Re: (Spamcop) [listadmin@jtsterlings.com: J.T. Sterlings Daily Special
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:58, Jason Lim wrote: I must say that I strongly support Spamcop. Unlike some of the other block lists that are run by unknown and possibly shady people with So is their black list up and working again? I used to use their blacklist but then it suddenly stopped working... -- It is working... (i don't know how long ago you were talking about though, we've only used their list for a month or so). About a week or two ago it suddenly stopped working. It wasn't long after ORBZ disappeared so I figured that they'd just cancelled it. Maybe it was just a network outage. I'll try it again. Maybe it was the mass of ORBZ users looking for an alternative that clogged the system ;-) We use qmail and it's internal rblsmtpd program has a timeout so even if it is slow or doesn't work, mail goes through as usual (just a small SMTP slowdown... but may not be acceptable on a very busy mailserver with hundreds of simultaneous connections). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Spamcop) [listadmin@jtsterlings.com: J.T. Sterlings Daily Special
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:58, Jason Lim wrote: I must say that I strongly support Spamcop. Unlike some of the other block lists that are run by unknown and possibly shady people with So is their black list up and working again? I used to use their blacklist but then it suddenly stopped working... -- If you send email to me or to a mailing list that I use which has 4 lines of legalistic junk at the end then you are specifically authorizing me to do whatever I wish with the message and all other messages from your domain, by posting the message you agree that your long legalistic sig is void. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Spamcop) [listadmin@jtsterlings.com: J.T. Sterlings Daily Special
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Jason Lim wrote: Spamcop is the only spam prevention system we can use as a company, because many of those other blocklists include Asian mail servers (abused by USA spammers 99.999% of the time... but that is another issue). But in 99.999% of those cases, the abuse by the USA spammer was only possible because the Asian server was an open relay. There's *no* excuse for that. Whatsoever. I'm also against blocking whole netblocks, however seed.net.tw is one of those ISPs that apparently keeps on selling new small blocks to the same bunch of criminals without responding to any complaints. Then what to do? Personally, I can get away by blocking all of Seednet, I won't loose any business. But what would *you* advise in such a case? Personally, to my Spamcop's solution is good. If there are complaints, and the ISP does not take action, ignores it, etc. (as you say with this seednet), then the IPs remain blocked for 1 week. So during that week, if the same problem keeps happening, then their mail still won't get through. And if any does get through, then they get blocked for another week because people like me and everyone else will resubmit their details. So they more or less get continually blocked, even without pre-blocking all their IPs. As for abuse by USA spammers, its not easy for me to explain to you. I'm half Asian... one of my parents are Asian. I grew up in Asia. I spend half my time in Asia. And I can really say there are 2 things I can see. 1) software mainly written in english... yes, this is a real problem. Not for me... but I have seen my fellow workers and clients struggle with the terminology, etc. trying to understand english manuals. 2) Asian culture tends to be permissive, as in you are allowed to do virtually anything you want unless you do something bad. This is one very good reason why, in Asia, people talk more about the spirit of the law, rather than the actual law itself. In the long run, probably every country will end up being forced to have very convoluted and extremely large/long USA-style law detailing every little single possible occurance of anything. Asian people believe in giving face, and that means not limiting or stepping on people's toes if at all possible. Thus many ISPs do not like to or want to force their clients to change mail settings, or cut them off if they run insecure mail servers. (btw. I am in no way saying running open relays is good, and we don't run any, but I'm just giving you a reason as to why this does happen). I sincerely doubt that Asian companies nor people like to or want to have their things abused by foreigners. Think about it... China VS USA... and you'll understand what I mean. Thus there is no malicious intent by Chinese sysadmins for leaving open relays, but there IS malicious intent by USA spammers to abuse Asia. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Spamcop) [listadmin@jtsterlings.com: J.T. Sterlings Daily Special
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:58, Jason Lim wrote: I must say that I strongly support Spamcop. Unlike some of the other block lists that are run by unknown and possibly shady people with So is their black list up and working again? I used to use their blacklist but then it suddenly stopped working... -- It is working... (i don't know how long ago you were talking about though, we've only used their list for a month or so). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Spamcop) [listadmin@jtsterlings.com: J.T. Sterlings Daily Special
At least, spamcop is for open relay servers - not for spammails, where we are not sure, if this junk was made by jtsterlings.com or by someone else (like Billy for example). I must say that I strongly support Spamcop. Unlike some of the other block lists that are run by unknown and possibly shady people with unknown motives, Spamcop's owner is open and accessable, and is an overall nice guy. Spamcop's policies are also clearly available, and the whole process is very transparent and public. I like this... just like opensource (not literally... more morally). Spamcop is the only spam prevention system we can use as a company, because many of those other blocklists include Asian mail servers (abused by USA spammers 99.999% of the time... but that is another issue). We do a lot of business in Asia and cannot afford those Asia-wide blocks that many of the lists are now including. We ourselves would probably be included in the Asian block because we're in Asia too (blocking ourselves... interesting thought). Spamcop only blocks emails if spam is actually received from a place/server. It doesn't pre-block everything even if no spam comes from it. As an Webhosting/Dedicated Server/Colo provider, after careful consideration we decided that we cannot afford to block legit email (even if only a few business emails get blocked, thats not acceptable to us). You probably would come to the same consideration if you're a business. Personal sites can probably use any list they want because a few missing emails won't cause any drama. We're willing to accept a couple of spams getting through, rather than lose some legit email. Anyway, just wanted to say that, especially after the closure of Orbz and people looking for an alternative. I don't work for Spamcop, I get nothing from telling you the above. Jason http://www.zentek-international.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
