Debian Backup Server

2002-11-30 Thread rizal

  Can anybody pls help me on how to have a full back up of a Mail Server
(Running on Debian and Exim) ... I want to have a full backup of the mail
Server on a different drive with all the users and directory permissions
the same with the original server.

Thanks

Rizal




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Re: Debian Backup Server

2002-11-30 Thread
I have 2 ideas:
You can use the same disk drive as the primary, and do a 'dd if=drive1
of=drive2' , that will make full backup

Or, the way i do on one of my servers, use rsync , i use it this way:
rsync -logptvr /etc /var /usr /home  /backup0/serv
(the last parameter is the directory where you mount the backup disk)


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   Can anybody pls help me on how to have a full back up of a Mail Server
 (Running on Debian and Exim) ... I want to have a full backup of the mail
 Server on a different drive with all the users and directory permissions
 the same with the original server.
 



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RE: Debian Backup Server

2002-11-30 Thread Domonkos Czinke
Hi,

If you want to backup your mailserver to another machine, you should use netcat, cat 
for eg.

cat /dev/hda1 | netcat -l -p 1234  do this on the mailserver
netcat ip of the mailserver 1234  /backup/backup.img  do this on the backup server

Cheers,
Domonkos Czinke




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  Can anybody pls help me on how to have a full back up of a Mail Server
(Running on Debian and Exim) ... I want to have a full backup of the mail
Server on a different drive with all the users and directory permissions
the same with the original server.

Thanks

Rizal




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Re: SCSI or IDE

2002-11-30 Thread Thomas Kirk
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 05:07:16PM +0100, Nicolas Bougues wrote:

 You should probably try to time the disk reads, not the buffer cache...
 
 hdparm -t

Yes the disk reads is a more realistic real world test :

/dev/sda5:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.23 seconds =104.07 MB/sec
guf:~# hdparm -t /dev/sda5

/dev/sda5:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  5.84 seconds = 10.96 MB/sec

The above result is from the Ultratrak Tx8 (TX8000 now) with 8 60 Gigs IBM
deskstar 7200 rpm in raid 5. Kind of slow if you ask me.


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Re: SCSI or IDE

2002-11-30 Thread Thomas Kirk
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:30:16AM +0100, Thomas Kirk wrote:

 Yes the disk reads is a more realistic real world test :
 
 /dev/sda5:
  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.23 seconds =104.07 MB/sec
 guf:~# hdparm -t /dev/sda5
 
 /dev/sda5:
  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  5.84 seconds = 10.96 MB/sec

The same test on a scsisetup much like the above just with scsidisk :

*:~# hdparm -T /dev/sdb5 

/dev/sdb5:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.95 seconds =134.74 MB/sec

/dev/sdb5:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  3.42 seconds = 18.71 MB/sec

When it comes to real world test my scsibased system is almost twice
as fast as the idebased one :)


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Re: SCSI or IDE

2002-11-30 Thread Bulent Murtezaoglu
 TH == Thomas Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
TH /dev/sdb5: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.95 seconds
TH =134.74 MB/sec

TH /dev/sdb5: Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.42 seconds =
TH 18.71 MB/sec

TH When it comes to real world test my scsibased system is almost
TH twice as fast as the idebased one :) [...]

Hmm, the IDE drive in my notebook beats that!

defter:~# hdparm -tT /dev/hda 

/dev/hda:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.55 seconds =232.73 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  3.29 seconds = 19.45 MB/sec

This is an IBM a30p, with a 5200? RPM 2.5 48 GIG drive.

So what are we concluding from this?  I choose to conclude nothing
of major significance.

cheers,

BM


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Re: SCSI or IDE

2002-11-30 Thread Jason Lim
On a pretty loaded system with a 3ware 74xx series card, we're getting:

# hdparm -tT /dev/sda3

/dev/sda3:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.65 seconds =196.92 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  1.44 seconds = 44.44 MB/sec

This seems to be more in-line with expectations.

Sincerely,
Jason
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  TH == Thomas Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 [...]
 TH /dev/sdb5: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.95 seconds
 TH =134.74 MB/sec

 TH /dev/sdb5: Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.42 seconds =
 TH 18.71 MB/sec

 TH When it comes to real world test my scsibased system is almost
 TH twice as fast as the idebased one :) [...]

 Hmm, the IDE drive in my notebook beats that!

 defter:~# hdparm -tT /dev/hda

 /dev/hda:
  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.55 seconds =232.73 MB/sec
  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  3.29 seconds = 19.45 MB/sec

 This is an IBM a30p, with a 5200? RPM 2.5 48 GIG drive.

 So what are we concluding from this?  I choose to conclude nothing
 of major significance.

 cheers,

 BM


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Re: SCSI or IDE

2002-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:30, Thomas Kirk wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 05:07:16PM +0100, Nicolas Bougues wrote:
  You should probably try to time the disk reads, not the buffer cache...
 
  hdparm -t

 Yes the disk reads is a more realistic real world test :

 /dev/sda5:
  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.23 seconds =104.07 MB/sec
 guf:~# hdparm -t /dev/sda5

hdparm is NOT a real world test!

In real world operation you use a file system not direct access to the device.  
Bonnie++ is one of many file system benchmarks that you can use to get 
results that are more useful than hdparm.

If you want to look at the performance of a raw device then use zcav (part of 
Bonnie++), it allows you to easily graph the varying performance across a 
partition.

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Re: SCSI or IDE

2002-11-30 Thread Eric Jennings
Hi Russell-

Can you give us a command to call (using bonnie++ binaries) that will 
give a more real-world test of filesystem and disk performance?  I'd 
like to see how bonnie++ differs from hdparm in results.

Thanks-
Eric


On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:30, Thomas Kirk wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 05:07:16PM +0100, Nicolas Bougues wrote:
  You should probably try to time the disk reads, not the buffer cache...
 
  hdparm -t

 Yes the disk reads is a more realistic real world test :

 /dev/sda5:
  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.23 seconds =104.07 MB/sec
 guf:~# hdparm -t /dev/sda5


hdparm is NOT a real world test!

In real world operation you use a file system not direct access to 
the device. 
Bonnie++ is one of many file system benchmarks that you can use to get
results that are more useful than hdparm.

If you want to look at the performance of a raw device then use zcav (part of
Bonnie++), it allows you to easily graph the varying performance across a
partition.


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