Re: [OT] Re: AVI stream
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Chris Wagner wrote: > At 09:29 AM 3/19/02 +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: > >> In this arena whatever *they* say goes. > > > >Not when we're talking about what's criminal and what's not. > > Yes, that's true, but is irrelevant for his situation. His web hosts are > coming to him saying "we want X". Whatever X is, whether that's streaming > video people can't copy, etc, he has to provide that or they walk. That's > why discussions of rightness or wrongness in these situations is moot. Sure. That's also why I said that they have as much right to try and stop me doing things they don't want as I have the right to actually do them. But let's not forget the last part. :) Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: AVI stream
At 09:29 AM 3/19/02 +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: >> In this arena whatever *they* say goes. > >Not when we're talking about what's criminal and what's not. Yes, that's true, but is irrelevant for his situation. His web hosts are coming to him saying "we want X". Whatever X is, whether that's streaming video people can't copy, etc, he has to provide that or they walk. That's why discussions of rightness or wrongness in these situations is moot. -- REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ---=< WTC 911 >=-- 0100 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: AVI stream
Hi, On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Chris Wagner wrote: > The idea of what is thievery or allowed use rests solely in the mind > of his customers. Well, that's exactly the attitude I'm objecting to! Sure, they have as much right to try and stop me doing things they don't want as I have the right to actually do them, but that doesn't make these things 'thievery' or 'illegal'. Whether something is 'stealing' depends on *law*, and is not determined by his customers or any other publisher. Unless of course the publishers determine the law, which is indeed what seems to be happening in some places of the world. > In this arena whatever *they* say goes. Not when we're talking about what's criminal and what's not. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: AVI stream
LOL dude! :) If u think I was calling anyone a thief u read something that I didn't type. The idea of what is thievery or allowed use rests solely in the mind of his customers. In this arena whatever *they* say goes. Forgive me if I used overly colloquial meanings of steal and thief. :) At 08:54 AM 3/19/02 +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: >Hi, > >I really object to the idea that I am a "thief" if I want to view the >streamed content again, or show it to my wife, or if I want to convert >it to format Foo for display with player Bar which I happen to like a >lot. > -- REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ---=< WTC 911 >=-- 0100 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: AVI stream
Hi, On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Chris Wagner wrote: [SNIP] > You mentioned copyright issues. It is impossible to keep someone from > stealing *any* streamed content if they're determined. It wouldn't take > much for someone to take apart your asx file and copy the URL into their > browser and simply download it. [SNIP] > But like I said before, it is flat out impossible to safeguard > streamed media from a true hacker. :) So all you will really be doing > is keeping away the casual thief. That goes for Real Player too. So > how many in your audience are going to think to look in %temp% for a > copy of this?? I really object to the idea that I am a "thief" if I want to view the streamed content again, or show it to my wife, or if I want to convert it to format Foo for display with player Bar which I happen to like a lot. You publish or broadcast content, and that means the recipient can do with it whatever she damn well pleases as long as she doesn't redistribute it publically. But the idea that it's 'illegal' and 'thievery' to refuse to follow publisher's random unilaterally imposed restrictions of how the content should be viewed is bull. As long as the viewer doesn't violate copyright, he can do whatever. If you don't like that, don't publish it. It looks like the DMCA's brainwashing is already taking effect if people are already starting to believe it's "wrong" if you don't do as your told by the content owner. Sigh. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AVI stream
Sure, any media format can be streamed over Apache. The secret is the use of meta files. The "streaming" is a function accomplished by the client, not the server. All the so called streaming protocols out there are just glorified TCP/UDP data transfers with some bells and whistles thrown in. If you want something streamed into Media Player you just create a .asx metafile with it's contents pointing to the http location of the media. Media player automatically knows how to "pace" the download. Real Player works on the same principle. An example asx file: Boss's Speach Copyright Blah http://wherever.com/something.avi";> You mentioned copyright issues. It is impossible to keep someone from stealing *any* streamed content if they're determined. It wouldn't take much for someone to take apart your asx file and copy the URL into their browser and simply download it. One thing you can do is configure Apache to only serve the content if the browser id string matches the known media player browser types. This would prevent anyone from accessing the file from Netscape or IE or whatever. You'ld have to check your access logs to see what kind of id string it sends. One other thing to consider is that I think, but am not sure, that media player will keep a temp file of content received over http in the system temp directory. You'll have to test it to make sure. I think you can also embed "copyrighted material" tags in the file itself to tell media player that it can't be saved off. But like I said before, it is flat out impossible to safeguard streamed media from a true hacker. :) So all you will really be doing is keeping away the casual thief. That goes for Real Player too. So how many in your audience are going to think to look in %temp% for a copy of this?? At 11:29 AM 3/18/02 +0100, Michal Novotny wrote: >Hello! > >Is there a chance to stream avi/wma file from Debian box? > >For now I'm using RealServer for Linux, but (for clients) I need to add >support for Windows Media Player (standard player in MS Windows) :-( >I cannot use download, but stream. Copyright issues... > >Could anyone help me? -- REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ---=< WTC 911 >=-- 0100 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: AVI stream
I think it doesn't matter to me, I can convert it to something else. But I need to be able stream the same video for RealPlayer and Windows Media Player, of course using two different formats (for RP & WMP). I found some mpeg streaming tools, but for $1299 :-( I need to test it before use it, and I can't spend that much... and I don't know if WMP can play that streamings... Any other possibilities? Regards Michal Novotny 18. března 2002 20:09:26, Dave Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pise: > You will never be able to stream AVI. It is unstreamable. You will want to > stream ASF or MPEG. As to how to do that, I will leave to someone else. > Dave Smith >> -Original Message- >> From: Michal Novotny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: 18 March 2002 10:30 >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: AVI stream >> >> >> Hello! >> >> Is there a chance to stream avi/wma file from Debian box? >> >> For now I'm using RealServer for Linux, but (for clients) I need to add >> support for Windows Media Player (standard player in MS Windows) :-( >> I cannot use download, but stream. Copyright issues... >> >> Could anyone help me? >> >> Regards >> Michal Novotny >> >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AVI stream
Hello! Is there a chance to stream avi/wma file from Debian box? For now I'm using RealServer for Linux, but (for clients) I need to add support for Windows Media Player (standard player in MS Windows) :-( I cannot use download, but stream. Copyright issues... Could anyone help me? Regards Michal Novotny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
