Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Chris Evans

I'm hardly an ISP but I do currently run a very low volume Apache service serving 
mostly plain 
HTTP from one domain and the main reason I run my own small server is that I have run 
a few 
small but extremely publicly useful Email lists for years now and didn't like to hand 
them to 
yahoogroups.

I think I need to move my server to my house and use broadband to connect it: 
bandwidth should 
be fine.  I'm thinking of going for BT business500+ to do the necessary.  

Main reason for move is to have easier control of the machine and, above all, to have 
IPTABLES 
control of attacks and antiviral scanning (particularly in the light of the effects of 
the recent spate 
of worms working through M$ s'ware).

I'm looking for anyone who's used a BT (I don't seem to have an alternative where I 
live, certainly 
NTL: and telewest don't cover) broadband connection with a debian box as firewall and 
NAT who 
might give me some advice for fee.

Very best all: this is an excellent list for a debian supporting amateur to lurk on!

Chris

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Re: trouble ticket system

2001-12-09 Thread Marc Haber

On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:56:37 +0100, Christian Kurz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 06/12/01, Marc Haber wrote:
 webrt is - for example - completely missing a decently controllable
 e-mail interface. Basically every interaction needs to be done via the

Even in the new version webrt2, which is currently packaged
(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=114116repeatmerged=yes)?
And I think Jesse, the author would be interested, to hear about such
feature request if they are really still missing and not only just
undocumented.

I didn't have time to look into webrt2. However, migration from webrt
to webrt2 seems to be hard since bug 114116 mentions that there is no
clean way to upgrade the database. Which doesn't exactly surprise me.

 It is also dangerous. A request comes in. Some supporter writes a
 snappy comment, Cc:'s sales with the comment. Sales replies back
 (probably fully quoting the snappy message), and webrt happily sends
 out that e-mail to the original requestor.

As far as I know this issue was addressed in webrt2 and the handling of
comments and replies was changed. Since I'm not working in an IT
department anymore, I'm not able to check webrt2.

You could check out webrt2 as a freelancer and then make money
consulting about it.

Greetings
Marc

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Re: Debian GNU/Linux as email DNS server

2001-12-09 Thread Marc Haber

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:47:54 +1100, Donovan Baarda
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When in doubt, I usually pick the smallest download. This is mainly because
I live on the end of a slow link, but also because I'm a KISS, anti-bloat
kinda guy. qpopper is about six times the size of the other popd's, how much
extra can a popd have?

It can have support for virtual stuff, authentication against
different database systems (MySQL, LDAP and RADIUS come to mind here),
APOP, SSL...

Greetings
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how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Patrick Hsieh

Hello,
I am running Postfix with home_mailbox=Maildir/, which means the
maildrop program will drop mail into user's home director as Maildir
format. But some of the users would like to use their mbox as unix
traditional mbox format. Is it possible to let user customize their own
mbox format as unix mbox? How? 

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Re: how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Jeremy Lunn

On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 08:03:13PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
 I am running Postfix with home_mailbox=Maildir/, which means the
 maildrop program will drop mail into user's home director as Maildir
 format. But some of the users would like to use their mbox as unix
 traditional mbox format. Is it possible to let user customize their own
 mbox format as unix mbox? How? 

Use an LDA like procmail, configure procmail to deliver mail to
~/Maildir/ but if the user doesn't want that they could put
in their procmailrc something like:
DEFAULT=$HOME/mbox
or even if you don't mind them storing their mail under /var (some
programs might need this path for mbox... that would be the only reason
they'd want it to... compatibility I take it... if not make them use
Maildir.

DEFAULT=/var/spool/mail/mbox

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Re: Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Gavin Hamill

 I'm looking for anyone who's used a BT (I don't seem to have an alternative where I 
live, certainly 
 NTL: and telewest don't cover) broadband connection with a debian box as firewall 
and NAT who 
 might give me some advice for fee.

It's a shame that BT is your only option. IMO ntl: provide a much
classier service :(

Plus take into account that the /entire/ ADSL backbone died a couple of
times recently taking out all ADSL connections (home and business) due
to the centralised nature of BT's network :(

You don't need the Business service if you're going to be running a
Linux box - there is working support for the USB modem that BT provide
with the home service :)

It's all a PPPoE connection, so as long as the box is running, you
should be able to sustain a connection for as long as BT's ADSL backbone
is up =)

Of course it would be a wise idea to reduce the expire time on the
domain names you'll be hosting so that if your IP address does change,
your DNS updates can quickly propogate =)

Regards,

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Re: Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Andrew Savory

On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Chris Evans wrote:

 I'm looking for anyone who's used a BT (I don't seem to have an
 alternative where I live, certainly NTL: and telewest don't cover)
 broadband connection with a debian box as firewall and NAT who might
 give me some advice for fee.

BT - yup
broadband - yup (the 1000PLUS service)
Debian box - yup
firewall - yup
NAT - yup

Guess that'd be me! Ask away, I'll try and answer!


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Re: how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Patrick Hsieh

Thanks for your quick reply.
My questions is:
I am currently running postfix+Maildir+courier-imap. Well, I can use
procmail to let user customize their mbox location. But it seems
courier-imap support Maildir only, which means mbox guys can't use imap
service correctly.  I am planing to install uw-imap and let it binding
other port, say 14300, to provide unix mbox format imap service. But it
is non-sense.

Idea?

 On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 08:03:13PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
  I am running Postfix with home_mailbox=Maildir/, which means the
  maildrop program will drop mail into user's home director as Maildir
  format. But some of the users would like to use their mbox as unix
  traditional mbox format. Is it possible to let user customize their own
  mbox format as unix mbox? How? 
 
 Use an LDA like procmail, configure procmail to deliver mail to
 ~/Maildir/ but if the user doesn't want that they could put
 in their procmailrc something like:
 DEFAULT=$HOME/mbox
 or even if you don't mind them storing their mail under /var (some
 programs might need this path for mbox... that would be the only reason
 they'd want it to... compatibility I take it... if not make them use
 Maildir.
 
 DEFAULT=/var/spool/mail/mbox
 
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Re: Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Jeremy Lunn

On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 12:35:32PM +, Gavin Hamill wrote:
 Of course it would be a wise idea to reduce the expire time on the
 domain names you'll be hosting so that if your IP address does change,
 your DNS updates can quickly propogate =)

Not a good idea to host important stuff on a dynamic IP address.  In
particular mail as it could end up in someone else's hands.

Never the less I have an A record for my cable gateway so that I can
access my LAN remotely.

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Re: how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Patrick Hsieh

Well, 
They have various kinds of reasons. Some are reasonable, some not.
If they just insisit on mbox format and ask for imap service with mbox
support. Is there any compatible method to take?

Regards,

 On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 09:03:53PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
  courier-imap support Maildir only, which means mbox guys can't use imap
  service correctly.  I am planing to install uw-imap and let it binding
 
 Is there a reason why they need mbox?
 
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Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)

2001-12-09 Thread Bob Billson

On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 01:16:03PM +1100, Jason Lim wrote:
 I know about that option...
 but it doesn't CHMOD... it only chowns.

Right.  And look at /etc/cron.daily/apache.  You'll see where 
owner/permissions are set depending on its value, as Pete said.  Edit to
suit your situation.

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Re: Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Andrew Savory

On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Jeremy Lunn wrote:

 Not a good idea to host important stuff on a dynamic IP address.  In
 particular mail as it could end up in someone else's hands.

Indeed. If you go for the BT business ADSL offering, it's worth paying
extra for the fixed IP addresses option.


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Re: trouble ticket system

2001-12-09 Thread Christian Kurz

On 09/12/01, Marc Haber wrote:
 On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:56:37 +0100, Christian Kurz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 On 06/12/01, Marc Haber wrote:
  webrt is - for example - completely missing a decently controllable
  e-mail interface. Basically every interaction needs to be done via the

 Even in the new version webrt2, which is currently packaged
 (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=114116repeatmerged=yes)?
 And I think Jesse, the author would be interested, to hear about such
 feature request if they are really still missing and not only just
 undocumented.

 I didn't have time to look into webrt2. However, migration from webrt
 to webrt2 seems to be hard since bug 114116 mentions that there is no
 clean way to upgrade the database. Which doesn't exactly surprise me.

Hm, I can remember that Jesse talked about providing an upgrade path via
script to import data from the 1.x release into a 2.x webrt. And I just
looked at http://fsck.com/rtfm/article.html?id=2#44 which explains this
upgrade and the download location of the import script.

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Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)

2001-12-09 Thread Jason Lim

Yeap, I already replied on that and posted the correct lines to change.

All I was saying was that since this was a recent change in the latest
apache builds, I was suggesting that this could be an optional feature
maybe made in /etc/apache/cron.conf, to allow people to stay with the
original previous way of doing things. I don't think
/etc/cron.daily/apache is marked as a conf file, so the next time apache
is updated/upgraded, the changes will be overwritten and yet again need to
be manually changed. See the problem?


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Subject: Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)


 On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 01:16:03PM +1100, Jason Lim wrote:
  I know about that option...
  but it doesn't CHMOD... it only chowns.

 Right.  And look at /etc/cron.daily/apache.  You'll see where
 owner/permissions are set depending on its value, as Pete said.  Edit to
 suit your situation.

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Re: Debian GNU/Linux as email DNS server

2001-12-09 Thread Donovan Baarda

On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 11:47:54PM +1100, Donovan Baarda wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 11:09:22AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
  On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:04:01 +1100 (EST), Donovan Baarda
[...]
  I like Courier because it is one very flexible package and it does all
  variants that might be needed: pop/imap in both ssl and non-ssl. There
  is even an MTA which I have never looked at, though.
 
 Thanks for the heads up. It looks like courier is the go.

Actualy, it seems courier-imap and courier-pop pull in a few extra support
packages including some sort of authentication daemon and it's own inet
daemon. I haven't set it all up yet, but I feel a bit nervous about
installing fragments of a larger application that replicate functionality of
packages I already have installed. I'm particularly disturbed by extra
daemons.

I would have abandoned courier when I discovered this, except that
courier+support packages still works out smaller than
(uw-imapd|ipopd)-ssl+support packages. I might still abandon it though if
the setup looks too complex/overkill for my application.

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Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)

2001-12-09 Thread Bob Billson

On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:28:00AM +1100, Jason Lim wrote:
 Yeap, I already replied on that and posted the correct lines to change.

Sorry, I was having a mental moment. :)

 apache builds, I was suggesting that this could be an optional feature
 maybe made in /etc/apache/cron.conf,

I agree.  Why not file a wishlist bug report against apache?

 /etc/cron.daily/apache is marked as a conf file, so the next time apache
 is updated/upgraded, the changes will be overwritten and yet again need to
 be manually changed. See the problem?

Yup and I agree.  I've had my changes overwritten as well.  Add that to the
wishlist bug report and see if the package maintainer agrees.

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Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)

2001-12-09 Thread Craig Sanders

On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 08:19:52PM -0500, Bob Billson wrote:
  apache builds, I was suggesting that this could be an optional
  feature maybe made in /etc/apache/cron.conf,

 I agree.  Why not file a wishlist bug report against apache?

  /etc/cron.daily/apache is marked as a conf file, so the next time
  apache is updated/upgraded, the changes will be overwritten and yet
  again need to be manually changed. See the problem?

 Yup and I agree.  I've had my changes overwritten as well.  Add that
 to the wishlist bug report and see if the package maintainer agrees.

huh?

/etc/cron.daily is a conffile and will not be overwritten on upgrade
without dpkg asking you for permission.

$ cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.conffiles
/etc/init.d/apache
/etc/cron.daily/apache


/etc/apache/cron.conf isn't a conffile. it's copied from
/usr/share/doc/apache/examples/cron.conf *only* if it doesn't already
exist. i don't know why he did it like that. i would have just made
it a conffile 

btw, i wrote the /etc/apache/cron.conf thing and edited the apache
cron.daily script to use it a few years ago and submitted it as a patch.
its purpose was to provide a way for the sysadmin to specify when the
log files should be rotated as there wasn't really any sensible default.
small sites might like weekly, but large sites probably want daily.

i think netgod added the CHOWN bit himself. it wouldn't be hard at all
to add another variable for permissions, defaulting to the current 640.

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Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Chris Evans
I'm hardly an ISP but I do currently run a very low volume Apache service 
serving mostly plain 
HTTP from one domain and the main reason I run my own small server is that I 
have run a few 
small but extremely publicly useful Email lists for years now and didn't like 
to hand them to 
yahoogroups.

I think I need to move my server to my house and use broadband to connect it: 
bandwidth should 
be fine.  I'm thinking of going for BT business500+ to do the necessary.  

Main reason for move is to have easier control of the machine and, above all, 
to have IPTABLES 
control of attacks and antiviral scanning (particularly in the light of the 
effects of the recent spate 
of worms working through M$ s'ware).

I'm looking for anyone who's used a BT (I don't seem to have an alternative 
where I live, certainly 
NTL: and telewest don't cover) broadband connection with a debian box as 
firewall and NAT who 
might give me some advice for fee.

Very best all: this is an excellent list for a debian supporting amateur to 
lurk on!

Chris

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Re: trouble ticket system

2001-12-09 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:56:37 +0100, Christian Kurz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 06/12/01, Marc Haber wrote:
 webrt is - for example - completely missing a decently controllable
 e-mail interface. Basically every interaction needs to be done via the

Even in the new version webrt2, which is currently packaged
(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=114116repeatmerged=yes)?
And I think Jesse, the author would be interested, to hear about such
feature request if they are really still missing and not only just
undocumented.

I didn't have time to look into webrt2. However, migration from webrt
to webrt2 seems to be hard since bug 114116 mentions that there is no
clean way to upgrade the database. Which doesn't exactly surprise me.

 It is also dangerous. A request comes in. Some supporter writes a
 snappy comment, Cc:'s sales with the comment. Sales replies back
 (probably fully quoting the snappy message), and webrt happily sends
 out that e-mail to the original requestor.

As far as I know this issue was addressed in webrt2 and the handling of
comments and replies was changed. Since I'm not working in an IT
department anymore, I'm not able to check webrt2.

You could check out webrt2 as a freelancer and then make money
consulting about it.

Greetings
Marc

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Re: Debian GNU/Linux as email DNS server

2001-12-09 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:47:54 +1100, Donovan Baarda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When in doubt, I usually pick the smallest download. This is mainly because
I live on the end of a slow link, but also because I'm a KISS, anti-bloat
kinda guy. qpopper is about six times the size of the other popd's, how much
extra can a popd have?

It can have support for virtual stuff, authentication against
different database systems (MySQL, LDAP and RADIUS come to mind here),
APOP, SSL...

Greetings
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how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Patrick Hsieh
Hello,
I am running Postfix with home_mailbox=Maildir/, which means the
maildrop program will drop mail into user's home director as Maildir
format. But some of the users would like to use their mbox as unix
traditional mbox format. Is it possible to let user customize their own
mbox format as unix mbox? How? 

Regards,
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Re: how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Jeremy Lunn
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 08:03:13PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
 I am running Postfix with home_mailbox=Maildir/, which means the
 maildrop program will drop mail into user's home director as Maildir
 format. But some of the users would like to use their mbox as unix
 traditional mbox format. Is it possible to let user customize their own
 mbox format as unix mbox? How? 

Use an LDA like procmail, configure procmail to deliver mail to
~/Maildir/ but if the user doesn't want that they could put
in their procmailrc something like:
DEFAULT=$HOME/mbox
or even if you don't mind them storing their mail under /var (some
programs might need this path for mbox... that would be the only reason
they'd want it to... compatibility I take it... if not make them use
Maildir.

DEFAULT=/var/spool/mail/mbox

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Re: Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Gavin Hamill
 I'm looking for anyone who's used a BT (I don't seem to have an alternative 
 where I live, certainly 
 NTL: and telewest don't cover) broadband connection with a debian box as 
 firewall and NAT who 
 might give me some advice for fee.

It's a shame that BT is your only option. IMO ntl: provide a much
classier service :(

Plus take into account that the /entire/ ADSL backbone died a couple of
times recently taking out all ADSL connections (home and business) due
to the centralised nature of BT's network :(

You don't need the Business service if you're going to be running a
Linux box - there is working support for the USB modem that BT provide
with the home service :)

It's all a PPPoE connection, so as long as the box is running, you
should be able to sustain a connection for as long as BT's ADSL backbone
is up =)

Of course it would be a wise idea to reduce the expire time on the
domain names you'll be hosting so that if your IP address does change,
your DNS updates can quickly propogate =)

Regards,

Gavin.




Re: Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Andrew Savory
On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Chris Evans wrote:

 I'm looking for anyone who's used a BT (I don't seem to have an
 alternative where I live, certainly NTL: and telewest don't cover)
 broadband connection with a debian box as firewall and NAT who might
 give me some advice for fee.

BT - yup
broadband - yup (the 1000PLUS service)
Debian box - yup
firewall - yup
NAT - yup

Guess that'd be me! Ask away, I'll try and answer!


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Re: how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Patrick Hsieh
Thanks for your quick reply.
My questions is:
I am currently running postfix+Maildir+courier-imap. Well, I can use
procmail to let user customize their mbox location. But it seems
courier-imap support Maildir only, which means mbox guys can't use imap
service correctly.  I am planing to install uw-imap and let it binding
other port, say 14300, to provide unix mbox format imap service. But it
is non-sense.

Idea?

 On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 08:03:13PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
  I am running Postfix with home_mailbox=Maildir/, which means the
  maildrop program will drop mail into user's home director as Maildir
  format. But some of the users would like to use their mbox as unix
  traditional mbox format. Is it possible to let user customize their own
  mbox format as unix mbox? How? 
 
 Use an LDA like procmail, configure procmail to deliver mail to
 ~/Maildir/ but if the user doesn't want that they could put
 in their procmailrc something like:
 DEFAULT=$HOME/mbox
 or even if you don't mind them storing their mail under /var (some
 programs might need this path for mbox... that would be the only reason
 they'd want it to... compatibility I take it... if not make them use
 Maildir.
 
 DEFAULT=/var/spool/mail/mbox
 
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Re: Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Jeremy Lunn
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 12:35:32PM +, Gavin Hamill wrote:
 Of course it would be a wise idea to reduce the expire time on the
 domain names you'll be hosting so that if your IP address does change,
 your DNS updates can quickly propogate =)

Not a good idea to host important stuff on a dynamic IP address.  In
particular mail as it could end up in someone else's hands.

Never the less I have an A record for my cable gateway so that I can
access my LAN remotely.

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Re: how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Jeremy Lunn
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 09:03:53PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
 courier-imap support Maildir only, which means mbox guys can't use imap
 service correctly.  I am planing to install uw-imap and let it binding

Is there a reason why they need mbox?

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Re: how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Patrick Hsieh
Well, 
They have various kinds of reasons. Some are reasonable, some not.
If they just insisit on mbox format and ask for imap service with mbox
support. Is there any compatible method to take?

Regards,

 On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 09:03:53PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
  courier-imap support Maildir only, which means mbox guys can't use imap
  service correctly.  I am planing to install uw-imap and let it binding
 
 Is there a reason why they need mbox?
 
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Re: how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Patrick Hsieh

 They have various kinds of reasons. Some are reasonable, some not.
 If they just insisit on mbox format and ask for imap service with mbox
 support. Is there any compatible method to take?

What are the reasons?

It's not a worthwhile thing to change if it's not entirely necessary. You
have a good setup already, there should be no reason to change it if it is
providing good service.

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Re: how to customize mbox format in postfix?

2001-12-09 Thread Michael Wood
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 09:12:19PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
 Well, 
 They have various kinds of reasons. Some are reasonable, some
 not.  If they just insisit on mbox format and ask for imap
 service with mbox support. Is there any compatible method to
 take?

You could use perdition
(http://freshmeat.net/projects/perdition/) to do the following:

Run courier-imap and uw-imap on arbitrary ports (not 143.)  Run
perdition (an IMAP proxy) on port 143 and get it to forward
requests to the appropriate IMAP server depending on the
username.

 Regards,
 
  On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 09:03:53PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
   courier-imap support Maildir only, which means mbox guys
   can't use imap service correctly.  I am planing to install
   uw-imap and let it binding
  
  Is there a reason why they need mbox?

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Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)

2001-12-09 Thread Bob Billson
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 01:16:03PM +1100, Jason Lim wrote:
 I know about that option...
 but it doesn't CHMOD... it only chowns.

Right.  And look at /etc/cron.daily/apache.  You'll see where 
owner/permissions are set depending on its value, as Pete said.  Edit to
suit your situation.

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Re: Anyone with UK experience of broadband?

2001-12-09 Thread Andrew Savory
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Jeremy Lunn wrote:

 Not a good idea to host important stuff on a dynamic IP address.  In
 particular mail as it could end up in someone else's hands.

Indeed. If you go for the BT business ADSL offering, it's worth paying
extra for the fixed IP addresses option.


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Re: trouble ticket system

2001-12-09 Thread Christian Kurz
On 09/12/01, Marc Haber wrote:
 On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:56:37 +0100, Christian Kurz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 On 06/12/01, Marc Haber wrote:
  webrt is - for example - completely missing a decently controllable
  e-mail interface. Basically every interaction needs to be done via the

 Even in the new version webrt2, which is currently packaged
 (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=114116repeatmerged=yes)?
 And I think Jesse, the author would be interested, to hear about such
 feature request if they are really still missing and not only just
 undocumented.

 I didn't have time to look into webrt2. However, migration from webrt
 to webrt2 seems to be hard since bug 114116 mentions that there is no
 clean way to upgrade the database. Which doesn't exactly surprise me.

Hm, I can remember that Jesse talked about providing an upgrade path via
script to import data from the 1.x release into a 2.x webrt. And I just
looked at http://fsck.com/rtfm/article.html?id=2#44 which explains this
upgrade and the download location of the import script.

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Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)

2001-12-09 Thread Jason Lim
Yeap, I already replied on that and posted the correct lines to change.

All I was saying was that since this was a recent change in the latest
apache builds, I was suggesting that this could be an optional feature
maybe made in /etc/apache/cron.conf, to allow people to stay with the
original previous way of doing things. I don't think
/etc/cron.daily/apache is marked as a conf file, so the next time apache
is updated/upgraded, the changes will be overwritten and yet again need to
be manually changed. See the problem?


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Subject: Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)


 On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 01:16:03PM +1100, Jason Lim wrote:
  I know about that option...
  but it doesn't CHMOD... it only chowns.

 Right.  And look at /etc/cron.daily/apache.  You'll see where
 owner/permissions are set depending on its value, as Pete said.  Edit to
 suit your situation.

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Re: Debian GNU/Linux as email DNS server

2001-12-09 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 11:47:54PM +1100, Donovan Baarda wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 11:09:22AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
  On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:04:01 +1100 (EST), Donovan Baarda
[...]
  I like Courier because it is one very flexible package and it does all
  variants that might be needed: pop/imap in both ssl and non-ssl. There
  is even an MTA which I have never looked at, though.
 
 Thanks for the heads up. It looks like courier is the go.

Actualy, it seems courier-imap and courier-pop pull in a few extra support
packages including some sort of authentication daemon and it's own inet
daemon. I haven't set it all up yet, but I feel a bit nervous about
installing fragments of a larger application that replicate functionality of
packages I already have installed. I'm particularly disturbed by extra
daemons.

I would have abandoned courier when I discovered this, except that
courier+support packages still works out smaller than
(uw-imapd|ipopd)-ssl+support packages. I might still abandon it though if
the setup looks too complex/overkill for my application.

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Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)

2001-12-09 Thread Bob Billson
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:28:00AM +1100, Jason Lim wrote:
 Yeap, I already replied on that and posted the correct lines to change.

Sorry, I was having a mental moment. :)

 apache builds, I was suggesting that this could be an optional feature
 maybe made in /etc/apache/cron.conf,

I agree.  Why not file a wishlist bug report against apache?

 /etc/cron.daily/apache is marked as a conf file, so the next time apache
 is updated/upgraded, the changes will be overwritten and yet again need to
 be manually changed. See the problem?

Yup and I agree.  I've had my changes overwritten as well.  Add that to the
wishlist bug report and see if the package maintainer agrees.

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Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)

2001-12-09 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 08:19:52PM -0500, Bob Billson wrote:
  apache builds, I was suggesting that this could be an optional
  feature maybe made in /etc/apache/cron.conf,

 I agree.  Why not file a wishlist bug report against apache?

  /etc/cron.daily/apache is marked as a conf file, so the next time
  apache is updated/upgraded, the changes will be overwritten and yet
  again need to be manually changed. See the problem?

 Yup and I agree.  I've had my changes overwritten as well.  Add that
 to the wishlist bug report and see if the package maintainer agrees.

huh?

/etc/cron.daily is a conffile and will not be overwritten on upgrade
without dpkg asking you for permission.

$ cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.conffiles
/etc/init.d/apache
/etc/cron.daily/apache


/etc/apache/cron.conf isn't a conffile. it's copied from
/usr/share/doc/apache/examples/cron.conf *only* if it doesn't already
exist. i don't know why he did it like that. i would have just made
it a conffile 

btw, i wrote the /etc/apache/cron.conf thing and edited the apache
cron.daily script to use it a few years ago and submitted it as a patch.
its purpose was to provide a way for the sysadmin to specify when the
log files should be rotated as there wasn't really any sensible default.
small sites might like weekly, but large sites probably want daily.

i think netgod added the CHOWN bit himself. it wouldn't be hard at all
to add another variable for permissions, defaulting to the current 640.

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Re: Strange apache behaviour? (solved)

2001-12-09 Thread Bob Billson
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 12:57:02PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
 /etc/cron.daily is a conffile and will not be overwritten on upgrade
 without dpkg asking you for permission.

hmm... Strange.  It happened twice on two different machines.  I considered
it a minor issue at the time.

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