Re: Bug#473458: manpages-dev: dlopen man page contradicts ld.so(8)
Justin Pryzby wrote: reassign 473458 libc6 found 473458 2.7-9 thanks On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:48:46PM +0300, ygrek wrote: man dlopen says : Otherwise, the dynamic linker searches for the library as follows (see ld.so(8) for further details): [...] o The directories /lib and /usr/lib are searched (in that order). and man ld.so : The necessary shared libraries needed by the program are searched for in the following order [...] o In the default path /usr/lib, and then /lib. so what is searched first - /usr/lib or /lib? [...] But I think it's sufficiently accurate to say that the /lib heirarchy is searched before that of /usr/lib, so ld.so.8 is wrong, thus reassigning. This correct. NOTE: this bad text is in a Debian downstream patch. The usptream page is correct on this point (and has been forever, AFAICS) Cheers, Michael -- Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Want to report a man-pages bug? Look here: http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/reporting_bugs.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#473458: manpages-dev: dlopen man page contradicts ld.so(8)
Michael Kerrisk wrote: Justin Pryzby wrote: reassign 473458 libc6 found 473458 2.7-9 thanks On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:48:46PM +0300, ygrek wrote: man dlopen says : Otherwise, the dynamic linker searches for the library as follows (see ld.so(8) for further details): [...] o The directories /lib and /usr/lib are searched (in that order). and man ld.so : The necessary shared libraries needed by the program are searched for in the following order [...] o In the default path /usr/lib, and then /lib. so what is searched first - /usr/lib or /lib? [...] But I think it's sufficiently accurate to say that the /lib heirarchy is searched before that of /usr/lib, so ld.so.8 is wrong, thus reassigning. This correct. NOTE: this bad text is in a Debian downstream patch. The usptream page is correct on this point (and has been forever, AFAICS) Oops! Will fix. Regards, Joey -- Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#473458: manpages-dev: dlopen man page contradicts ld.so(8)
user [EMAIL PROTECTED] usertag 473458 debian-specific thanks On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 06:52:12PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk wrote: Justin Pryzby wrote: reassign 473458 libc6 found 473458 2.7-9 thanks On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:48:46PM +0300, ygrek wrote: man dlopen says : Otherwise, the dynamic linker searches for the library as follows (see ld.so(8) for further details): [...] o The directories /lib and /usr/lib are searched (in that order). and man ld.so : The necessary shared libraries needed by the program are searched for in the following order [...] o In the default path /usr/lib, and then /lib. so what is searched first - /usr/lib or /lib? [...] But I think it's sufficiently accurate to say that the /lib heirarchy is searched before that of /usr/lib, so ld.so.8 is wrong, thus reassigning. This correct. NOTE: this bad text is in a Debian downstream patch. The usptream page is correct on this point (and has been forever, AFAICS) The ld.so manpage seems to be introduced (not patched) by Debian's diff. Where does the ld.so.8 page used by the rest of the world come from? Does redhat or someone else maintain another page (separate from both glibc upstream and Debian). Justin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#473458: manpages-dev: dlopen man page contradicts ld.so(8)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Justin Pryzby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: user [EMAIL PROTECTED] usertag 473458 debian-specific thanks On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 06:52:12PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk wrote: Justin Pryzby wrote: reassign 473458 libc6 found 473458 2.7-9 thanks On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:48:46PM +0300, ygrek wrote: man dlopen says : Otherwise, the dynamic linker searches for the library as follows (see ld.so(8) for further details): [...] o The directories /lib and /usr/lib are searched (in that order). and man ld.so : The necessary shared libraries needed by the program are searched for in the following order [...] o In the default path /usr/lib, and then /lib. so what is searched first - /usr/lib or /lib? [...] But I think it's sufficiently accurate to say that the /lib heirarchy is searched before that of /usr/lib, so ld.so.8 is wrong, thus reassigning. This correct. NOTE: this bad text is in a Debian downstream patch. The usptream page is correct on this point (and has been forever, AFAICS) The ld.so manpage seems to be introduced (not patched) by Debian's diff. Where does the ld.so.8 page used by the rest of the world come from? Does redhat or someone else maintain another page (separate from both glibc upstream and Debian). It's in my set; ld.so.8 is one of the few section 8 pages in upstream man-pages. -- Michael Kerrisk Maintainer of the Linux man-pages project http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Want to report a man-pages bug? Look here: http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/reporting_bugs.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Bug#473458: manpages-dev: dlopen man page contradicts ld.so(8)
reassign 473458 libc6,manpages thanks On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 08:15:43PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Justin Pryzby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: user [EMAIL PROTECTED] usertag 473458 debian-specific thanks On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 06:52:12PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk wrote: Justin Pryzby wrote: reassign 473458 libc6 found 473458 2.7-9 thanks On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:48:46PM +0300, ygrek wrote: But I think it's sufficiently accurate to say that the /lib heirarchy is searched before that of /usr/lib, so ld.so.8 is wrong, thus reassigning. This correct. NOTE: this bad text is in a Debian downstream patch. The usptream page is correct on this point (and has been forever, AFAICS) The ld.so manpage seems to be introduced (not patched) by Debian's diff. Where does the ld.so.8 page used by the rest of the world come from? Does redhat or someone else maintain another page (separate from both glibc upstream and Debian). It's in my set; ld.so.8 is one of the few section 8 pages in upstream man-pages. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know the history behind the libc6 package vs. manpages package inclusion of ld.so.8. It seems to me that manpages is the way to go. I note these differences: . /etc/ld.so.nohwcap; this might be debian-specific, eg. for multi-arch. . The entirely of sections BUGS, NOTES, AUTHORS, COLOPHON; . the libc6 page suffers from bug#365112, fixed in manpages; . man-pages has a more complete and correct description of the search order (This is the initial bug report); . man-pages has better hyphenation escaping; . man-pages fixes typo LD_(DEBUG|PROFILE)_OUTPUT . includes LD_*: SHOW_AUXV, HWCAP_MASK, ORIGIN_PATH, DYNAMIC_WEAK . includes libc5-specific LD_*: KEEPDIR, ARGV0 Suggested fixes to the man-pages content to make it better than the libc6 content in every way: s/indirectly through/indirectly by/ s/resolval/resolution/ s/linked with/ the/ s/set to non/set to a non/ (multiple times) s/Do not update ... and/Update neither .../ Instead of various places, say in the following order. Include content regarding: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL: (with fix: s/multiple version is/multiple versions are/) $PLATFORM: (or uncomment this) (with fix: s/specifcation/specification/) I think glibc should drop ld.so.8. The manpages copy seems to be more easily made to be the best of the two, and gets wider visibility so can be reasonably expected to remain so. Any debian-specific linker changes (perhaps including ld.so.conf.d?) can get included in the debian diff to man-pages. That seems a preferable situation to including an separately-maintained and undiffably-different manpage in libc6, which includes only very few manpages (and only for normal executables and the configuration file gai.conf). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#473458: manpages-dev: dlopen man page contradicts ld.so(8)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Justin Pryzby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reassign 473458 libc6,manpages thanks On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 08:15:43PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Justin Pryzby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: user [EMAIL PROTECTED] usertag 473458 debian-specific thanks On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 06:52:12PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk wrote: Justin Pryzby wrote: reassign 473458 libc6 found 473458 2.7-9 thanks On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:48:46PM +0300, ygrek wrote: But I think it's sufficiently accurate to say that the /lib heirarchy is searched before that of /usr/lib, so ld.so.8 is wrong, thus reassigning. This correct. NOTE: this bad text is in a Debian downstream patch. The usptream page is correct on this point (and has been forever, AFAICS) The ld.so manpage seems to be introduced (not patched) by Debian's diff. Where does the ld.so.8 page used by the rest of the world come from? Does redhat or someone else maintain another page (separate from both glibc upstream and Debian). It's in my set; ld.so.8 is one of the few section 8 pages in upstream man-pages. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know the history behind the libc6 package vs. manpages package inclusion of ld.so.8. It seems to me that manpages is the way to go. I note these differences: . /etc/ld.so.nohwcap; this might be debian-specific, eg. for multi-arch. . The entirely of sections BUGS, NOTES, AUTHORS, COLOPHON; . the libc6 page suffers from bug#365112, fixed in manpages; . man-pages has a more complete and correct description of the search order (This is the initial bug report); . man-pages has better hyphenation escaping; . man-pages fixes typo LD_(DEBUG|PROFILE)_OUTPUT . includes LD_*: SHOW_AUXV, HWCAP_MASK, ORIGIN_PATH, DYNAMIC_WEAK . includes libc5-specific LD_*: KEEPDIR, ARGV0 Suggested fixes to the man-pages content to make it better than the libc6 content in every way: s/indirectly through/indirectly by/ Done. s/resolval/resolution/ Done. s/linked with/ the/ Done * 2. s/set to non/set to a non/ (multiple times) Done * 4. s/Do not update ... and/Update neither .../ I think that text is okay as is. Instead of various places, say in the following order. Done. Include content regarding: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL: (with fix: s/multiple version is/multiple versions are/) $PLATFORM: (or uncomment this) (with fix: s/specifcation/specification/) Can you send me the source of the Debian page? I think glibc should drop ld.so.8. I'm inclined to agree, but will want to review the Debian page more closely first. Cheers, Michael The manpages copy seems to be more easily made to be the best of the two, and gets wider visibility so can be reasonably expected to remain so. Any debian-specific linker changes (perhaps including ld.so.conf.d?) can get included in the debian diff to man-pages. That seems a preferable situation to including an separately-maintained and undiffably-different manpage in libc6, which includes only very few manpages (and only for normal executables and the configuration file gai.conf). -- Michael Kerrisk Maintainer of the Linux man-pages project http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Want to report a man-pages bug? Look here: http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/reporting_bugs.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#473458: manpages-dev: dlopen man page contradicts ld.so(8)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:34:47PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk wrote: Can you send me the source of the Debian page? I just sent it in a separate message. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
