Re: German KK-applications and domain transfers

2003-05-26 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Lamy) [2003.05.24 15:41]:
 Cameron Moore wrote:
  This is a little off-topic, but I figure someone here has to 
  know this.
  
  A customer of mine is wanting to buy a domain from a German citizen.
  They tell me that the German told them to fill out a KK-application to
  get the domain transferred.  Can anyone tell me where to get more info
  on this KK-application (preferrably in English)?  My googling 
  has turned
  up nothing informative.
  
  Also, does anyone know if this is really necessary?  Can we not just
  request the tranfer with our Registrar and let the registrars 
  take care
  of the authentication and validation?  Thanks
 
 The procedure for .de domain transfers is:
snip/

First, thanks everyone for you replies.  From the list replies and the
private replies I've received, I think I have a clear understanding of
how this works now.  One thing I forgot to mention was that the domain
is a .ORG, which makes a big difference.

Anyway, as I said, thanks for your replies.  I think I can take care of
the transfer now.  Danke!
-- 
Cameron Moore
[ Whatever happened to preparations A through G? ]




Fw: German KK-applications and domain transfers

2003-05-24 Thread A
This is wrong.
Not the one who wants the domain have to fill up a KK, but the one who sells
it have to.
This KK-application have to be sent by the domainseller (admin-c) to the his
isp, so they (isp) know there will be someone other trying to order this
domain and they (isp) have to agree.
And yes, it is necessary. Elsewhere the actual isp - who is tech-c (i
think) - wont give this domain free.

More infos can be found at www.denic.de (english too).

Alexander Falger

thats it


 This is a little off-topic, but I figure someone here has to know this.

 A customer of mine is wanting to buy a domain from a German citizen.
 They tell me that the German told them to fill out a KK-application to
 get the domain transferred.  Can anyone tell me where to get more info
 on this KK-application (preferrably in English)?  My googling has turned
 up nothing informative.

 Also, does anyone know if this is really necessary?  Can we not just
 request the tranfer with our Registrar and let the registrars take care
 of the authentication and validation?  Thanks
 --
 Cameron Moore
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 \ accidentally walk through into another dimension. /


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Re: German KK-applications and domain transfers

2003-05-24 Thread Thomas Lamy
Cameron Moore wrote:
 
 This is a little off-topic, but I figure someone here has to 
 know this.
 
 A customer of mine is wanting to buy a domain from a German citizen.
 They tell me that the German told them to fill out a KK-application to
 get the domain transferred.  Can anyone tell me where to get more info
 on this KK-application (preferrably in English)?  My googling 
 has turned
 up nothing informative.
 
 Also, does anyone know if this is really necessary?  Can we not just
 request the tranfer with our Registrar and let the registrars 
 take care
 of the authentication and validation?  Thanks

The procedure for .de domain transfers is:

- the wannabe domain holder (or his registrar) instructs a DENIC member
(list on http://www.denic.de/doc/DENIC/mitglieder.en.shtml) to start a KK
for the domain in question, including new admin,tech and zone contacts and
at least two (already setup) authoritative name servers
- the current DENIC member gets a notification for that, and has to agree or
disagree (KK ACK or KK NACK) within some working days. It should only ACK if
it has a cancellation notice or clearance from their current customer (the
domain admin)
- if denic gets ACK, the domain is updated


So these steps are neccessary to transfer a .de domain:
(1) the current domain holder instructs the DENIC member which is currently
maintaining the domain that new maintaining DENIC member will issue an KK
and that they shoudl ack that
(2) you (or your registrar) set up at least two authoritative name servers
for the domain
(3) you request the transfer with your registrar (which, if not a DENIC
member, in turn requests it to a DENIC member)
(4) the current maintaining DENIC member will ACK (if [1] was ok)
(5) You're done (within ~1 week if everything goes fine)


Thomas




Re: German KK-applications and domain transfers

2003-05-24 Thread Jan Harders
problem that may come up is that denic (german domain registry) needs the
administrative contact to be someone in germany which throws some obstacles
at registering a domain from foreign countries without having a german
department or at least someone that will take care of the domain and give
his name to be responsible...

greets,

jan
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Subject: Re: German KK-applications and domain transfers


 Cameron Moore wrote:
 
  This is a little off-topic, but I figure someone here has to
  know this.
 
  A customer of mine is wanting to buy a domain from a German citizen.
  They tell me that the German told them to fill out a KK-application to
  get the domain transferred.  Can anyone tell me where to get more info
  on this KK-application (preferrably in English)?  My googling
  has turned
  up nothing informative.
 
  Also, does anyone know if this is really necessary?  Can we not just
  request the tranfer with our Registrar and let the registrars
  take care
  of the authentication and validation?  Thanks

 The procedure for .de domain transfers is:

 - the wannabe domain holder (or his registrar) instructs a DENIC member
 (list on http://www.denic.de/doc/DENIC/mitglieder.en.shtml) to start a KK
 for the domain in question, including new admin,tech and zone contacts and
 at least two (already setup) authoritative name servers
 - the current DENIC member gets a notification for that, and has to agree
or
 disagree (KK ACK or KK NACK) within some working days. It should only ACK
if
 it has a cancellation notice or clearance from their current customer (the
 domain admin)
 - if denic gets ACK, the domain is updated


 So these steps are neccessary to transfer a .de domain:
 (1) the current domain holder instructs the DENIC member which is
currently
 maintaining the domain that new maintaining DENIC member will issue an
KK
 and that they shoudl ack that
 (2) you (or your registrar) set up at least two authoritative name servers
 for the domain
 (3) you request the transfer with your registrar (which, if not a DENIC
 member, in turn requests it to a DENIC member)
 (4) the current maintaining DENIC member will ACK (if [1] was ok)
 (5) You're done (within ~1 week if everything goes fine)


 Thomas


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OT: German KK-applications and domain transfers

2003-05-23 Thread Cameron Moore
This is a little off-topic, but I figure someone here has to know this.

A customer of mine is wanting to buy a domain from a German citizen.
They tell me that the German told them to fill out a KK-application to
get the domain transferred.  Can anyone tell me where to get more info
on this KK-application (preferrably in English)?  My googling has turned
up nothing informative.

Also, does anyone know if this is really necessary?  Can we not just
request the tranfer with our Registrar and let the registrars take care
of the authentication and validation?  Thanks
-- 
Cameron Moore
/ I put tape on the mirrors in my house so I don't  \
\ accidentally walk through into another dimension. /




Re: OT: German KK-applications and domain transfers

2003-05-23 Thread Stefan Neufeind
On 23 May 2003 at 15:14, Cameron Moore wrote:

 A customer of mine is wanting to buy a domain from a German citizen.
 They tell me that the German told them to fill out a KK-application to
 get the domain transferred.  Can anyone tell me where to get more info
 on this KK-application (preferrably in English)?  My googling has
 turned up nothing informative.
 
 Also, does anyone know if this is really necessary?  Can we not just
 request the tranfer with our Registrar and let the registrars take
 care of the authentication and validation?

No, you normally fill out a KK form for transfering a domain to a new 
host. Changing the owner at the same time is normally to difficult. 
So I would propose:
Well the original owner (German) to change the owner to your customer 
(with address etc.) and then your client can initiate a transfer of 
the domain since he is the new owner.

The KK simply outlines please transfer domain kjahaskdh.de owned by 
me (Peter Paul Something), living at kjhkashdkjh currently 
connected to the DNS at XXX to the company YYY which will take over 
the domain in a few days. Send this form to the company currently 
servicing the DNS for that domain so that he knows to whom the domain 
will be transfered and that he will allow the transfer to take place. 
Then you can easily request the domain-transfer.


If you have further questions simply ask. Hope my explanations were 
not too difficult to figure out :-)
 Stefan