Re: [support@backup.hmdc.harvard.edu: [hmdc.harvard.edu #4073] FYI: mon]

2003-09-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:03, Theodore J. Knab wrote:
> Some of you might find this one interesting.
>
> In a world where IT security sometimes means keeping services out of
> sight. Both Harvard and MIT advertise everything they have up and
> running.

I don't think that letting people know which servers are online is a problem.  
If they are secure then it's fine, if they aren't then security by obscurity 
never did any good.

However if someone wants to mount an attack that requires spoofing IP 
addresses etc, then having current ping times etc displayed can really make 
it a lot easier...

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[support@backup.hmdc.harvard.edu: [hmdc.harvard.edu #4073] FYI: mon]

2003-09-10 Thread Theodore J. Knab
Some of you might find this one interesting. 

In a world where IT security sometimes means keeping services out of
sight. Both Harvard and MIT advertise everything they have up and
running.

If I was a cracker running a DOS, I could use this information to 
monitor the machines I knocked of the network. Additionally, this list
has all of the servers that both MIT and Harvard monitor in their data center. 
The monitoring program being used is called mon. I use it and was
digging for info on the cgi interface that displays server info.

So, I thought I would warn them with this message:
-
FYI:

A google search on mon brings up your cgi interface for mon.
http://www.google.com/search?q=mon+dns&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N

[see second page link line six]

Your mon program is accessible by the world.

With a current world wide population of 6.3 billion you are inviting an
attack.
http://www.populationmedia.org/

Please lock down access to the following host:
http://mon.hmdc.harvard.edu/mon.cgi?command=query_opstatus_full


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> Your mon program is accessible by the world.

We do intend for it to be publicly available. It allows us to give in
depth status to our various patrons.

> With a current world wide population of 6.3 billion you are inviting
> an attack.

There is no information on that page that couldn't be garned with a
quick NMAP scan.

Thank you for your concern.

Matt

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Matthew P. Cox
Senior Systems Administrator / Systems Programmer
Harvard-MIT Data Center

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Ted Knab
Chester, Maryland


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