Re: How to not trigger auto-responders?

2003-06-18 Thread Mark Suter
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On 2003-06-12, Fraser Campbell wrote:

> How have you guys gotten around the autoresponder problem in
> the past?  Is there hope?

There are some very poorly written auto-responders out there and
nothing you do will stop them "working".  The best you can do is
keep your end in order:

* Ensure you remain silent in all expected cases (ala vacation)
* Get some statistical safeguard in-place (e.g. rate limiting)

Then try to deal with the offenders as best you can:

* contact postmaster@
* unsubscribe them

Yours sincerely,

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Re: How to not trigger auto-responders?

2003-06-18 Thread Mark Suter
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On 2003-06-12, Fraser Campbell wrote:

> How have you guys gotten around the autoresponder problem in
> the past?  Is there hope?

There are some very poorly written auto-responders out there and
nothing you do will stop them "working".  The best you can do is
keep your end in order:

* Ensure you remain silent in all expected cases (ala vacation)
* Get some statistical safeguard in-place (e.g. rate limiting)

Then try to deal with the offenders as best you can:

* contact postmaster@
* unsubscribe them

Yours sincerely,

- -- Mark Suter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | I have often regretted my
Miju Systems - http://www.miju.com.au/ | speech, never my silence.
mobile 0411 262 316 gnupg key 2C71D63D | Xenocrates (396-314 B.C.)
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How to not trigger auto-responders?

2003-06-13 Thread Fraser Campbell
Hi,

Autoresponders that I have setup before were based on procmail, they used the 
FROM_DAEMON check to not send responses to lists plus as a safety measure 
they'd only send one email to each sender per day.

I host a club's website that has about 5,000 members, there are mailings to 
members done through the site and unfortunately the members love 
autoresponders.   The site actually sends emails one-by-one to people and 
there are no headers to indicate that the email essentially from a mailing 
list.

I am thinking of adding a "Precedence: list" or "Precedence: bulk" header to 
the emails in the hope that at least some of these autoresponders have some 
smarts.  I know I can just send from an address that is aliased to /dev/null 
but I'd really like the emails to continue being sent from functional email 
addresses so that bounces and replies can be handled properly.

Looking at the headers from the autoresponders, some identify themselves, many 
do not.  I found "Internet Mail Service", Microsoft Exchange, OSM Client, and 
SMTP 32 vX.

How have you guys gotten around the autoresponder problem in the past?  Is 
there hope?

-- 
Fraser Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.wehave.net/
Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux




How to not trigger auto-responders?

2003-06-13 Thread Fraser Campbell
Hi,

Autoresponders that I have setup before were based on procmail, they used the 
FROM_DAEMON check to not send responses to lists plus as a safety measure 
they'd only send one email to each sender per day.

I host a club's website that has about 5,000 members, there are mailings to 
members done through the site and unfortunately the members love 
autoresponders.   The site actually sends emails one-by-one to people and 
there are no headers to indicate that the email essentially from a mailing 
list.

I am thinking of adding a "Precedence: list" or "Precedence: bulk" header to 
the emails in the hope that at least some of these autoresponders have some 
smarts.  I know I can just send from an address that is aliased to /dev/null 
but I'd really like the emails to continue being sent from functional email 
addresses so that bounces and replies can be handled properly.

Looking at the headers from the autoresponders, some identify themselves, many 
do not.  I found "Internet Mail Service", Microsoft Exchange, OSM Client, and 
SMTP 32 vX.

How have you guys gotten around the autoresponder problem in the past?  Is 
there hope?

-- 
Fraser Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.wehave.net/
Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux


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How to not trigger auto-responders?

2003-06-12 Thread Fraser Campbell
Hi,

Autoresponders that I have setup before were based on procmail, they used the 
FROM_DAEMON check to not send responses to lists plus as a safety measure 
they'd only send one email to each sender per day.

I host a club's website that has about 5,000 members, there are mailings to 
members done through the site and unfortunately the members love 
autoresponders.   The site actually sends emails one-by-one to people and 
there are no headers to indicate that the email essentially from a mailing 
list.

I am thinking of adding a "Precedence: list" or "Precedence: bulk" header to 
the emails in the hope that at least some of these autoresponders have some 
smarts.  I know I can just send from an address that is aliased to /dev/null 
but I'd really like the emails to continue being sent from functional email 
addresses so that bounces and replies can be handled properly.

Looking at the headers from the autoresponders, some identify themselves, many 
do not.  I found "Internet Mail Service", Microsoft Exchange, OSM Client, and 
SMTP 32 vX.

How have you guys gotten around the autoresponder problem in the past?  Is 
there hope?

-- 
Fraser Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.wehave.net/
Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux




How to not trigger auto-responders?

2003-06-12 Thread Fraser Campbell
Hi,

Autoresponders that I have setup before were based on procmail, they used the 
FROM_DAEMON check to not send responses to lists plus as a safety measure 
they'd only send one email to each sender per day.

I host a club's website that has about 5,000 members, there are mailings to 
members done through the site and unfortunately the members love 
autoresponders.   The site actually sends emails one-by-one to people and 
there are no headers to indicate that the email essentially from a mailing 
list.

I am thinking of adding a "Precedence: list" or "Precedence: bulk" header to 
the emails in the hope that at least some of these autoresponders have some 
smarts.  I know I can just send from an address that is aliased to /dev/null 
but I'd really like the emails to continue being sent from functional email 
addresses so that bounces and replies can be handled properly.

Looking at the headers from the autoresponders, some identify themselves, many 
do not.  I found "Internet Mail Service", Microsoft Exchange, OSM Client, and 
SMTP 32 vX.

How have you guys gotten around the autoresponder problem in the past?  Is 
there hope?

-- 
Fraser Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.wehave.net/
Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux


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