous avez écrit : There was an ITP on gopdc in Debian BTS: http://bugs.debian.org/311333 i will advise you against using this as the code is not maintened and non fonctionnal in lots of case :) Ok, thanks for giving this feedback!!! Any comments, any other ideas? i'am not alejandro or holger :) but i recommend isung smbldap-tools I can help with this part that i know fairly well :) @Holger: would Benoit's offer change your opinion on Samba+LDAP+GOsa integration for squeeze vs. for wheezy??? If yes, I can start working on that after the next weekend. @Benoit: is there a site with documentation that expains how Samba+LDAP+GOsa integration is done with smbldap-tools. Esp. the handling of GOsa object classes via smbldap-tools? Greets, mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, dorfstr. 27, 24245 barmissen fon: +49 (4302) 281418, fax: +49 (4302) 281419 GnuPG Key ID 0xB588399B mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpTKBWs5Ewq7.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift
GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
Hi all, last night I have looked into Samba+LDAP+GOsa. The realization about that part for Debian Edu/Skolelinux is: if we want flawless und fluent Windows integration in Debian Edu (yes, we want that!!!) then there is still a bunch of work to do. The current problem is the scripting backend needed for Samba to manipulate LDAP entries in a way that they get recognized by GOsa. The task (not yet fully tested) can be simplified by dragging in another non-Debian GOsa extension: http://linux.gonicus.de/linux/portfolio/loesungen/gopdc.html https://oss.gonicus.de/labs/gopdc There was an ITP on gopdc in Debian BTS: http://bugs.debian.org/311333 @Alejandro: I primarily would like to your Alejandros opinion about the question: do you recommend this piece of software? Would it make sense to revive the above ITP, prepare gopdc for Debian wheeze, include gopdc in debian-edu-config for now, etc. @Holger: do you agree on dragging in another binary package into source package debian-edu-config? One other approach would be do write a similar script set or put some (modified and GOsa adapted) forks of smbldap-tools into debian-edu-config or write the helper scripts from scratch. None of that seem really promising... Any comments, any other ideas? Thanks, Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, dorfstr. 27, 24245 barmissen fon: +49 (4302) 281418, fax: +49 (4302) 281419 GnuPG Key ID 0xB588399B mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpM3SnRmKXna.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift
Re: GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
Hi, On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 11:11:12PM +0200, Mike Gabriel wrote: last night I have looked into Samba+LDAP+GOsa. The realization about that part for Debian Edu/Skolelinux is: if we want flawless und fluent Windows integration in Debian Edu (yes, we want that!!!) then there is still a bunch of work to do. [...] Any comments, any other ideas? Can we first bring the current system to a status where the things that worked before the Hamburg meeting work again and the things we fixed in Hamburg can be tested? I think of NetworkManager issues, NFS4 and Kerberos, LTSP-CLients, ... Best regards, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110606212145.GB8029@flashgordon
Re: GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
Hi Andi, On Mo 06 Jun 2011 23:21:45 CEST Andreas B. Mundt wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 11:11:12PM +0200, Mike Gabriel wrote: last night I have looked into Samba+LDAP+GOsa. The realization about that part for Debian Edu/Skolelinux is: if we want flawless und fluent Windows integration in Debian Edu (yes, we want that!!!) then there is still a bunch of work to do. [...] Any comments, any other ideas? Can we first bring the current system to a status where the things that worked before the Hamburg meeting work again and the things we fixed in Hamburg can be tested? I think of NetworkManager issues, NFS4 and Kerberos, LTSP-CLients, ... Yes! And: if one of my task is taking (together with other) care of Samba I would love to know if going into the GoPDC direction (with testing, preparations etc.) makes sense to the common agreements in the project. I basically think, that Andreas is right about fixing everything to receive a pre-Hamburg state with all extra-functionality that we added in Hamburg. Best, Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, dorfstr. 27, 24245 barmissen fon: +49 (4302) 281418, fax: +49 (4302) 281419 GnuPG Key ID 0xB588399B mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpam6uzlNNDN.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift
Re: GOsa/LDAP/Samba integration - GoPDC integration in debian-edu-config
Hi Andi, hi Holger, hi all, On Mo 06 Jun 2011 23:21:45 CEST Andreas B. Mundt wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 11:11:12PM +0200, Mike Gabriel wrote: last night I have looked into Samba+LDAP+GOsa. The realization about that part for Debian Edu/Skolelinux is: if we want flawless und fluent Windows integration in Debian Edu (yes, we want that!!!) then there is still a bunch of work to do. I have a TJENER with working Samba domain joining here as a virtual box instance. I use gopdc as scripting backend in Samba as a helper tool to join the domain. The workflow, however, is: o as domain admin: let a samba client join the domain o then: visit GOsa and add the necessary stuff (Hostname, IP, MAC, enable DNS/DHCP etc.) Waiting for feedback when and if I shall start working the changes into SVN (before beta1 or after?). I, too, think that we should establish a status quo that works again. (What is needed for that?) I also need feedback on using gopdc for the Samba+GOsa integration. Greetings, Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, dorfstr. 27, 24245 barmissen fon: +49 (4302) 281418, fax: +49 (4302) 281419 GnuPG Key ID 0xB588399B mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpdb02bpbdBs.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift
