[pbraga@iportalmais.pt: Re: Ethernet Card recommendation]

2001-09-13 Thread Christofer Algotsson



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Subject: Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

I had a entire class room with D-Link DFE-530TX, based on VIA-Rhine chipset, two
years ago and what happened was they forget their MAC address
i.e., the machines stop responding and when I went to the room to see what was wrong,
the ifconfig command returned the mac like 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00!

amazing isn't it?

I just don't ever used again D-Links

Christofer Algotsson wrote:

> Of course I meant the DFE-570TX card.
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:55:00PM +0100, Gavin Hamill wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:16:24AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have about 5 dlinks i can hang with just a pingflood! I'll never buy
> > > > dlink nics again!
> > >
> > > We use the D-Link 530TX, it's a 4 port card based on the tulip chipset (21152
> > > to be exact) ... they've worked flawlessly for us in many different
> > > environments.
> >
> > Yes, the 570TX (I think it's 570 rather than 530) is an excellent
> > card, but I'd expect expect no less from a DEC-based chipset. :)
> >
> > I too have had awful problems with the D-Link cards based on the VIA
> > Rhine chipset.. random lockups (on Linux, NT4 and Win2000) .. very nasty
> > stuff :(
> >
> > Just reinforces why I don't trust VIA, and will never buy a Athlon so
> > long as VIA are producing the mobo chipsets for them ...
> >
> > gdh
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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-12 Thread Christofer Algotsson


Of course I meant the DFE-570TX card.


On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:55:00PM +0100, Gavin Hamill wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:16:24AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> > 
> > > I have about 5 dlinks i can hang with just a pingflood! I'll never buy
> > > dlink nics again!
> > 
> > We use the D-Link 530TX, it's a 4 port card based on the tulip chipset (21152
> > to be exact) ... they've worked flawlessly for us in many different
> > environments.
> 
> Yes, the 570TX (I think it's 570 rather than 530) is an excellent
> card, but I'd expect expect no less from a DEC-based chipset. :)
> 
> I too have had awful problems with the D-Link cards based on the VIA
> Rhine chipset.. random lockups (on Linux, NT4 and Win2000) .. very nasty
> stuff :(
> 
> Just reinforces why I don't trust VIA, and will never buy a Athlon so
> long as VIA are producing the mobo chipsets for them ...
> 
> gdh
> 
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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-12 Thread Fraser Campbell

Gavin Hamill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > We use the D-Link 530TX, it's a 4 port card based on the tulip chipset (21152
> > to be exact) ... they've worked flawlessly for us in many different
> > environments.
> 
> Yes, the 570TX (I think it's 570 rather than 530) is an excellent
> card, but I'd expect expect no less from a DEC-based chipset. :)

Right you are ... I should have learned by now not to rely on my memory!

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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-12 Thread Raghavendra Bhat

[Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:16:24AM -0400] Fraser Campbell :

> Frank Louwers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I have about 5 dlinks i can hang with just a pingflood! 
> > I'll never buy dlink nics again!
> 
> We use the D-Link 530TX
> they've worked flawlessly for us in many different environments.

Have  been using  a  couple of  D-Link  Digi-5500TX NICs.  They use  the
Davicom  chipset DM9102A  and are  buffered.   NIC cards  that have  Bus
Master mode are not so  easily hang-ed by ping-floods.  These particular
cards  are  cheap  and  are  very good/robust.   Opinion  based  on  low
performance of  a particular chip-set  should not be used  against other
products from a 'Particular Company' which use other chip-sets as well!!

It is  proven in  that you look  out for  NICs whose hardware  specs and
details have been opened up.  Anyway, Look before you Leap 

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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-12 Thread Gavin Hamill

On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:16:24AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> 
> > I have about 5 dlinks i can hang with just a pingflood! I'll never buy
> > dlink nics again!
> 
> We use the D-Link 530TX, it's a 4 port card based on the tulip chipset (21152
> to be exact) ... they've worked flawlessly for us in many different
> environments.

Yes, the 570TX (I think it's 570 rather than 530) is an excellent
card, but I'd expect expect no less from a DEC-based chipset. :)

I too have had awful problems with the D-Link cards based on the VIA
Rhine chipset.. random lockups (on Linux, NT4 and Win2000) .. very nasty
stuff :(

Just reinforces why I don't trust VIA, and will never buy a Athlon so
long as VIA are producing the mobo chipsets for them ...

gdh


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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-11 Thread Christofer Algotsson




On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:16:24AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> Frank Louwers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > > D-Link cant do constant load, they hang or just loose ability to talk to other
> > > hosts on the network.
> > 
> > I have about 5 dlinks i can hang with just a pingflood! I'll never buy
> > dlink nics again!
> 
> We use the D-Link 530TX, it's a 4 port card based on the tulip chipset (21152
> to be exact) ... they've worked flawlessly for us in many different
> environments.

There are bugs confirmed (and workarounds for windows(!)) for the D-Link 530TX.

The problem i had was that the card only could handle about 12Mbits on each
port (constant load) while the machine was acting router (or whatever i tried).

If you pingflodded the machine with simply a 'ping -f' my cards didnt hang,
however.. if you increased the packetsize to like 512bits then the card died.

Our company brought a dosen of those cards, all got the same buggy chipset..

go to http://www.deja.com/usenet and search for 'dfe-530tx bug'.

-Christofer



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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-11 Thread Fraser Campbell

Frank Louwers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > D-Link cant do constant load, they hang or just loose ability to talk to other
> > hosts on the network.
> 
> I have about 5 dlinks i can hang with just a pingflood! I'll never buy
> dlink nics again!

We use the D-Link 530TX, it's a 4 port card based on the tulip chipset (21152
to be exact) ... they've worked flawlessly for us in many different
environments.

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Re[2]: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-04 Thread Calvin Chong

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Hello Antonio,

With reference to your great message on below,
AR> I have the 3c* in the kernel (not as module), my 3c509b has pnp disabled (i
AR> did it using tjhe dos utility), but still the kernel does not recognize it!
AR> The only thing that I could think of is that the kernel image was created
AR> and installed when the pnp had not been disabled yet, but I am not sure it
AR> would influence the kernel image creation (i am not sure if the kernel image
AR> creation involves comparing options with running machine hardware).
AR> Any ideas? Thanks

I think you need PNP and ISAPNP enabled.. :-)

AR> - Original Message -
AR> From: "Craig Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AR> To: "Vasil Kolev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AR> Cc: "Jordi S . Bunster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AR> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:54 AM
AR> Subject: Re: Ethernet Card recommendation


>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 06:30:52PM +0300, Vasil Kolev wrote:
>> >
>> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Jordi S . Bunster wrote:
>> > > Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?
>> >
>> > I recommend 3com 3c905B or 3c905C cards - they work wonderful for me.
>>
>> i'll second that.
>>
>> excellent cards.
>>
>> craig
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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-04 Thread Antonio Rodriguez

I have the 3c* in the kernel (not as module), my 3c509b has pnp disabled (i
did it using tjhe dos utility), but still the kernel does not recognize it!
The only thing that I could think of is that the kernel image was created
and installed when the pnp had not been disabled yet, but I am not sure it
would influence the kernel image creation (i am not sure if the kernel image
creation involves comparing options with running machine hardware).
Any ideas? Thanks
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From: "Craig Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Cc: "Jordi S . Bunster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: Ethernet Card recommendation


> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 06:30:52PM +0300, Vasil Kolev wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Jordi S . Bunster wrote:
> > > Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?
> >
> > I recommend 3com 3c905B or 3c905C cards - they work wonderful for me.
>
> i'll second that.
>
> excellent cards.
>
> craig
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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-03 Thread Craig Sanders

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 06:30:52PM +0300, Vasil Kolev wrote:
>
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Jordi S . Bunster wrote:
> > Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?
>
> I recommend 3com 3c905B or 3c905C cards - they work wonderful for me.

i'll second that.

excellent cards.

craig

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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-02 Thread Frank Louwers

On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 05:05:18AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote:
> Don't dlinks use the rtl chipset?

Some new ones do, I heard. The ones that I can crash with a pingflood
are the second revision of the ones with the via-rhine chipset.

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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-02 Thread Jason Lim

Don't dlinks use the rtl chipset?

Sincerely,
Jason

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>
> > D-Link cant do constant load, they hang or just loose ability to talk
to other
> > hosts on the network.
>
> I have about 5 dlinks i can hang with just a pingflood! I'll never buy
> dlink nics again!
>
> Frank
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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-02 Thread Frank Louwers

 
> D-Link cant do constant load, they hang or just loose ability to talk to other
> hosts on the network.

I have about 5 dlinks i can hang with just a pingflood! I'll never buy
dlink nics again!

Frank


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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-09-02 Thread Christofer Algotsson


Hi.

This is just a matter of price.. The more you pay, the more you get.

3com 905-tx(nm) A-C series, works good in Linux however - you need mii-diag.c
in order to control Full-Duplex/Half-Duplex and linkspeed... (autoneg doesnt
always work properly).


Intel Etherexpress Pro (+ Server Adapter) works great and i havnt found Autoneg
issues, however -- this chip got lots of bugs in it, but the drivers have
workarounds.


D-Link cant do constant load, they hang or just loose ability to talk to other
hosts on the network.

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 > -Original Message-
 > From: Jordi S . Bunster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:36 AM
 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > Subject: Ethernet Card recommendation
 >
 >
 >
 > I've finally convinced my boss to buy new PCI Ethernet Cards. Can
 > someone give me a hint on what should I buy for using with a 2.2
 > kernel? I need two simultaneous cards, they're for my webserver.
 >
 > Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?


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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Mark Janssen

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:36:17AM -0300, Jordi S . Bunster wrote:
> I've finally convinced my boss to buy new PCI Ethernet Cards. Can
> Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?

I have to agree on the 3com's... I've never had problems with them so
far. I've also got some servers on rtl8139 and intel cards, and have had
the following problems with them:

rtl: Heavy traffic (sustained 6+ MB/sec will kill the card to the level
that you need to ifdown/unload module/load module/ifup)
We can get to this point within 30 minutes.

intel: When it works, it usually lasts forever, but it occasionally
doesn't work after booting a system, and the only solve is te reboot,
then it usually works. As soon as it works... no problems

Macronics (Tulip chipset) same problems as the rtl's... they go comatose
on heavy traffic.

We even had an increase in problems when we switched a load of 10/100
hubs to 10/100 switches, since the max load on the cards more then
doubled after this (about 3MB/s to 6+ MB/sec (bytes))

You pay a bit more for 3com... but it's worth the no-hassle :)
People time costs a lot more then one lousy nic ;)

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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Jeff Lee

These cards are great, use the DEC (now Intel) 21143 chip (and my company
just happens to sell them)

http://www.bwi.com/scripts/site/site_product.php3/id/337/

jeff

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> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:57:41AM -0400, Eric LeBlanc wrote:
> > No for me... many problem with switches/router Cisco and, it's
> > unbelievable, 3COM hub...
> 
> IIRC, 3Com hubs/switches don't use the same Ethernet chipset that the
> NICs do.  I'll have to get clarification from a friend who worked
> there ...
> 
> Personally I'm a fan of tulip cards but I don't think you can get the
> original DEC tulip anymore).
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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Nathan E Norman

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 06:33:06PM +0200, Frank Louwers wrote:
> If you decide to save money on cards, then go for the Realtec 813x based
> chipsets. The cards cheap (end-user price, INCLUDING 21% vat is about
> 15 EUR last time I checked.

If you plan pushing a lot of traffic, I can't recommend the rt8139 at
all ... the hardware design is cheap (you get what you pay for in this
case).

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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Nathan E Norman

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:57:41AM -0400, Eric LeBlanc wrote:
> No for me... many problem with switches/router Cisco and, it's
> unbelievable, 3COM hub...

IIRC, 3Com hubs/switches don't use the same Ethernet chipset that the
NICs do.  I'll have to get clarification from a friend who worked
there ...

Personally I'm a fan of tulip cards but I don't think you can get the
original DEC tulip anymore).

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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Vasil Kolev



On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Frank Louwers wrote:

> If you decide to go a little bit cheaper than the 3COM/Intel cards,
> then DON'T go for dlink. They used to make great medium-cheap cards
> with a lifetime warranty, but I've had nothing but problems with their
> 100Mbit cards!
>
> If you decide to save money on cards, then go for the Realtec 813x based
> chipsets. The cards cheap (end-user price, INCLUDING 21% vat is about
> 15 EUR last time I checked.
>
Some cooments ont 8139 cards: use the 8139too driver, and kernel like
2.2.19 or 2.4.x , x>4 ... The other driver had problems - one of the
interfaces started to receive one of 500 packets ( or so ), and tcpdump on
the interface fixed the things... (or ifconfig ethX promisc )


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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Frank Louwers

If you decide to go a little bit cheaper than the 3COM/Intel cards,
then DON'T go for dlink. They used to make great medium-cheap cards
with a lifetime warranty, but I've had nothing but problems with their
100Mbit cards!

If you decide to save money on cards, then go for the Realtec 813x based
chipsets. The cards cheap (end-user price, INCLUDING 21% vat is about
15 EUR last time I checked.

Frank 


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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Ingo Herz

At 18:30 31.08.01 +0300, Vasil Kolev wrote:

>I recommend 3com 3c905B or 3c905C cards - they work wonderful for me.

We use these too. They are working stable, but have one problem: sometimes
they don't get the link back if the switch (cisco 2924, set to 100/full) is
restarted or cable is reconnected. Kernel is 2.2.18.

greetings,
Ingo


>On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Jordi S . Bunster wrote:
>
> >
> > I've finally convinced my boss to buy new PCI Ethernet Cards. Can
> > someone give me a hint on what should I buy for using with a 2.2
> > kernel? I need two simultaneous cards, they're for my webserver.
> >
> > Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?
> >
> > -- Jordi





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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Joe Ellis

3com 900 series are good.  I haven't had any problems.

"Jordi S . Bunster" wrote:
> 
> I've finally convinced my boss to buy new PCI Ethernet Cards. Can
> someone give me a hint on what should I buy for using with a 2.2
> kernel? I need two simultaneous cards, they're for my webserver.
> 
> Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?
> 
> -- Jordi
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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Eric LeBlanc

No for me... many problem with switches/router Cisco and, it's
unbelievable, 3COM hub...

but, with IntelExpress PRO 10/100, number 1 !

I try 10 cards 3c905C... this cards sucks.

Eric

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Vasil Kolev wrote:

> I recommend 3com 3c905B or 3c905C cards - they work wonderful for me.
> 
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Jordi S . Bunster wrote:
> 
> >
> > I've finally convinced my boss to buy new PCI Ethernet Cards. Can
> > someone give me a hint on what should I buy for using with a 2.2
> > kernel? I need two simultaneous cards, they're for my webserver.
> >
> > Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?
> >
> > -- Jordi
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RE: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Andrew Kaplan

I have been using a bunch of 3C905. But this a religious question with no
CORRECT answers.

Andrew P. Kaplan
Network Administrator
CyberShore, Inc.
http://www.cshore.com

"I couldn't give him advice in business and he couldn't give me
advice in technology." --Linus Torvalds, about why he wouldn't
be interested in meeting Bill Gates.






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> I've finally convinced my boss to buy new PCI Ethernet Cards. Can
> someone give me a hint on what should I buy for using with a 2.2
> kernel? I need two simultaneous cards, they're for my webserver.
>
> Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?
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Re: Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Vasil Kolev

I recommend 3com 3c905B or 3c905C cards - they work wonderful for me.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Jordi S . Bunster wrote:

>
> I've finally convinced my boss to buy new PCI Ethernet Cards. Can
> someone give me a hint on what should I buy for using with a 2.2
> kernel? I need two simultaneous cards, they're for my webserver.
>
> Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?
>
> -- Jordi
>
>
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Ethernet Card recommendation

2001-08-31 Thread Jordi S . Bunster


I've finally convinced my boss to buy new PCI Ethernet Cards. Can
someone give me a hint on what should I buy for using with a 2.2
kernel? I need two simultaneous cards, they're for my webserver.

Are the 3COM a good choice? Which ones exactly?

-- Jordi


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