Re: Streaming Video Server
--Thursday, July 08, 2004 21:00:09 -0500 Rod Rodolico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just talked myself into a corner. A client called and asked if we can do a streaming video server and I said Yes, of course. [...] Depends on what you/your customer wnats exactly. Maybe check out Apple's Darwin Streaming Server: http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/ can both serve on-disk QuickTime, MPEG-4, and 3GPP files and reflect live broadcasts. Apple claims it runs under Red Hat, so it probably will compile under Debain as well. It's free although incompatible with the GPL. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/apsl.html Cheers, Marcel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 at 10:56:32, Marcel Hicking wrote: --Thursday, July 08, 2004 21:00:09 -0500 Rod Rodolico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just talked myself into a corner. A client called and asked if we can do a streaming video server and I said Yes, of course. [...] Depends on what you/your customer wnats exactly. Maybe check out Apple's Darwin Streaming Server: http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/ can both serve on-disk QuickTime, MPEG-4, and 3GPP files and reflect live broadcasts. Apple claims it runs under Red Hat, so it probably will compile under Debain as well. It's free although incompatible with the GPL. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/apsl.html Or you might want to try out the Helix Server (from Real Networks) - which is afaik not really free either. Have a look at: http://www.helixcommunity.org/ Haven't yet played with it. But I heared the developer-tools they offer allow easy configuration and compilation. The server allows you to do streaming of RealAudio/-Video if needed. I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. Good luck, Stefan
Re: Streaming Video Server
--Friday, July 09, 2004 11:02:46 +0200 Stefan Neufeind [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. Yip, me2. Cheers, Marcel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming Video Server
I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. Yip, me2. Cheers, Marcel Likewise... seems the list will be OK. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 11:02:46AM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote: Or you might want to try out the Helix Server (from Real Networks) - which is afaik not really free either. Have a look at: http://www.helixcommunity.org/ Haven't yet played with it. But I heared the developer-tools they offer allow easy configuration and compilation. The server allows you to do streaming of RealAudio/-Video if needed. I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. I work for a streaming media provider and we run the following streaming servers on debian woody : Helix Streaming Server Real Server 8 (will only run on 2.2.x kernels) Darwin Streaming Server 4 They all work on debian without any problems. Beside that we run windows media services 4.1 and windows media services 9 (windows 2003) ugh! -- Venlig Hilsen/Kind Regards Thomas Kirk IT-chef ARKENA A/S Mejlgade 27-29, DK-8000 Aarhus C Havnegade 39, DK-1058 København K Telephone Direct: +45 8620 4264 Telephone Office: +45 7023 3456 Telephone Mobile: +45 2612 3237 Office FAX: +45 8620 4270 WWW: http://www.arkena.com -- What do we need a psychiatrist for? We know our kid is nuts. -- Homer Simpson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 09:00:09PM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: 1. How do I do it. I am running a web server that is very under utilized (only about 60 web sites and a couple of hundred e-mail accounts). Do I just set up the site and the files the client puts out there are MPG or something? Or, do I need another server. You need to find out which media format your customer wants to use and then pick the best streaming server for that format. 2. Any special hints on how to bill for this? I charge $25/mo to host web sites so long as the traffic is below a gig a month. I told the client I'd have to look into billing, but are there any caveats I should look for. Our customers have diffrent needs so we bill both pr/mb and used bandwidth. Usually as hosting provider you pay for the total amount of bandwidth. Streaming can be very very bandwidth extensive so you should proberly try to find out how many concurrent users your customer wants to support and if its adult content keep and eye on your logs and bandwidth usage ;-) -- Venlig Hilsen/Kind Regards Thomas Kirk IT-chef ARKENA A/S Mejlgade 27-29, DK-8000 Aarhus C Havnegade 39, DK-1058 København K Telephone Direct: +45 8620 4264 Telephone Office: +45 7023 3456 Telephone Mobile: +45 2612 3237 Office FAX: +45 8620 4270 WWW: http://www.arkena.com -- English - Who needs that? I'm never going to England! -- Homer Simpson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 07:32:17PM -0700, px wrote: Try http://www.videolan.org/ Great streaming software, client and server, lots of features. Not very CPU intensive from what I've found, 3-4 streams. Come's in a Debian package too. For what i know one need a special player to decode the streams from vlc allthough ive heard that with a plugin it should be possible for windows users to play native vlc streams with windows media player (not confirmed though). We use the videolanserver when we need to stream high bandwidth quality streams on internal networks allthough i would use another media format than MPEG1/2 for streams on internet. Real Networks has a free Streaming media server (limited to maxium 1mbit/sec) and your customer can download free Real producer encode content in Real format. -- Venlig Hilsen/Kind Regards Thomas Kirk IT-chef ARKENA A/S Mejlgade 27-29, DK-8000 Aarhus C Havnegade 39, DK-1058 København K Telephone Direct: +45 8620 4264 Telephone Office: +45 7023 3456 Telephone Mobile: +45 2612 3237 Office FAX: +45 8620 4270 WWW: http://www.arkena.com -- If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English. -- Homer Simpson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Thu, 2004-07-08 21:00:09 -0500, Rod Rodolico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just talked myself into a corner. A client called and asked if we can do a streaming video server and I said Yes, of course. He then asked if I'd have a bid ready by the end of the week. So: Despite hijacking a different email thread and sending your text with waaay overzized lines, you first offer commercial services without really having a clue about it and now ask us for help to get your money, right? MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger | im Internet! | im Irak! ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Streaming Video Server
Thanks for all the advice. I have already told the client I'd need to know what format the files will be in. I will report back as soon as I've settled on a solution, with anything I learn. Again, thanks. Rod -- The only way to learn a new programming language is by writing programs in it. - Brian Kernighan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming Video Server
Another suggestion, though I don't know how ready for production level it is, is www.nullsoft.com/nsv/ several internet-TV stations have popped up using this, and I've seen pretty good performance from it. It uses the same server layout as Shoutcast (relaying servers and such) and in fact, uses the standard Shoutcast servers to send. the encoders have a very..rustic feel to them, but they work with a bit of tweeking.. As far as bandwidth, a 240x160x15fps video stream can be compressed down to about 120kbit, and a 320x240x25fps stream down to 250-300kbit, the latter giving rather decent video quality.. Hope this helps! -Splash, Dreamchaos.net admin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming Video Server
Hi! I can conform that it's possible to stream with VLC to a Windows Media Player without any special plugins/codecs. It's a little tricky to figure out in which formats you have to provide the stream. Keep in mind that old Windows Media Players want indeo format, which seems not to be available in VLC (or Linux altogether?). The newer VLC is shipped with WMV1 and WMV2 format transcode (given the aproriate library), but not WMV3. I remember having read that WMV3 is so urgly proprietary that it won't be supported ever, but that not a problem since all Windows 2000 or better (and no, in thios case I don't mean Linux by saying better ;)) support WMV2. When testing keep in mind that all codec you installed after your Windows installation probably change you Windows Media Player capabilities! Test always on a freshly install Win. Habe Fun reinstalling Windows ;_) (BTW: Try apt-get install qemu in sid which gives you a great free virtual machine in Linux!) With VLC it's possible to transcode files or even streams. But for several reasons VLC 0.7.1 did not satisfy my quality demands. I don't mean stream quality, but more problem in restarting the steam etc. All this information is some months old. You may try again, since VLC 0.7.2 bond is out. Can anyone tell me how to realize a UDP proxy for streaming? I want to stream via a webcam over our T1 to a proxy in the colo-farm and re-stream it to many customers. Let's say classical broadcasting :) Good Luck! Andreas -- Andreas John net-lab GmbH Luisenstrasse 30b 63067 Offenbach Tel: +49 69 85700331 http://www.net-lab.net On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 11:02:46AM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote: Or you might want to try out the Helix Server (from Real Networks) - which is afaik not really free either. Have a look at: http://www.helixcommunity.org/ Haven't yet played with it. But I heared the developer-tools they offer allow easy configuration and compilation. The server allows you to do streaming of RealAudio/-Video if needed. I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. I work for a streaming media provider and we run the following streaming servers on debian woody : Helix Streaming Server Real Server 8 (will only run on 2.2.x kernels) Darwin Streaming Server 4 They all work on debian without any problems. Beside that we run windows media services 4.1 and windows media services 9 (windows 2003) ugh! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming Video Server
--Thursday, July 08, 2004 21:00:09 -0500 Rod Rodolico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just talked myself into a corner. A client called and asked if we can do a streaming video server and I said Yes, of course. [...] Depends on what you/your customer wnats exactly. Maybe check out Apple's Darwin Streaming Server: http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/ can both serve on-disk QuickTime, MPEG-4, and 3GPP files and reflect live broadcasts. Apple claims it runs under Red Hat, so it probably will compile under Debain as well. It's free although incompatible with the GPL. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/apsl.html Cheers, Marcel
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 at 10:56:32, Marcel Hicking wrote: --Thursday, July 08, 2004 21:00:09 -0500 Rod Rodolico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just talked myself into a corner. A client called and asked if we can do a streaming video server and I said Yes, of course. [...] Depends on what you/your customer wnats exactly. Maybe check out Apple's Darwin Streaming Server: http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/ can both serve on-disk QuickTime, MPEG-4, and 3GPP files and reflect live broadcasts. Apple claims it runs under Red Hat, so it probably will compile under Debain as well. It's free although incompatible with the GPL. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/apsl.html Or you might want to try out the Helix Server (from Real Networks) - which is afaik not really free either. Have a look at: http://www.helixcommunity.org/ Haven't yet played with it. But I heared the developer-tools they offer allow easy configuration and compilation. The server allows you to do streaming of RealAudio/-Video if needed. I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. Good luck, Stefan
Re: Streaming Video Server
--Friday, July 09, 2004 11:02:46 +0200 Stefan Neufeind [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. Yip, me2. Cheers, Marcel
Re: Streaming Video Server
I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. Yip, me2. Cheers, Marcel Likewise... seems the list will be OK. David
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 11:02:46AM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote: Or you might want to try out the Helix Server (from Real Networks) - which is afaik not really free either. Have a look at: http://www.helixcommunity.org/ Haven't yet played with it. But I heared the developer-tools they offer allow easy configuration and compilation. The server allows you to do streaming of RealAudio/-Video if needed. I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. I work for a streaming media provider and we run the following streaming servers on debian woody : Helix Streaming Server Real Server 8 (will only run on 2.2.x kernels) Darwin Streaming Server 4 They all work on debian without any problems. Beside that we run windows media services 4.1 and windows media services 9 (windows 2003) ugh! -- Venlig Hilsen/Kind Regards Thomas Kirk IT-chef ARKENA A/S Mejlgade 27-29, DK-8000 Aarhus C Havnegade 39, DK-1058 København K Telephone Direct: +45 8620 4264 Telephone Office: +45 7023 3456 Telephone Mobile: +45 2612 3237 Office FAX: +45 8620 4270 WWW: http://www.arkena.com -- What do we need a psychiatrist for? We know our kid is nuts. -- Homer Simpson
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 09:00:09PM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: 1. How do I do it. I am running a web server that is very under utilized (only about 60 web sites and a couple of hundred e-mail accounts). Do I just set up the site and the files the client puts out there are MPG or something? Or, do I need another server. You need to find out which media format your customer wants to use and then pick the best streaming server for that format. 2. Any special hints on how to bill for this? I charge $25/mo to host web sites so long as the traffic is below a gig a month. I told the client I'd have to look into billing, but are there any caveats I should look for. Our customers have diffrent needs so we bill both pr/mb and used bandwidth. Usually as hosting provider you pay for the total amount of bandwidth. Streaming can be very very bandwidth extensive so you should proberly try to find out how many concurrent users your customer wants to support and if its adult content keep and eye on your logs and bandwidth usage ;-) -- Venlig Hilsen/Kind Regards Thomas Kirk IT-chef ARKENA A/S Mejlgade 27-29, DK-8000 Aarhus C Havnegade 39, DK-1058 København K Telephone Direct: +45 8620 4264 Telephone Office: +45 7023 3456 Telephone Mobile: +45 2612 3237 Office FAX: +45 8620 4270 WWW: http://www.arkena.com -- English - Who needs that? I'm never going to England! -- Homer Simpson
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 07:32:17PM -0700, px wrote: Try http://www.videolan.org/ Great streaming software, client and server, lots of features. Not very CPU intensive from what I've found, 3-4 streams. Come's in a Debian package too. For what i know one need a special player to decode the streams from vlc allthough ive heard that with a plugin it should be possible for windows users to play native vlc streams with windows media player (not confirmed though). We use the videolanserver when we need to stream high bandwidth quality streams on internal networks allthough i would use another media format than MPEG1/2 for streams on internet. Real Networks has a free Streaming media server (limited to maxium 1mbit/sec) and your customer can download free Real producer encode content in Real format. -- Venlig Hilsen/Kind Regards Thomas Kirk IT-chef ARKENA A/S Mejlgade 27-29, DK-8000 Aarhus C Havnegade 39, DK-1058 København K Telephone Direct: +45 8620 4264 Telephone Office: +45 7023 3456 Telephone Mobile: +45 2612 3237 Office FAX: +45 8620 4270 WWW: http://www.arkena.com -- If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English. -- Homer Simpson
Re: Streaming Video Server
On Thu, 2004-07-08 21:00:09 -0500, Rod Rodolico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just talked myself into a corner. A client called and asked if we can do a streaming video server and I said Yes, of course. He then asked if I'd have a bid ready by the end of the week. So: Despite hijacking a different email thread and sending your text with waaay overzized lines, you first offer commercial services without really having a clue about it and now ask us for help to get your money, right? MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger | im Internet! | im Irak! ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Streaming Video Server
Thanks for all the advice. I have already told the client I'd need to know what format the files will be in. I will report back as soon as I've settled on a solution, with anything I learn. Again, thanks. Rod -- The only way to learn a new programming language is by writing programs in it. - Brian Kernighan
Re: Streaming Video Server
Another suggestion, though I don't know how ready for production level it is, is www.nullsoft.com/nsv/ several internet-TV stations have popped up using this, and I've seen pretty good performance from it. It uses the same server layout as Shoutcast (relaying servers and such) and in fact, uses the standard Shoutcast servers to send. the encoders have a very..rustic feel to them, but they work with a bit of tweeking.. As far as bandwidth, a 240x160x15fps video stream can be compressed down to about 120kbit, and a 320x240x25fps stream down to 250-300kbit, the latter giving rather decent video quality.. Hope this helps! -Splash, Dreamchaos.net admin
Re: Streaming Video Server
Hi! I can conform that it's possible to stream with VLC to a Windows Media Player without any special plugins/codecs. It's a little tricky to figure out in which formats you have to provide the stream. Keep in mind that old Windows Media Players want indeo format, which seems not to be available in VLC (or Linux altogether?). The newer VLC is shipped with WMV1 and WMV2 format transcode (given the aproriate library), but not WMV3. I remember having read that WMV3 is so urgly proprietary that it won't be supported ever, but that not a problem since all Windows 2000 or better (and no, in thios case I don't mean Linux by saying better ;)) support WMV2. When testing keep in mind that all codec you installed after your Windows installation probably change you Windows Media Player capabilities! Test always on a freshly install Win. Habe Fun reinstalling Windows ;_) (BTW: Try apt-get install qemu in sid which gives you a great free virtual machine in Linux!) With VLC it's possible to transcode files or even streams. But for several reasons VLC 0.7.1 did not satisfy my quality demands. I don't mean stream quality, but more problem in restarting the steam etc. All this information is some months old. You may try again, since VLC 0.7.2 bond is out. Can anyone tell me how to realize a UDP proxy for streaming? I want to stream via a webcam over our T1 to a proxy in the colo-farm and re-stream it to many customers. Let's say classical broadcasting :) Good Luck! Andreas -- Andreas John net-lab GmbH Luisenstrasse 30b 63067 Offenbach Tel: +49 69 85700331 http://www.net-lab.net On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 11:02:46AM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote: Or you might want to try out the Helix Server (from Real Networks) - which is afaik not really free either. Have a look at: http://www.helixcommunity.org/ Haven't yet played with it. But I heared the developer-tools they offer allow easy configuration and compilation. The server allows you to do streaming of RealAudio/-Video if needed. I'd appreciate to hear from you about your test-results on streaming-video- servers (private mail) - or maybe others here are interested as well. I work for a streaming media provider and we run the following streaming servers on debian woody : Helix Streaming Server Real Server 8 (will only run on 2.2.x kernels) Darwin Streaming Server 4 They all work on debian without any problems. Beside that we run windows media services 4.1 and windows media services 9 (windows 2003) ugh!
