Re: Debian Co-location in USA
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:52:42PM +1000, Jeremy Lunn wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:56:08AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: Maybe this is a good business opportunity for a group of Debian developers in a place such as the Netherlands, Germany, or the US. There is reasonable profit in hiring hosting space by the rack and renting it out by the 1U. Interesting idea, at least I am hoping that I can find somewhere in the US (or anywhere where there's good bandwidth back to Australia) where I could potentially get a number of machines hosted with someone available in an emergency. I'm happy to do this now for anyone that wants it. I'll build and install a debian box to order and supply the onsite reboot/emergency diagnostics required. I'm not a debian developer but I have high-availability operational experience with internet services URL:http://www.campin.net/resume.html. I have a full-time job right now but I can still easily work in the emergency availability arrangement as discussed here. This borders on advertising I suppose, so contact me off-list if you want to work something out. I can get as much rackspace as required on short notice at a local colo with three t3 connections. URL:http://www.inreach.com/services/colocation/serv_colo_netmap.html. Not the most bandwidth ever, but more than enough for 99% of people. -- Nate The holy passion of Friendship is of so sweet and steady and loyal and enduring a nature that it will last through a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar(1894) - Samuel Clemens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 01:27:04PM +1000, Jeremy Lunn wrote: One of my clients is looking into hosting a server in the USA, since it costs much less than doing it here in Australia. For Debian, you have a few options. I hear a lot of good things about Dream Host ( http://www.dreamhost.com ) and they're Debian-based. You can also simply convert a Red Hat installation into a Debian installation. It's a little nervous-making, but doable! With most hosting providers, you can choose the partitioning scheme, so just have a small partition prepared where you can untar an installed system to, chroot to that and run lilo, then make it restart and repurpose the other volumes as you please. I have done this on a server where custom partitioning wasn't an option as well. I simply used the swap partition. I converted the swap to an ext2 filesystem, dropped in a tiny Debian install, restarted with that as the new root and ran fsck from the small install to lay things out the way I wanted on the rest of the drive. When I was done, that tiny partition just became my swap again. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
I have done a fair bit of work on this so can offer some advice: Do NOT use unitedcolo.com - despite offering debian on their home page I found them to be extremely unsatisfactory. Yes in 20/20 hindsite the bandwidth and pricing on their page looks to good to be true, but most non-Australian bandwidth pricing looks like that from here.. From this I also advise staging the migration over a month (moving some DNS and other services in a reasonably reversable fashion) whilst at the same time spanking the server into the ground with postal, kernel compiles, bonnie eyc to make sure it can hack it, and monitoring the network reliability - I'm glad we did this so we didn't get egg on our faces with our clients before we did the major service migrations After a fair bit more shopping around we settled on prioritycolo.com (located in Toronto, Canada). They do not offer debian by default, but were quite happy to download a woody ISO and install with me sitting on IRC to guide them through what I wanted. I started a thread on this list discussing this issue around that time (begginning of the year?) and got some valuable suggestions, although some with a higher level of service than we needed at a higher price than we could afford. I have read there is a company in the UK offering virtual UserModeLinux servers but dont know much about them, but it could be a good option where root access is needed more than a dedicated CPU. We were very happy with our Australian hosting service. Unfortunately they had to pass on the ridiculous Australian data volume rates of their ISP on to us so we had to move elsewhere.. Duncan On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 13:27, Jeremy Lunn wrote: One of my clients is looking into hosting a server in the USA, since it costs much less than doing it here in Australia. The problem is that most hosting companies only tend to supply Red Hat. We'll need a machine with a very basic base install of Debian, obviously along with networking and ssh. Obviously we will also need operator staff available to reset the machine, should it be needed and do other minor tasks if something goes wrong. Has anyone had any experience with any hosting companies that provide such service? The level of support probably doesn't matter, as long as the basics are provided. They are currently looking at Candid Hosting (http://www.candidhosting.com/CGI/Dedicated.asp), however they only provide Red Hat and FreeBSD. So any plan would have to be equal to or better than the Candid $130/month deal. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia http://psi.sf.net/ - Jabber client for Linux/win32/MacOS. -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
The economy is not particularly good right now and many Debian developers don't have as much work as they would like. Maybe this is a good business opportunity for a group of Debian developers in a place such as the Netherlands, Germany, or the US. There is reasonable profit in hiring hosting space by the rack and renting it out by the 1U. I'm sure that there are some companies who want Debian servers hosted and will be prepared to pay a little extra to have Debian developers run them. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
Maybe this is a good business opportunity for a group of Debian developers in a place such as the Netherlands, Germany, or the US. There is reasonable profit in hiring hosting space by the rack and renting it out by the 1U. Do have experience with this business model elsewhere? I believe in this area there is a lack of linux hosting in any form, let alone Debian. It's an interesting idea. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
Hi, since my company offers Debian servers, so I thought I'd chime in. On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 07:09 AM, Duncan Robertson wrote: snipped I have read there is a company in the UK offering virtual UserModeLinux servers but dont know much about them, but it could be a good option where root access is needed more than a dedicated CPU. We were very happy with our Australian hosting service. Unfortunately they had to pass on the ridiculous Australian data volume rates of their ISP on to us so we had to move elsewhere.. Duncan Aktiom Networks LLC (www.aktiom.net) offers something similar to UserModeLinux, but better in my opinion ;-). You can get a Debian 3.0 GNU/Linux server starting at $60/month, running on beefy hardware. Please be aware that these are not dedicated linux servers; we have multiple client servers running on each physical machine. But, the servers and data are completely partitioned and secure from other clients. This is a nice alternative from the $100+ dedicated server options if you don't need that much power. If you have any questions, feel free to email me on the list or privately. Glenn Oppegard Aktiom Networks LLC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
I suggest starting by reselling 1U spaces at a slight premium for the Debian support, and making an agreement with the ISP that you can convert your customers into a rack at some point. It doesn't hurt an ISP to offer it if they have the capability. I know a debian friendly ISP that I can pitch this to if there is a very experienced Debian sysadmin that would like to put up a website offering it at his colo. It's not hard to find the ISP's that use free software, and a phone call to the head of sales should not be hard to manage. If you have the numbers all worked out, I think you stand a decent chance of convincing one or more of them to post it as a product. It just doesn't cost them much to add something to the website and sell it in addition to other things, particularly if they are not supporting it. What kind of returns could you show an ISP? I would be glad to help with advice or phone calls, etc. -Rich On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Russell Coker wrote: The economy is not particularly good right now and many Debian developers don't have as much work as they would like. Maybe this is a good business opportunity for a group of Debian developers in a place such as the Netherlands, Germany, or the US. There is reasonable profit in hiring hosting space by the rack and renting it out by the 1U. I'm sure that there are some companies who want Debian servers hosted and will be prepared to pay a little extra to have Debian developers run them. -- Rich Bodo | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 650-964-4678 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 12:33:16PM -0600, Glenn Oppegard wrote: --snip Aktiom Networks LLC (www.aktiom.net) offers something similar to UserModeLinux, but better in my opinion ;-). You can get a Debian 3.0 GNU/Linux server starting at $60/month, running on beefy hardware. Please be aware that these are not dedicated linux servers; we have multiple client servers running on each physical machine. But, the servers and data are completely partitioned and secure from other clients. This is a nice alternative from the $100+ dedicated server options if you don't need that much power. If you have any questions, feel free to email me on the list or privately. Glenn Oppegard Aktiom Networks LLC I am curious about how you partition your big Dell machines. Was unable to find any details about it on your site. I guess vserver, wich seems to be more efficient than uml. But i have only tested uml my self, so i don't know. -- Frode Haugsgjerd Norway -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:32, Dale E Martin wrote: Maybe this is a good business opportunity for a group of Debian developers in a place such as the Netherlands, Germany, or the US. There is reasonable profit in hiring hosting space by the rack and renting it out by the 1U. Do have experience with this business model elsewhere? I believe in this area there is a lack of linux hosting in any form, let alone Debian. It's an interesting idea. Some time ago I got some pricing on the various hosting centers for a client. I noticed huge economies of scale for larger hosting which means significant profits if you buy in bulk and sell in small units. Then there's the issue of maintenance and support, which often isn't done properly. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
Hi Frode, We use the SWsoft Linux virtualization software. The vserver project looks interesting as well, but like you, I've only tried out UML. The major block for us not using UML is that UML servers have a hard limit on the amount of RAM available. Our solution is more flexible, and RAM is dynamically added according to resource needs. Glenn Oppegard Aktiom Networks LLC On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 05:18 PM, Frode Haugsgjerd wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 12:33:16PM -0600, Glenn Oppegard wrote: --snip Aktiom Networks LLC (www.aktiom.net) offers something similar to UserModeLinux, but better in my opinion ;-). You can get a Debian 3.0 GNU/Linux server starting at $60/month, running on beefy hardware. Please be aware that these are not dedicated linux servers; we have multiple client servers running on each physical machine. But, the servers and data are completely partitioned and secure from other clients. This is a nice alternative from the $100+ dedicated server options if you don't need that much power. If you have any questions, feel free to email me on the list or privately. Glenn Oppegard Aktiom Networks LLC I am curious about how you partition your big Dell machines. Was unable to find any details about it on your site. I guess vserver, wich seems to be more efficient than uml. But i have only tested uml my self, so i don't know. -- Frode Haugsgjerd Norway -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:56:08AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: Maybe this is a good business opportunity for a group of Debian developers in a place such as the Netherlands, Germany, or the US. There is reasonable profit in hiring hosting space by the rack and renting it out by the 1U. Interesting idea, at least I am hoping that I can find somewhere in the US (or anywhere where there's good bandwidth back to Australia) where I could potentially get a number of machines hosted with someone available in an emergency. -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia http://www.jabber.org.au/ - the next generation of Instant Messaging. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
hi, why don`t you choose germany for an co-location ? german connections are one of the best in global connectivity. our servers were hosted by GATEL / Frankfurt. you get your own debian box with an uplink 10/100/1000 whatever you need for an good price. our hoster is aixit.com they are professional and very competent with debian. mail your wishes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i am sure that they have an solution that fits your needs. best regards, sebastian Jeremy Lunn said: One of my clients is looking into hosting a server in the USA, since it costs much less than doing it here in Australia. The problem is that most hosting companies only tend to supply Red Hat. We'll need a machine with a very basic base install of Debian, obviously along with networking and ssh. Obviously we will also need operator staff available to reset the machine, should it be needed and do other minor tasks if something goes wrong. Has anyone had any experience with any hosting companies that provide such service? The level of support probably doesn't matter, as long as the basics are provided. They are currently looking at Candid Hosting (http://www.candidhosting.com/CGI/Dedicated.asp), however they only provide Red Hat and FreeBSD. So any plan would have to be equal to or better than the Candid $130/month deal. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia http://psi.sf.net/ - Jabber client for Linux/win32/MacOS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sebastian Mangelkramer IMAC - Information Management Consulting Blarerstraße 56, D-78462 Konstanz Tel. +49 (0)7531 - 90 39-42 Fax +49 (0)7531 - 90 39-47 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
Yes, Germany is in these days connected with best connections to various international backbones all over the world. If you choose a good connection here you can't expect the 500 GB for 1$-offers some companies in the US might give you - but who cares about cheap when: - server is done multiple times - connection is slow or unreachable - servers are cheap and maybe old - no data mirrored - data-loss I'd propose that you might want to take a look at SpeedPartner. They offer very good 24/7-service for reasonable prices, excellent reliability and offer Debian as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stefan On 15 Jul 2003 at 13:03, IMAC, Sebastian Mangelkramer wrote: why don`t you choose germany for an co-location ? german connections are one of the best in global connectivity. our servers were hosted by GATEL / Frankfurt. you get your own debian box with an uplink 10/100/1000 whatever you need for an good price. our hoster is aixit.com they are professional and very competent with debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
- Original Message - From: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeremy Lunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Debian Co-location in USA On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 01:27:04PM +1000, Jeremy Lunn wrote: The level of support probably doesn't matter, as long as the basics are provided. They are currently looking at Candid Hosting (http://www.candidhosting .com/CGI/Dedicated.asp), however they only provide Red Hat and FreeBSD. So any plan would have to be equal to or better than the Candid $130/month deal. you might want to be careful about candidhosting .com. this thread has been triggering my SpamAssassin rules...investigation shows that i have candidhosting .com listed in both my postfix access maps and my local SA rules (which means that i have been spammed from them in the past). searching on openrbl.org, google groups, and senderbase indicates that candidhosting are still an active spam source, with their very own SPEWS entry: http://spews.org/html/S339.html as with any RBL listing, take it with a grain of salt and do your own research. especially Spews listings... notorious for being out-of-date and such. Seem so many entries in Spews before that were non-existant, but I suppose that is what comes with running a manual, text-based list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Co-location in USA
hi, why don`t you choose germany for an co-location ? german connections are one of the best in global connectivity. our servers were hosted by GATEL / Frankfurt. you get your own debian box with an uplink 10/100/1000 whatever you need for an good price. our hoster is aixit.com they are professional and very competent with debian. mail your wishes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i am sure that they have an solution that fits your needs. best regards, sebastian Jeremy Lunn said: One of my clients is looking into hosting a server in the USA, since it costs much less than doing it here in Australia. The problem is that most hosting companies only tend to supply Red Hat. We'll need a machine with a very basic base install of Debian, obviously along with networking and ssh. Obviously we will also need operator staff available to reset the machine, should it be needed and do other minor tasks if something goes wrong. Has anyone had any experience with any hosting companies that provide such service? The level of support probably doesn't matter, as long as the basics are provided. They are currently looking at Candid Hosting (http://www.candidhosting.com/CGI/Dedicated.asp), however they only provide Red Hat and FreeBSD. So any plan would have to be equal to or better than the Candid $130/month deal. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia http://psi.sf.net/ - Jabber client for Linux/win32/MacOS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sebastian Mangelkramer IMAC - Information Management Consulting Blarerstraße 56, D-78462 Konstanz Tel. +49 (0)7531 - 90 39-42 Fax +49 (0)7531 - 90 39-47 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Co-location in USA
One of my clients is looking into hosting a server in the USA, since it costs much less than doing it here in Australia. The problem is that most hosting companies only tend to supply Red Hat. We'll need a machine with a very basic base install of Debian, obviously along with networking and ssh. Obviously we will also need operator staff available to reset the machine, should it be needed and do other minor tasks if something goes wrong. Has anyone had any experience with any hosting companies that provide such service? The level of support probably doesn't matter, as long as the basics are provided. They are currently looking at Candid Hosting (http://www.candidhosting.com/CGI/Dedicated.asp), however they only provide Red Hat and FreeBSD. So any plan would have to be equal to or better than the Candid $130/month deal. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia http://psi.sf.net/ - Jabber client for Linux/win32/MacOS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Co-location in USA
One of my clients is looking into hosting a server in the USA, since it costs much less than doing it here in Australia. The problem is that most hosting companies only tend to supply Red Hat. We'll need a machine with a very basic base install of Debian, obviously along with networking and ssh. Obviously we will also need operator staff available to reset the machine, should it be needed and do other minor tasks if something goes wrong. Has anyone had any experience with any hosting companies that provide such service? The level of support probably doesn't matter, as long as the basics are provided. They are currently looking at Candid Hosting (http://www.candidhosting.com/CGI/Dedicated.asp), however they only provide Red Hat and FreeBSD. So any plan would have to be equal to or better than the Candid $130/month deal. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia http://psi.sf.net/ - Jabber client for Linux/win32/MacOS.
