Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-22 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 10:03:37AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote:
   Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
   You have 3 process hidden for ps command
   Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
  
   Sometimes chkrootkit returns nothing detected and every time rkhunter
   tells me nothing is wrong. Is this a false positive with chkrootkit
 and
   debian woody?

chkrootkit on nearly anything occasionally gives this false positive.
I believe it is something to do with normal processes terminating or
spawning at the time chkrootkit is looking for hidden processes. Hence
the word Possible in its report.

If you run chkrootkit again, you will probably not see the message
again. If you repeatedly see that message every time you run
chkrootkit, then you can start panicing.


Donovan Baardahttp://minkirri.apana.org.au/~abo/



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Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-22 Thread Andreas John
Donovan Baarda wrote:
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 10:03:37AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote:
Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
You have 3 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
If you run chkrootkit again, you will probably not see the message
again. If you repeatedly see that message every time you run
chkrootkit, then you can start panicing.
This is a known bug in ps command of debian. I don't know if the sid 
version is updated by now, but this particular lkm - 3 process problem 
*will* occur again.
chkrootkit gives often false positives, but this is no reason not look 
for a trojan. read the perl code to see what it checks. it's quite 
simple, it checks the existence of certain hidden directories, files or 
processes. try to invstigate, why they exist on your machine.

rgds,
j.

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Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-22 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 10:03:37AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote:
   Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
   You have 3 process hidden for ps command
   Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
  
   Sometimes chkrootkit returns nothing detected and every time rkhunter
   tells me nothing is wrong. Is this a false positive with chkrootkit
 and
   debian woody?

chkrootkit on nearly anything occasionally gives this false positive.
I believe it is something to do with normal processes terminating or
spawning at the time chkrootkit is looking for hidden processes. Hence
the word Possible in its report.

If you run chkrootkit again, you will probably not see the message
again. If you repeatedly see that message every time you run
chkrootkit, then you can start panicing.


Donovan Baardahttp://minkirri.apana.org.au/~abo/





Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-22 Thread Andreas John
Donovan Baarda wrote:
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 10:03:37AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote:
Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
You have 3 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
If you run chkrootkit again, you will probably not see the message
again. If you repeatedly see that message every time you run
chkrootkit, then you can start panicing.
This is a known bug in ps command of debian. I don't know if the sid 
version is updated by now, but this particular lkm - 3 process problem 
*will* occur again.
chkrootkit gives often false positives, but this is no reason not look 
for a trojan. read the perl code to see what it checks. it's quite 
simple, it checks the existence of certain hidden directories, files or 
processes. try to invstigate, why they exist on your machine.

rgds,
j.

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Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-21 Thread David Ross
Hi 

I have rkhunter and chkrootkit running in a cron job every morning and
every now and again I get chkrootkit results like this:

Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed

And sometimes this:

Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
You have 3 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed

Sometimes chkrootkit returns nothing detected and every time rkhunter
tells me nothing is wrong. Is this a false positive with chkrootkit and
debian woody?

Dave



Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-21 Thread August MacBeth
yeah. i think there are some bug reports on chkrootkit / woody. if you 
run it again right after, you shouldn't get the message again. (i 
personally prefer rkhunter) :)

http://tinyurl.com/3fddn
~august
David Ross wrote:
Hi 

I have rkhunter and chkrootkit running in a cron job every morning and
every now and again I get chkrootkit results like this:
Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
And sometimes this:
Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
You have 3 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
Sometimes chkrootkit returns nothing detected and every time rkhunter
tells me nothing is wrong. Is this a false positive with chkrootkit and
debian woody?
Dave

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Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-21 Thread Myke Place
* David Ross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040521 01:55] spake thusly:

snip

 Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
 You have 3 process hidden for ps command
 Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
 
 Sometimes chkrootkit returns nothing detected and every time rkhunter
 tells me nothing is wrong. Is this a false positive with chkrootkit and
 debian woody?

Running 2.6?

-mp


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Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-21 Thread Jason Lim
  Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
  You have 3 process hidden for ps command
  Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
 
  Sometimes chkrootkit returns nothing detected and every time rkhunter
  tells me nothing is wrong. Is this a false positive with chkrootkit
and
  debian woody?


 No. I dont get that error.

What I can note is that one time one ofthe servers got stuffed up for some
reason (the RAID array borked at the wrong moment or something) and
something weird happened to /proc or such. We actually didn't know this at
the time, so we ran chkrootkit (the backports.org version) and found a
similar error to your's. We were all frantic, checking the backups and
everything, until we checked the logs and saw RAID error. We rebooted the
server and re-ran chkrootkit and all was fine.

This certainly does not mean the same in your case, but just though you
might want to know.

Jas


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Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-21 Thread August MacBeth
yeah. i think there are some bug reports on chkrootkit / woody. if you 
run it again right after, you shouldn't get the message again. (i 
personally prefer rkhunter) :)

http://tinyurl.com/3fddn
~august
David Ross wrote:
Hi 

I have rkhunter and chkrootkit running in a cron job every morning and
every now and again I get chkrootkit results like this:
Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
And sometimes this:
Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
You have 3 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
Sometimes chkrootkit returns nothing detected and every time rkhunter
tells me nothing is wrong. Is this a false positive with chkrootkit and
debian woody?
Dave



Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-21 Thread Myke Place
* David Ross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040521 01:55] spake thusly:

snip

 Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
 You have 3 process hidden for ps command
 Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
 
 Sometimes chkrootkit returns nothing detected and every time rkhunter
 tells me nothing is wrong. Is this a false positive with chkrootkit and
 debian woody?

Running 2.6?

-mp




Re: Chkrootkit - true/false ?

2004-05-21 Thread Jason Lim
  Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
  You have 3 process hidden for ps command
  Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
 
  Sometimes chkrootkit returns nothing detected and every time rkhunter
  tells me nothing is wrong. Is this a false positive with chkrootkit
and
  debian woody?


 No. I dont get that error.

What I can note is that one time one ofthe servers got stuffed up for some
reason (the RAID array borked at the wrong moment or something) and
something weird happened to /proc or such. We actually didn't know this at
the time, so we ran chkrootkit (the backports.org version) and found a
similar error to your's. We were all frantic, checking the backups and
everything, until we checked the logs and saw RAID error. We rebooted the
server and re-ran chkrootkit and all was fine.

This certainly does not mean the same in your case, but just though you
might want to know.

Jas