Re: help needed on installing Debian 4.0 on A180C
On 17-jul-2007, at 19:08, Grant Grundler wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 01:04:38AM +0200, Angelo Machils wrote: On 16-jul-2007, at 20:24, Grant Grundler wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:44:49AM +0200, Angelo Machils wrote: ... I'm sorry to say so, but apparently it *is* possible. uname -r gives me a 2.4.x kernel as response. I did do an install of 3.0r4 and *then* a dist-upgrade to 4.0rx, perhaps that is the reason. It is. AFAICT, parisc will not replace the kernel in any sort of upgrade. You have to modify palo.conf by hand to point at the new kernel and run palo manually. A okay, I understand :) Well, the fact that I have to modify the file. But that would mean that there should already be a new kernel somewhere on the /boot partition?! Which is just not (yet) included in the conf file? yes, there should be - assuming /boot was created and mounted properly. If not, hunt for the right linux-image (32-bit UP) and install it. The /boot has been created and is mounted, but I thought I made it 100mb and it's in fact 42mb, so I guess it's too small, because there is no 2.6.xx kernel :( BTW, for now, do not use 2.6.18 SMP kernels. I believe fixes went into 2.6.22 that help make parisc SMP stable again. Would SMP kernels be even installed on a A180C, which is not a multi-processing box?! probably not. But this is going to a mailing list...warning is for others too. Makes sense :) My sources.list now is: debian1:/etc/apt# more sources.list deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official hppa DVD Binary-3 20070407- 19:19]/ unstable contrib main Ok. I just find it odd that unstable is used for etch DVD builds. Normally I would expect to see stable or testing (for prerelease) there. hth, grant I can't answer that one, I jsut state was is said in the sources.list. I also tried to add 2 SCSI cards, a Adaptec 29160 and a Compaq (Adapted 3960D) with a Seagate 18Gb Atlas V (wide) drive, but here I see the same as with the IDE/SATA controler, the card is seen but not the drive :( I was hoping I could use this drive since it's newer, and wide drives are more available to me than the standard drives inside the box. Any ideas? With kind regards, Angelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help needed on installing Debian 4.0 on A180C
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 11:24:37PM +0200, Angelo Machils wrote: yes, there should be - assuming /boot was created and mounted properly. If not, hunt for the right linux-image (32-bit UP) and install it. The /boot has been created and is mounted, but I thought I made it 100mb and it's in fact 42mb, so I guess it's too small, because there is no 2.6.xx kernel :( 42mb should be fine for more than a few kernels and initrd.img files. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6421323 Jun 25 19:35 vmlinux-2.6.21-2-parisc64-smp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5521413 Jul 3 10:22 initrd.img-2.6.21-2-parisc64-smp so that's ~12MB. And you can get 3 sets on your /boot. 32-bit UP kernel might be smaller. I also tried to add 2 SCSI cards, a Adaptec 29160 and a Compaq (Adapted 3960D) with a Seagate 18Gb Atlas V (wide) drive, but here I see the same as with the IDE/SATA controler, the card is seen but not the drive :( I was hoping I could use this drive since it's newer, and wide drives are more available to me than the standard drives inside the box. Any ideas? I don't think any of the Adaptec drivers have been tested on parisc-linux. If the driver offers some debug options, it would be interesting to see the output of modprobe in case the problem is something obvious. If you are just looking for something that just works, either the LSI u320 (53c1030) or slightly older u160 (53c1010) controllers do work. cheers, grant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help needed on installing Debian 4.0 on A180C
Grant == Grant Grundler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Grant If you are just looking for something that just works, either Grant the LSI u320 (53c1030) or slightly older u160 (53c1010) Grant controllers do work. An important nit is that the A180 firmware only supports booting from the built-in Lasi SCSI. Most other PA-RISC systems support booting from LSI 53c8xx PCI adapters (never tried 53c1010). I use a drive hooked up to the lasi700 controller for palo. Debian is installed on a drive hanging off an LSI 53c895 controller. -- Martin K. Petersen http://mkp.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help needed on installing Debian 4.0 on A180C
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 01:04:38AM +0200, Angelo Machils wrote: On 16-jul-2007, at 20:24, Grant Grundler wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:44:49AM +0200, Angelo Machils wrote: ... I'm sorry to say so, but apparently it *is* possible. uname -r gives me a 2.4.x kernel as response. I did do an install of 3.0r4 and *then* a dist-upgrade to 4.0rx, perhaps that is the reason. It is. AFAICT, parisc will not replace the kernel in any sort of upgrade. You have to modify palo.conf by hand to point at the new kernel and run palo manually. A okay, I understand :) Well, the fact that I have to modify the file. But that would mean that there should already be a new kernel somewhere on the /boot partition?! Which is just not (yet) included in the conf file? yes, there should be - assuming /boot was created and mounted properly. If not, hunt for the right linux-image (32-bit UP) and install it. BTW, for now, do not use 2.6.18 SMP kernels. I believe fixes went into 2.6.22 that help make parisc SMP stable again. Would SMP kernels be even installed on a A180C, which is not a multi-processing box?! probably not. But this is going to a mailing list...warning is for others too. My sources.list now is: debian1:/etc/apt# more sources.list deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official hppa DVD Binary-3 20070407- 19:19]/ unstable contrib main Ok. I just find it odd that unstable is used for etch DVD builds. Normally I would expect to see stable or testing (for prerelease) there. hth, grant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help needed on installing Debian 4.0 on A180C
On 7/14/07, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 14 July 2007 05:21, Grant Grundler wrote: I already edited the sources file (I have experience with Ubuntu) and tried it with the 3 DVD's and it seems to go okay and seems complete (after 3 or 4 tries) but what I find strange is that the kernel is still a 2.4 one while I expected a 2.6. hrm...I was expecting 2.6 as well. Not sure what's up with that. Huh? If you are installing Etch, there is *no way* that you still have a 2.4 kernel. 2.4 kernels were completely removed from both Debian in general and from the installer before Etch was released. Hello, I'm sorry to say so, but apparently it *is* possible. uname -r gives me a 2.4.x kernel as response. I did do an install of 3.0r4 and *then* a dist-upgrade to 4.0rx, perhaps that is the reason. Sadly I didn't turn on the machine this morning otherwise I could have logged into it from here. Later I will post the sources.list, but it should be okay, since I remarked all lines before I did a sudo apt-cdrom add for all 3 the DVD's for 4.0 and then performed a dist-upgrade. With kind regards, Angelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help needed on installing Debian 4.0 on A180C
On 16-jul-2007, at 18:31, Frans Pop wrote: On Monday 16 July 2007 08:44, Angelo Machils wrote: I'm sorry to say so, but apparently it *is* possible. uname -r gives me a 2.4.x kernel as response. I did do an install of 3.0r4 and *then* a dist-upgrade to 4.0rx, perhaps that is the reason. The title of your mail says help needed _installing_ Debian 4.0, not help needed _upgrading to_ Debian 4.0. That is a pretty fundamental difference and you put people trying to help you completely on the wrong foot by mixing up these terms. Also, it is not really advisable to try *upgrading* from Debian to Ubuntu or vice versa. They are completely separate distributions, and some differences can cause problems. It may be possible, but mixing Debian and Ubuntu in any way is not guaranteed to work and you are basically on your own to solve any resulting issues. If you are upgrading from Debian Sarge to Debian Etch, I suggest you read the release notes for Etch [1]. Cheers, FJP [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/hppa/release-notes/ Hello, No disrespect intended, but my original mail was pretty clear about wanting to install 4.0 but having problems with it, and then I wrote that an install of 3.0 would work, so someone on this list suggested to do that first and then a dist-upgrade. So perhaps reading my original mail would clarify it for you?! Besides that, I never suggested I did an update from Debian to Ubuntu (as far as I know, there is no Ubuntu for HPPA), I just stated that I had some experience with Ubuntu and also asked if there was a sources.list builder for HPPA Debian like there is for (i386/x64/PPC) Ubuntu. With kind regards, Angelo Machils -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help needed on installing Debian 4.0 on A180C
On 7/12/07, Grant Grundler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 12:51:03AM +0200, Angelo Machils wrote: Hello, I just got 3 working A180C's from work which weren't used anymore and I wanted to install Linux on them. But I'm having some problems installing 4.0r0 from DVD. After booting properly and going through the language and country settings the system looks for a CD-ROM drive and then it just stops. No errors message what-so-ever. I suspect an HPMC (High Priority Machine Check) when some driver gets loaded and it pokes around where it shouldn't. I'm not sure how to avoid this offhand but expect some expert mode would allow one to mount the DVD (it's SCSI I assume) from shell prompt. But isn't the DVD already mounted, since it booted from this same disc and the install programm already started from this?!?! Installing from the 3.0r4 DVD I had around seems to go without problems. Yeah, that's fine. Just apt-get dist-upgrade after appropriately editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file. Can you point me to the correct contents or an example sources file? I already edited the sources file (I have experience with Ubuntu) and tried it with the 3 DVD's and it seems to go okay and seems complete (after 3 or 4 tries) but what I find strange is that the kernel is still a 2.4 one while I expected a 2.6. I'm using a HP external SCSI DVD-ROM drive and using a HP serial console connected to the system. Another question, I have a PCI IDE/SATA controller card lying around which I tried in one A180C, the card is seen by the box (as RAID) but not the drive connected to it. Is this at all possible and/or should I use a SATA drive instead of the IDE I tried this with? It can't be used at the boot device and none of the IDE/SATA controller drivers are tested on parisc. It would be interesting to know which controller it is you have and whether it works - but only if you have time to fool around with something that might not work at all. Hmmm, that's too bad it can't be a boot device, this was the reason I wanted to get this IDE/SATA card working, since I have only one 4Gb. SCSI drive in each of the 3 systems and they are pretty old by now (and used pretty intensive) and I can't find spares. But if it helps the HPPA linux project I'm willing to spend some time on it :) Is it possible to put a PCI graphics card and perhaps a PCI USB card in the systems and use them as a graphical console instead of the text-oriented seriel console? Perhaps even to install X?? :) With kind regards, Angelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help needed on installing Debian 4.0 on A180C
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 09:25:32AM +0200, Angelo Machils wrote: I suspect an HPMC (High Priority Machine Check) when some driver gets loaded and it pokes around where it shouldn't. I'm not sure how to avoid this offhand but expect some expert mode would allow one to mount the DVD (it's SCSI I assume) from shell prompt. But isn't the DVD already mounted, since it booted from this same disc and the install programm already started from this?!?! No. The BIOS (PDC) was able to read the boot loader, kernel, and ramdisk from the DVD to get things started. The debian installer now needs to mount the DVD in order to load more packages and ultimately install them. Yeah, that's fine. Just apt-get dist-upgrade after appropriately editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file. Can you point me to the correct contents or an example sources file? correct is relative to geography and which release you want to run. Most of my boxen have: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib I already edited the sources file (I have experience with Ubuntu) and tried it with the 3 DVD's and it seems to go okay and seems complete (after 3 or 4 tries) but what I find strange is that the kernel is still a 2.4 one while I expected a 2.6. hrm...I was expecting 2.6 as well. Not sure what's up with that. Hmmm, that's too bad it can't be a boot device, this was the reason I wanted to get this IDE/SATA card working, since I have only one 4Gb. SCSI drive in each of the 3 systems and they are pretty old by now (and used pretty intensive) and I can't find spares. But if it helps the HPPA linux project I'm willing to spend some time on it :) It would help linux in general since parisc typically exposes driver bugs. (Write posting and DMA API violations typically) Is it possible to put a PCI graphics card and perhaps a PCI USB card in the systems and use them as a graphical console instead of the text-oriented seriel console? Perhaps even to install X?? :) A180 doesn't support gfx console. PA-RISC workstations support gfx consoles. You can install a gfx card and once the system is up, run X11 on it. But only in 8-bit color if using a HP gfx card. See the FAQ on www.parisc-linux.org for more general info on PCI gfx cards. cheers, grant With kind regards, Angelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help needed on installing Debian 4.0 on A180C
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 12:51:03AM +0200, Angelo Machils wrote: Hello, I just got 3 working A180C's from work which weren't used anymore and I wanted to install Linux on them. But I'm having some problems installing 4.0r0 from DVD. After booting properly and going through the language and country settings the system looks for a CD-ROM drive and then it just stops. No errors message what-so-ever. I suspect an HPMC (High Priority Machine Check) when some driver gets loaded and it pokes around where it shouldn't. I'm not sure how to avoid this offhand but expect some expert mode would allow one to mount the DVD (it's SCSI I assume) from shell prompt. Installing from the 3.0r4 DVD I had around seems to go without problems. Yeah, that's fine. Just apt-get dist-upgrade after appropriately editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file. I'm using a HP external SCSI DVD-ROM drive and using a HP serial console connected to the system. Another question, I have a PCI IDE/SATA controller card lying around which I tried in one A180C, the card is seen by the box (as RAID) but not the drive connected to it. Is this at all possible and/or should I use a SATA drive instead of the IDE I tried this with? It can't be used at the boot device and none of the IDE/SATA controller drivers are tested on parisc. It would be interesting to know which controller it is you have and whether it works - but only if you have time to fool around with something that might not work at all. hth, grant Thanks in advance for your help/tips! With kind regards, Angelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
