Re: Weird stuff
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Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Newbie alert! Feel free to point me to the list archives if you can tell me how to find what I'm looking for. I've found the Pocket ISP setup for Redhat document, is there something similar for Debian available? I searched the list archives for things like first time, initial setup, and the like, and couldn't find one. I'm a very experienced Windows computer user (had a computer login of some sort since 1974 and owned MS Boxes of various flavours since 1984), consider myself a relative newbie with Debian Linux (although I've been using Debian for years and have set up a few Debian and OpenBSD boxes), and need to set up my own virtualhost with virtualmail. I've been co-managing a Debian box with virtual hosting for a number of years but want to get my own set up as my co-managers have made a bunch of changes and not told me about them (which has made my life much more difficult than it needs to be ;-). I'd really like to find a HOWTO for this. The ftp install let me tell it I wanted to set up an Internet server, but after all the setup, it isn't set up for shared virtual hosting the way I need - Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-520-290-5038 / fax 1-208-248-3124 - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMAP solution
Hi guys I need to know what a good IMAP solution would be for a fairly large network (200 users) that is compatible with exim. ..Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Did you mean to reply off-list? Please, let's take this back to the list. On 29 Jul 2002 at 12:35, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: Hi, I occasionally train people on this and the advice that will work for you depends on what exactly you are after and how you like to learn. If you enjoy reading as much as playing around the best advice I can give you is the following: -- Understand how DNS works. This is crucial for understanding most of the 'virtual' stuff that goes on. Easy to do as there's a good book (DNS and BIND by Albitz and Liu) but a disturbing number of people demonstrate a lack of clue in this regard (I won't name companies here). [grin] ... have the book, haven't perused it in detail. -- Once armed with the above, you need a basic understanding of SMTP, ftp, and http. Then pick the packages for each, and learn to make them do what you want. I use sendmail, proftpd and apache respectively. any comments on qmail or procmail vs sendmail welcome. I've heard Bad Things about sendmail's complexity but it _is_ the standard ... what do you use for MLM? mailman? If you know all this, you can just skip the pre-packaged installs and do an apt-get install sendmail proftpd apache (and possibly bind) and you'll be on your way. will I need sourcecode for apache to set up suEXEC options for virtual hosting in my own choice of directory tree (i.e. DocRoot in /www-data instead of the default /var/www)? There will be other equally valid answers that recommend some easy plug and chug solution, but if you follow the above advice you'll actually _start_ from the point where you understand what you are doing. Thanks. - Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-520-290-5038 / fax 1-208-248-3124 - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP solution
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:25, Z-Data wrote: I need to know what a good IMAP solution would be for a fairly large network (200 users) that is compatible with exim. Courier IMAP has been working well for me, it supports Maildir, which exim can deliver to. 200 users isn't particularly large. -- I do not get viruses because I do not use MS software. If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won't use my address in the From field. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On 29 Jul 2002 at 15:10, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote:
[This is exactly the kind of exchange I was trying to avoid, oh well]
IMHO as a newbie this is just the kind of exchange I was
hoping for (trolling for?) ;-)
EvB == Emile van Bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
EvB In short, you can only compare qmail and sendmail. Not only
EvB does the latter have a bad reputation for complexity, but for
EvB its amount of bugs and lack of security as well.
What you say aboout sendmail was true in the late 80's to mid-90s. Its
recent track record is much better. Do you know of any recent
vulnerabilities other than the monor ones mentioned at
http://www.sendmail.org/ ?
I see that the default MTA for OpenBSD is the OpenBSD port of
sendmail. That should reflect positively on its security,
although only in the OBSD flavour (OBSD still installs BIND 4
as the team considers 8 and 9 to be {broken,insecure}.
Sendmail is _very_ flexible but it is probably not good for the
inexperienced admin. If you are willing to read documentation and M4
doesn't scare you, it is a fairly safe bet. In my most humble opinion
one ought not be running an ISP of any viable size if one has trouble
getting sendmail to do what's needed.
Should anyone who won't RTFM (where F==FULL) be running an
ISP?
I will refrain from commenting on Qmail, other than saying that it
does work. But if I were to learn a new MTA, I'd take a good look at
postfix for the main reason that I like the postfix community much
better that the Qmail community.
What are your problems with qmail? What do you like about the
Postfix comm. that QMail lacks? Not trolling for flamewars
here, trying to decide myself which way to jump (where to
start out -- I'll switch if I have to but I'd rather start
with a program that comes with recommendations that have been
{justified,explained} from 1 user. Which is why I was
{trolling,hoping} for comments on MTAs, MLMs, etc.
I recommend anyone contemplating about sendmail for serious use to hang
out in comp.mail.sendmail for a while to see if they fit into the
profile that group is supportive of.
Sounds like you also have issues with the sendmail community?
Or is it just that sendmail still has holes?
EvB It may still be the standard MTA in certain commercial
EvB unixes, but IMHO the advantages offered by that (whatever
EvB they may be) won't outweigh the drawbacks for most people. [...]
Have you used both? (by which I mean did you get both to work for you
for a reasonable amount of time?).
I'd like to know this as well... BTW, a sysadmin (from another
[non-Debian] list) I trust says
XX A recurring comment in the mailing list moderators mailing
list is that djb ignores a number of standards. Which
aren't specified.
Anyone here have any insight into what djb's failure-to-hew-
to-standards might be?
He also said:
XX but so far Postfix has been very, very good to me.
He's running FreeBSD, FWIW.
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Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
ASF == Angus Scott-Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] ASF What are your problems with qmail? I know it works reasonably well but I have not used it personally myself for any amount of time and certainly not professionally. I did end up troubleshooting it at one point because it was bouncing mail in a rather unusual circumstance and was causing me embarrassment (I had recommended the guys running qmail). I tried reporting it as a bug, and asking their qmail consultant -- the answers were the same qmail kicks ass. Since I am negatively biased about it, and I have limited experience I will refrain from giving advice. (I may have a bug report somewhere, google if you wish). ASF What do you like about ASF the Postfix comm. that QMail lacks? Qmail by default wants to operate by DJB's rules and it tries to DJB-ize the remainder of your system. This much I know and dislike. I am not alone on this, a bit of googling should reveal lots of links. If I were to switch from sendmail it would be if I ran into a problem with performance -- I have not. In that case postfix looks good based on word of mouth from people I consider credible. At one point qmail's author had a rather disingenuous security nitpick about postfix, other than that it does not have a track record of glaring problems. [...] I recommend anyone contemplating about sendmail for serious use to hang out in comp.mail.sendmail for a while to see if they fit into the profile that group is supportive of. ASF Sounds like you also have issues with the sendmail community? ASF Or is it just that sendmail still has holes? Oh _I_ have no problem with the group. I occasionally contribute even. I do know that that group regularly gets complaints from people who don't feel they are helped on reasonable questions (more so than other groups I read), so I _suspect_ support through that community is problemmatic for some people. cheers, BM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
will I need sourcecode for apache to set up suEXEC options for virtual hosting in my own choice of directory tree (i.e. DocRoot in /www-data instead of the default /var/www)? Not needed. You can sometimes use sed. (I say sometimes because sometimes it works with the binary suexec.) Or I have used perl like: perl -pe 's/\/var\/www/\/\0\0\0\0\0\0\0/' suexec.save suexec Then chmod as appropriate. (I filed a bug about this suexec default.) Jeremy C. Reed echo 'G014AE824B0-07CC?/JJFFFI?D64CBD=3C427=;6HI2J' | tr /-_ :\ Sc-y./ | sed swxw`uname`w -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 03:35:14PM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: will I need sourcecode for apache to set up suEXEC options for virtual hosting in my own choice of directory tree (i.e. DocRoot in /www-data instead of the default /var/www)? Not needed. You can sometimes use sed. (I say sometimes because sometimes it works with the binary suexec.) Or I have used perl like: perl -pe 's/\/var\/www/\/\0\0\0\0\0\0\0/' suexec.save suexec there's a simpler way: ln -s /var/www /www-data or ln -s /www-data /var/www craig -- craig sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 05:16:33PM -0400, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: Qmail by default wants to operate by DJB's rules and it tries to DJB-ize the remainder of your system. This much I know and dislike. that's the major problem with qmail (indeed with all of djb's software). he is a good programmer, but he has some very peculiar notions about systems administration (programmers and sysadmins are completely different beasts). worse, his software basically forces you to adopt his peculiar notions, because (to summarise and paraphrase djb's atttitude) dbj's way is the One True Way that everyone MUST follow otherwise they are morons and idiots the second major problem with qmail is the license. the fact that it's not a free license sucks for ethical reasons, but it also sucks badly for practical reasons. qmail has basically stagnated for years. if you want a modern, secure mailer with good anti-spam capabilities that adheres to all relevant actual standards de-facto standards (not just those that djb hapens to like) you have to hear about, hunt for, and download a squillion patches and enhancements, apply, and compile, and hope that it all works. i.e. it's a reversion back to the bad old days (i.e. pre-linux) where free software was available for the various commercial unix clones but getting it running could sometimes be a huge PITA. alternatively, just run postfix. it does everything that qmail does and more, with a lot less hassle. craig ps: i used to use qmail. i used to use sendmail too. and smail before that. in fact, i've used pretty nearly every open source MTA available over the years, with several years of experience each with most of them (and dabbling/experimentation with the rest). keeping the mail running smoothly is and always has been a big part of my jobprobably always will be too. the only MTA i'll use these days is postfix. none of the others even begin to compare with it. -- craig sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
